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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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People seem to always frame it as simping for Russia. Seems like the media has got everyone emotionally invested.

Didn't care about the 1.3 million deaths in Yemen did you? Did you even know it happened? Wheres the megathread?
Whataboutism is the lamest of all comebacks, just saying.

You can shit on Saudi Arabia for Yemen and Russia for Ukraine. Both suck immensely.

There will be lots to think about in this regard, however here are my two cents:

Dictatorships built on fear are not a place where open and honest self-reflection can take place across an organisation. Therefore, how can an organisation like their army or airforce learn from their mistakes - they can't even admit things aren't going to plan when the entire world can see, how can you expect it to happen throughout their military when speak against the grain gets you imprisoned.

How can their leaders make the right decisions if they are blinded by their own arrogance, shielded from reality to salve their egos?

Ukraine, on the other hand, despite its inferiority in terms of materiel has undergone an 8 year long process of aligning it's military more towards Western standards. The UK and US have had an extensive training mission, they have basically overhauled how they do business. Now they're inflicting horrible losses on the military of their neighbour which is deemed to be militarily superior. The equipment they are using is - in most instances - worse on paper than that of the Russians (except Comms equipment, rations... All the boring but vital stuff).

Point is, this lack of transparency, auditing, accountability, continuous improvement and training which is part of Western militaries - and probably derived somewhat from our political and personal lives and values - I think is the key difference.
There is actually a very simple reason why Russia seems to be making so many stupid mistakes in this war.

They fired the only guy that actually wanted to reform the army, Anatoliy Serdyukov, in 2012 and replaced him with Sergei Shoygu, who has an immense talent for kissing ass but sucks at basically everything else.

This is the result.
 
You're a liar. The Russians are demonstrably NOT doing that. There may be a few stray shells but the fact is that Russians are showing remarkable restraint.


You're doubly a liar. - If the Russians wanted to raze a city to the ground, they'd have no trouble doing so - look at Grozny for proof. In reality, the Russians are incurring unnecessary losses precisely because they are trying very hard to cause as little damage as possible to non-military infrastructure, as well as preserving civilian lives.
Stop lying, nigger.
You can look at Kharkiv right now and see that you are full of shit.
 
You can shit on Saudi Arabia for Yemen and Russia for Ukraine. Both suck immensely.
But we don't. We shit on Russia, and maybe make a passing comment about Arabia, or the time US gassed civilians in Iraq, or whatever. It's important to put Russia's horrible actions in context of other similar events.
 
But we don't. We shit on Russia, and maybe make a passing comment about Arabia, or the time US gassed civilians in Iraq, or whatever. It's important to put Russia's horrible actions in context of other similar events.
But that's not what people here are doing, they are simply deflecting from Russia's attack with "b-b-but muh Saudi Arabia".

Fuck, you can even apply the logic people use to defend Russia here to Yemen as well considering that the Houthis aren't exactly saints either. Doesn't justify the Saudis not does it justify Russians.
 
But that's not what people here are doing, they are simply deflecting from Russia's attack with "b-b-but muh Saudi Arabia".
Then, I fear, you entirely missed the point.
Doesn't justify the Saudis not does it justify Russians.
Again, you missed the point. It's not about proving Russia to be innocent, or the good guys, or whatever. It's about putting their actions in context. When you do, many of the things Russians do in this war become less shocking, because you realise they are just using standard warfare (if at much poorer level than the west), same as the west does.
 
You can look at Kharkiv right now and see that you are full of shit.
No I can't, and neither can you. What you can see is some carefully selected propaganda from Ukrainian propagandists.
Also, bad things happen in war, and no-one has claimed they don't.

As for the hilarious lies being spruiked by the Ukrainian Government, well...
 
What's been especially surprising to me is the extent of this overestimation. If the reports about things like Russian soldiers not knowing where to go, or not even having been given basic objectives are true, then that more or less means that the entirety of the Russian military command needs to be tossed. I wonder if this clusterfuck can be attributed to the military brass simply keeping Putin in the dark as to their combat readiness, or if everyone including Putin just thought it was a matter of throwing enough people at it.

But I'm glad you brought up their historical results, as it made me realize that I had this idea in my head about Putin being super-capable...and I can't come up with any reason for why I thought that. It also brings to mind this article about people's perception of Xi Jinping.
This is how Putin expected Ukrainians to greet invaders liberators:
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I'm not even exaggerating, it's what Russian propaganda was spouting at some point
 
Polls showing even Republicans want more done on Ukraine than Dems. So the idea that Republicans are now the anti-war party that wouldn't dare want to send over soldiers to do anything may be a bit far fetched.

Honestly had a weird experience with a relative the other day who couldn't believe me when I said some on Fox had people on basically wanting to give Putin everything he wanted and have Ukraine surrender. Then I played a video clip of a guy saying just as much and my relative was completely baffled, they seemed even more confused when I pointed out the person was then a guest on Tucker Carlson's show. Which feels significant because a lot of right wing people online seem to think because Tucker speaks in indirect language that the US shouldn't do anything to help Ukraine that it means it's a popular sentiment amongst everyone on the right.


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Really hard to say without knowing which steps they want to be taken, banning the import of Russian oil and making Ukraine a no-fly zone are two steps that America has yet to do but are very different ones with very different outcomes.
 
No I can't, and neither can you. What you can see is some carefully selected propaganda from Ukrainian propagandists.
Also, bad things happen in war, and no-one has claimed they don't.

As for the hilarious lies being spruiked by the Ukrainian Government, well...
Dude, there's being stubborn and then there's being flat-out retarded.

And if you're citing Vox Day, good old Teddy Spaghetti, among the Lolcowliest of Lolcows, I dunno what to tell you. Because for one, the Russian advance clearly isn't moving faster or is comparable to Desert Storm, the Six-Day War or Operation Barbarossa seeing as they've been stuck trying to take the same 5-6 cities for around a week now and for two, Teddy is also unaware that Russia isn't saving their best troops but in fact also throwing them into the meat grinder. The casualties are clearly inflated, which any idiot could tell you, but Teddy is also clearly lowballing them because we have enough visual evidence of destroyed Russian equipment to put the number well over the ~3000 number that he claims.
 
Polls showing even Republicans want more done on Ukraine than Dems. So the idea that Republicans are now the anti-war party that wouldn't dare want to send over soldiers to do anything may be a bit far fetched.

Honestly had a weird experience with a relative the other day who couldn't believe me when I said some on Fox had people on basically wanting to give Putin everything he wanted and have Ukraine surrender. Then I played a video clip of a guy saying just as much and my relative was completely baffled, they seemed even more confused when I pointed out the person was then a guest on Tucker Carlson's show. Which feels significant because a lot of right wing people online seem to think because Tucker speaks in indirect language that the US shouldn't do anything to help Ukraine that it means it's a popular sentiment amongst everyone on the right.


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Surprised that Republican is even more gung-ho than the Democrats on this. And about your experience, Fox News is always like that. They're amplifying the agenda that they and their sponsor wanted to instead of what the bottom line Republicans believe. By bombarding it, other media will inevitably picked that up and influence the common people. Interesting however, is your observation about the online right winger. That sounds like an echo chamber or a bubble to me. Are we going to see a split in the GOP soon?
But I'm glad you brought up their historical results, as it made me realize that I had this idea in my head about Putin being super-capable...and I can't come up with any reason for why I thought that. It also brings to mind this article about people's perception of Xi Jinping.
That's the thing about strongman politicians, they worked in a "personal myth" and "cult of personality". They always try to portray themselves as this badass of a person, and influenced us both consciously and subconsciously. Remember all those pics, videos, and memes about Putin being badass judoka, wild guy, or genius strategist? That's part of his "personal myth"
There will be lots to think about in this regard, however here are my two cents:

Dictatorships built on fear are not a place where open and honest self-reflection can take place across an organisation. Therefore, how can an organisation like their army or airforce learn from their mistakes - they can't even admit things aren't going to plan when the entire world can see, how can you expect it to happen throughout their military when speak against the grain gets you imprisoned.

How can their leaders make the right decisions if they are blinded by their own arrogance, shielded from reality to salve their egos?

Ukraine, on the other hand, despite its inferiority in terms of materiel has undergone an 8 year long process of aligning it's military more towards Western standards. The UK and US have had an extensive training mission, they have basically overhauled how they do business. Now they're inflicting horrible losses on the military of their neighbour which is deemed to be militarily superior. The equipment they are using is - in most instances - worse on paper than that of the Russians (except Comms equipment, rations... All the boring but vital stuff).

Point is, this lack of transparency, auditing, accountability, continuous improvement and training which is part of Western militaries - and probably derived somewhat from our political and personal lives and values - I think is the key difference.
This is the most dangerous thing to a strongman politicians. If you only surrounded yourself with people who said they believe in your lies, you're bound to believe in that as well and started not thinking seriously. I wonder if this war will be a wake up call for all those strongman politicians and leaders who surrounded themselves only with ass-kissers and yesmen


Interesting video I found, and its only a day's old as well. Are we going to see the Russian people starting to question the war as the news about death started trickling in? @Astro Galactic Megalul, you said you live in Russia, right? Are there other incidents like this happened elsewhere?
 

UK to announce plans to reduce Russian oil and gas use at 1600 GMT -report​


The British government will make an announcement around 1600 GMT on Tuesday about how it intends to reduce Russian oil and gas imports over time, Politico reporter Alex Wickham said on Twitter.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Monday that the world could not simply stop using oil and gas from Russia but it could accelerate the transition away from it.

U.S. President Joe Biden is expected to announce a ban on Russian oil in remarks at 10:45 a.m. (1545 GMT) on Tuesday, sources familiar with the matter said

Brazil won't take sides over Russia's invasion of Ukraine - foreign minister​


Brazil will not take sides over Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Foreign Minister Carlos Franca said on Tuesday, adding its stance was one of "impartiality", not "indifference", and that it sought peace.

The invasion has triggered one of the fastest refugees crises of modern times, the United Nations says, with more than two million Ukrainians, mostly women and children, fleeing in just 13 days into the European Union to escape Russia's shelling and bombardment of cities and towns.

"Brazil's position is clear... We are on the side of world peace," Franca told a news conference in Lisbon when asked if he condemned the invasion. "We think we can reach that (peace)... by helping to find a way out (of the war), not by taking sides."

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, who visited Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow shortly before the invasion, angered Western allies by saying he was "in solidarity with Russia" without elaborating.

Bolsonaro, a far-right populist, has also noted that Russian fertilizers are crucial for Brazil's giant agribusiness sector.

Last month he scolded his Vice President Hamilton Mourao for condemning Russia's invasion and said that in Brazil only the president could speak about a crisis in eastern Europe.


U.S. expected to announce ban on Russian oil as soon as today​


  • The U.S. is expected to announce as early as today that it will ban imports of Russian oil.
  • The White House updated President Joe Biden’s schedule for the day to include an announcement of additional steps the U.S. will take to “hold Russia accountable for its unprovoked and unjustified war on Ukraine.”
  • Biden will deliver those remarks from the White House at 10:45 a.m. ET.
The U.S. is expected to announce as early as Tuesday that it will ban imports of Russian oil, a move that would cut about 8% of America’s annual supply.

The news of the upcoming announcement, confirmed to CNBC by a person familiar with the matter, sent oil markets soaring.

WTI crude oil jumped 4.5% to session highs of above $124 a barrel following reports of the forthcoming ban. Brent crude oil, the international benchmark, jumped nearly 5% to near $129 a barrel.

The move is set to come as the international community works to heap as much economic punishment as possible on Russia in retaliation against its invasion of Ukraine. There was no indication on Tuesday morning that other nations would join the U.S. in banning Russian oil imports.

The White House and the Department of Energy did not immediately respond to requests for comment. But the White House updated President Joe Biden’s daily schedule Tuesday morning to include an announcement of new U.S. actions intended to “hold Russia accountable for its unprovoked and unjustified war on Ukraine.”

Biden will deliver those remarks from the White House at 10:45 a.m. ET, the updated schedule said.

The U.S. imported about 672,000 barrels a day from Russia in 2021, according to figures from the Energy Information Administration. That amount comprises roughly 8% of the total U.S. import of oil and refined products.

Most of the country’s crude oil and petroleum imports come from Canada, Mexico and Saudi Arabia, making the U.S. far less dependent on Russian oil than many of its European partners.

 

Brazil won't take sides over Russia's invasion of Ukraine - foreign minister​


Brazil will not take sides over Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Foreign Minister Carlos Franca said on Tuesday, adding its stance was one of "impartiality", not "indifference", and that it sought peace.

The invasion has triggered one of the fastest refugees crises of modern times, the United Nations says, with more than two million Ukrainians, mostly women and children, fleeing in just 13 days into the European Union to escape Russia's shelling and bombardment of cities and towns.

"Brazil's position is clear... We are on the side of world peace," Franca told a news conference in Lisbon when asked if he condemned the invasion. "We think we can reach that (peace)... by helping to find a way out (of the war), not by taking sides."

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, who visited Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow shortly before the invasion, angered Western allies by saying he was "in solidarity with Russia" without elaborating.

Bolsonaro, a far-right populist, has also noted that Russian fertilizers are crucial for Brazil's giant agribusiness sector.

Last month he scolded his Vice President Hamilton Mourao for condemning Russia's invasion and said that in Brazil only the president could speak about a crisis in eastern Europe.

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Funny how this makes Brazil more neutral than the Switz
 

UK to announce plans to reduce Russian oil and gas use at 1600 GMT -report​


The British government will make an announcement around 1600 GMT on Tuesday about how it intends to reduce Russian oil and gas imports over time, Politico reporter Alex Wickham said on Twitter.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Monday that the world could not simply stop using oil and gas from Russia but it could accelerate the transition away from it.

U.S. President Joe Biden is expected to announce a ban on Russian oil in remarks at 10:45 a.m. (1545 GMT) on Tuesday, sources familiar with the matter said

Brazil won't take sides over Russia's invasion of Ukraine - foreign minister​


Brazil will not take sides over Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Foreign Minister Carlos Franca said on Tuesday, adding its stance was one of "impartiality", not "indifference", and that it sought peace.

The invasion has triggered one of the fastest refugees crises of modern times, the United Nations says, with more than two million Ukrainians, mostly women and children, fleeing in just 13 days into the European Union to escape Russia's shelling and bombardment of cities and towns.

"Brazil's position is clear... We are on the side of world peace," Franca told a news conference in Lisbon when asked if he condemned the invasion. "We think we can reach that (peace)... by helping to find a way out (of the war), not by taking sides."

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, who visited Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow shortly before the invasion, angered Western allies by saying he was "in solidarity with Russia" without elaborating.

Bolsonaro, a far-right populist, has also noted that Russian fertilizers are crucial for Brazil's giant agribusiness sector.

Last month he scolded his Vice President Hamilton Mourao for condemning Russia's invasion and said that in Brazil only the president could speak about a crisis in eastern Europe.


U.S. expected to announce ban on Russian oil as soon as today​


  • The U.S. is expected to announce as early as today that it will ban imports of Russian oil.
  • The White House updated President Joe Biden’s schedule for the day to include an announcement of additional steps the U.S. will take to “hold Russia accountable for its unprovoked and unjustified war on Ukraine.”
  • Biden will deliver those remarks from the White House at 10:45 a.m. ET.
The U.S. is expected to announce as early as Tuesday that it will ban imports of Russian oil, a move that would cut about 8% of America’s annual supply.

The news of the upcoming announcement, confirmed to CNBC by a person familiar with the matter, sent oil markets soaring.

WTI crude oil jumped 4.5% to session highs of above $124 a barrel following reports of the forthcoming ban. Brent crude oil, the international benchmark, jumped nearly 5% to near $129 a barrel.

The move is set to come as the international community works to heap as much economic punishment as possible on Russia in retaliation against its invasion of Ukraine. There was no indication on Tuesday morning that other nations would join the U.S. in banning Russian oil imports.

The White House and the Department of Energy did not immediately respond to requests for comment. But the White House updated President Joe Biden’s daily schedule Tuesday morning to include an announcement of new U.S. actions intended to “hold Russia accountable for its unprovoked and unjustified war on Ukraine.”

Biden will deliver those remarks from the White House at 10:45 a.m. ET, the updated schedule said.

The U.S. imported about 672,000 barrels a day from Russia in 2021, according to figures from the Energy Information Administration. That amount comprises roughly 8% of the total U.S. import of oil and refined products.

Most of the country’s crude oil and petroleum imports come from Canada, Mexico and Saudi Arabia, making the U.S. far less dependent on Russian oil than many of its European partners.

Great...gas prices in Idaho will hit $5.00 a gallon. At least it's not like California where it will probably reach $7.
 
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U.S. expected to announce ban on Russian oil as soon as today
Stopping oil imports is basically the last punitive action the US and others have against Russia, its a big fucking gamble that can backfire domestically.
And if it doesn't stop Russia, what the fuck is left?

One of the most frustrating things is that the US isn't giving any room for Russia to save face, many countries including the US will keep sanctions even if Russia pulled out today.
The severity of these sanctions will most likely make Russia double down because they are already financially fucked anyway, why not bomb Ukraine and possibly the west into oblivion?
 
Surprised that Republican is even more gung-ho than the Democrats on this. And about your experience, Fox News is always like that. They're amplifying the agenda that they and their sponsor wanted to instead of what the bottom line Republicans believe. By bombarding it, other media will inevitably picked that up and influence the common people. Interesting however, is your observation about the online right winger. That sounds like an echo chamber or a bubble to me. Are we going to see a split in the GOP soon?

That's the thing about strongman politicians, they worked in a "personal myth" and "cult of personality". They always try to portray themselves as this badass of a person, and influenced us both consciously and subconsciously. Remember all those pics, videos, and memes about Putin being badass judoka, wild guy, or genius strategist? That's part of his "personal myth"

This is the most dangerous thing to a strongman politicians. If you only surrounded yourself with people who said they believe in your lies, you're bound to believe in that as well and started not thinking seriously. I wonder if this war will be a wake up call for all those strongman politicians and leaders who surrounded themselves only with ass-kissers and yesmen

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Interesting video I found, and its only a day's old as well. Are we going to see the Russian people starting to question the war as the news about death started trickling in? @Astro Galactic Megalul, you said you live in Russia, right? Are there other incidents like this happened elsewhere?
Likely, but there's so much happening that it's easy to miss. I would at least hope that all the mothers whose sons were captured by Ukrainians and got to call home, would cause a ruckus demanding authorities do something to ensure their safe return.
If anyone can get away with "rocking the boat", it's the mothers of soldiers. Due to entrusting lives of their sons to the government, they hold a special status that allows them to ask these sorts of questions.

Otherwise, the programming holds. It's pretty much impossible to change the minds of people who worship Putin. They just disregard all the evidence of war as untrue if you show them, because "they say differently on TV", or go "if they're doing that then it's needed".
Honestly, it's rather horrifying living among them.
 
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