Megathread TERFs / Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists / Gender Critical Feminists - ft. r/GenderCritical & related reddits, Mancheeze, Cathy Brennan, GCDad, RadFHarva, Jamie Shupe, etc; "Gender Critical Feminism is Homophobic" - Cathy Brennan, 2019.

[chimpburgers]

A tough 2nd wave feminist like Mancheeze is actually kinder to (most) men than to idiot 3rd wave women, it must be said. Jenny McDermott, skitzocow and Barney Fife of the Feminist Police Squad, took her on and ended up firing her one bullet into her own foot.

Jenny is a champion blocker who then sneaks over to see what the blocked ones are posting so she can run back to her tweet stream and scream "block block block" all over again. But Mancheeze? She kicks the door shut and that's that. How dare she?

And yet, somehow Mancheeze didn't take it as a compliment from Jenny-I-come-to-raid-your-followers. Well, poopies, can't have a tweet war with someone who's blocked you as in is actually ignoring you.

So Jenny goes after the poor, abused, possibly suicidal because dead named transwoman to get the drama going:

So now knowing that she accused Mancheeze of doing something that Mancheeze didn't do and having made the accusation with all the fanfare Jenny-of-under-1500-followers can muster...

Jenny watchers know this was a rare, historic event: Admitted she was wrong and apologized.

There's just one thing... As miffed as she was to have been blocked, she happily tweeted this yesterday:

That's exactly who Mancheeze was referring to in that video I posted kinda near the end of that long video I had to sit through and what the whole dead naming thing was about. It's amazing how much these fucking people overlap with each other and have these petty feuds and autistic slap fights with each other. It's a common theme with Mancheeze and the other feminists that she has attacked before, mostly male feminists. Almost reminds me of tumblr. They are pretty much all connected to each other in some way. Thanks for the post. BTW, Buntzums and Robert are also this woman's asspatters too.

Now I'm really thinking about just giving Mancheeze her own thread but I still don't know if that will work or not.

 

[Trash Tier Waifu]

Mancheeze mostly seems to chew rocks and spit gravel rather than chimp and flounce, but maybe I've missed her lolcow-ier moments.

 

[chimpburgers]

Mancheeze mostly seems to chew rocks and spit gravel rather than chimp and flounce, but maybe I've missed her lolcow-ier moments.

I think a lot of the crazy stuff is in her own random comments and blog posts in themselves. I couldn't stop laughing at the Feminist Tube comment. She has also defended George Zimmerman in the past, another reason that a lot of people think she's racist. She's just not a very pleasant individual to have a run in with and there are countless videos on YouTube of people trying to debunk her and all this shit and she's been around for many years.

 

[Cave]

There are feminists who don't like TERFs like Diana Boston. She has an iffy reputation even in that community on YouTube, but has been seen commenting more in those circles again. Just a warning, the video's kinda long but also goes into some of the other shit she's done in the past and shows more of her comments.

Her article on him.

https://mancheeze.wordpress.com/201...ale-feminist-captainandy-vs-aboriginal-women/

The Mancheeze Feminism Purity Test:

Past comments:

https://plus.google.com/112727434921158900403/posts

I read this article and have run into a lot of problems.

She completely misinterprets Andy's point. How are little girls groomed by pornography? Pornography isn't forced on people in most societies. It isn't a norm for families to, at some point, subject their children to acts of sex to brainwash them. This point is ridiculous. Both men and women find out about sex at varying times. Some find out very young; some find out when they're older; some don't find out at all. Boys who discover porn are just as influenced by its stereotypes as girls are: it's not targeted to make women become subservient. That's lunacy.

Andy mentions the fact that not all prostitutes are women because it's true. I'm not sure, but I'm going to assume that she's suggesting that this grooming process forces women to become subservient, and one of the ways in which this is expressed is prostitution. The very existence of male prostitution belittles this entire line of reasoning because that must mean that this brainwashing process is bullshit or that boys are subjected to the same brainwashing. Either way, her point is fucked.

Selling sex is not inherently wrong. It's wrong once people are forced to do it. It's also not wrong to make shoes in a factory. It's wrong when you're forced to make shoes, aren't allowed breaks, can't work anywhere else and are punished at the drop of a hat. It's the same idea as the prostitution industry.

How is Andy advocating for enslaving women? He's actively against it if you read the picture she posts in the article.

"CaptainAndy thinks if he gives you a couple dollars or a hamburger it’s totally ok to use and abuse you for sex."

When did he say this? First off: it isn't abuse if they choose to work in that industry. He's advocating for taking the industry out of the hands of people who will enslave and force people to have sex. So, you're giving people a 'few' dollars to fuck them because they're allowing you to.

"Doesn’t matter that you’re impoverished, drug addicted, or have mental health issues. It doesn’t matter that women are the majority of the world’s poor and their basic survival needs are what’s putting them in the inferior position. Nope. Once you give women a hamburger so they can eat, you can get sex . Getting paid makes all the harms of being prostituted go away. She loves it. She wants it."

What does this have to do with anything? I'd like to see some statistics on this proposition that most of the world's poor are women. He never said that prostitution is a good industry. He just said that if people choose to become prostitutes, then it shouldn't be a demonized institution. Now, whether they're forced to do it because of a lack of opportunity, that's a completely separate argument. That has very little to do with sexism or even the man or woman paying for the service, and more about classism and other kinds of discrimination.

"It’s kinda the same argument people make about sweatshops. Hey, take the impoverished and give them a dollar a day while they slave away and die. NO PROBLEM!"

This is a strawman. It's not relevant or close to Andy's original point. When did Andy say that giving prostitutes a couple of dollars is the right thing? I think it'd be much more than that. No one is saying that sweatshops underpaying workers is good. In fact, the majority of people, and I believe Andy, would agree that it is wrong to underpay workers.

Hell, Andy even fucking mentions providing prostitutes with insurance, sick leave, medical care, etc. like it's a fucking job. That's because he's trying to say it is.

After that, the article becomes incomprehensible. The two articles she posted in order to prove how victims are groomed by pornography weren't all that relevant to Andy's points in the slightest. And while it is a shame that there is such a thing as the sex trafficking industry, I hardly see how that is Andy's fault or the fault of all men.

EDIT: this stupid fuck
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...orina/carly-fiorina-70-worlds-poor-are-women/

 

[AnOminous]

It was just an accepted part of feminism, until trans-girls started muscling in. I think a lot of their bitterness now is the fact that women are told to shut up by transwomen.

In a way it's hilarious to see penis bearers muscle in and act like men and tell them to shut the fuck up because they're even more oppressed.

 

[DrJonesHat]

There needs to be a new term for people who think men and women are equal, because feminist has been tainted by these wackos.

 

[chimpburgers]

There needs to be a new term for people who think men and women are equal, because feminist has been tainted by these wackos.

There are other terms like humanist and egalitarian, but I feel that even those have baggage associated with them for different reasons. Part of the other problem is not knowing what a true feminist is with all these interpretations of it out there and these kinds of loons who associate themselves with it.

 

[Dismaying Tree]

There needs to be a new term for people who think men and women are equal, because feminist has been tainted by these wackos.

There are other terms like humanist and egalitarian, but I feel that even those have baggage associated with them for different reasons. Part of the other problem is not knowing what a true feminist is with all these interpretations of it out there and these kinds of loons who associate themselves with it.

No matter how good an ideological movement starts out as, there are always going to be people that take it to the extreme and completely bastardize it. I don't think there's ever going to be a movement for equality that is completely free of extremists and crazies, but jumping ship to one that is less plagued than feminism would be good in the long run.

Spoiler: bit off topic

There's problems with the egalitarian and humanist movements now? God damn, you can't trust anything. First time I'm hearing of that.

 

[Cave]

No matter how good an ideological movement starts out as, there are always going to be people that take it to the extreme and completely bastardize it. I don't think there's ever going to be a movement for equality that is completely free of extremists and crazies, but jumping ship to one that is less plagued than feminism would be good in the long run.

Spoiler: bit off topic

There's problems with the egalitarian and humanist movements now? God damn, you can't trust anything. First time I'm hearing of that.

This is an excellent point you make. This same argument can be applied to economic systems. These people are infamous for bitching about capitalism. They act as though the system itself is bad and forget that any and every system is susceptible to manipulation and abuse. This is how humans function. An initial few (or many) have a great idea and form a movement. Over the years, that original idea or doctrine is misinterpreted or abused, often for reasons like self-interest and delusions of grandeur.

 

[Abethedemon]

This thread needs some Z Budapest
http://zbudapest.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zsuzsanna_Budapest
She's a wiccan that founded a coven named after Susan B. Anthony, because when I think of witchcraft, I think of Susan B. Anthony.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/betwee...rom-the-shadows-transphobia-is-anti-feminist/
This article goes into how she excluded transgender women from her rituals at different conventions.

 

[chimpburgers]

This thread needs some Z Budapest
http://zbudapest.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zsuzsanna_Budapest
She's a wiccan that founded a coven named after Susan B. Anthony, because when I think of witchcraft, I think of Susan B. Anthony.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/betwee...rom-the-shadows-transphobia-is-anti-feminist/
This article goes into how she excluded transgender women from her rituals at different conventions.

Good find. She sounds nuts. I want to find some more of these TERFs to talk about. I feel all the ones that have been talked about are all pretty out of their mind already.

 

[Reddit Avenger]

I swear to god a small part of my soul dies whenever I hear people seriously use the phrase 'dead name'd". It's seriously like the most melodramatic sounding shit I've ever heard.

 

[Cave]

Another odd thing is their fascination with false tautologies. Their perception of the world can only fit if all men are sexist. For my part, I think it's a few rich and powerful people that pull the strings. This ruling class hates everyone, not just women. They hate anyone who isn't one of the elite, and even then, I bet they all hate each other in a sort of colonial way where monetary imperialism is pure dog-eat-dog.

 

[chimpburgers]

Another odd thing is their fascination with false tautologies. Their perception of the world can only fit if all men are sexist. For my part, I think it's a few rich and powerful people that pull the strings. This ruling class hates everyone, not just women. They hate anyone who isn't one of the elite, and even then, I bet they all hate each other in a sort of colonial way where monetary imperialism is pure dog-eat-dog.

I like to call that an oligarchy. I do see how an idea like patriarchy might explain certain things about why things are the way they are and can be part of it depending on how you look at the issue, but you shouldn't try to twist every single fact into that framework.

There's another fact about Diana that I didn't mention before. She claims to have also read a lot of actual feminist theory if you can believe that she's intelligent enough to even know how to read.

 

[Cave]

I like to call that an oligarchy. I do see how an idea like patriarchy might explain certain things about why things are the way they are and can be part of it depending on how you look at the issue, but you shouldn't try to twist every single fact into that framework.

There's another fact about Diana that I didn't mention before. She claims to have also read a lot of actual feminist theory if you can believe that she's intelligent enough to even know how to read.

I think it's possibly because rich men have sons with specific intent for a kind of hereditary succession. It could also be leftover baggage from the cringe that was most of civilized history. Then again, a lot of this is possible wishful thinking. It's more than likely discrimination based more on class, but I'm sure there are some people with some authority that think dumb shit about women. It just isn't as bad as some of these people would have you think.

An oligarchy would definitely explain the existence of secret societies and other similar 'eyes-wide-shut' fuck-dungeons.

And lol on that final point. If by feminist theory, she means miscellaneous and supremely disingenuous Tumblr posts, then I believe her. If she means actual substantive work like conflict theories, Mary Wollstonecraft and Sojourner Truth, then no, I don't believe that shit.

 

[niggers]

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i only read that first line out of all that shit and i was like "yeah, imagine how crazy if rape-paranoia got to the point where you just jailed everyone who made you uncomfortable". it reads like strawman - everyone who makes me feel bad should die. serious cognitive dissonance when paragraph two rolls around and i realized this was at least attemepting to be genuine (although i think it's some chick with a fetish, honestly)

most of the time terfs have my sympathy though. if a bunch of goblin troglodytes started demanding that they be treated like women apropos of nothing while whining about how not having sex with them is bigotry, i'd be pretty venomous about it. ftm transsexuals are usually way more tolerable/less embarassing (prolly because they don't have the sad, desperate quality) and men overall couldn't really give a shit, so there's not really a complimentary perspective from dudes.

 

[Treblinkachu]

My pet theory is that these women are the female version of closeted crossdresser tranny perverts. Instead of just admitting that they desperately wish they had a penis, or even running around in fetishy men's clothes on weekends, they choose to hate men for having penises and loathe men who wear dresses because it reminds them of what they can never be: a woman with a penis.

This is probably all pseudoscience but I'm sure it will turn out that there's at least one of them whose issues stem from exactly what I just said, because the internet is full of surprises.

 

[chimpburgers]

My pet theory is that these women are the female version of closeted crossdresser tranny perverts. Instead of just admitting that they desperately wish they had a penis, or even running around in fetishy men's clothes on weekends, they choose to hate men for having penises and loathe men who wear dresses because it reminds them of what they can never be: a woman with a penis.

This is probably all pseudoscience but I'm sure it will turn out that there's at least one of them whose issues stem from exactly what I just said, because the internet is full of surprises.

I'm inclined to believe that a lot. It's like the case of the most vocal of the bunch who had rabid homophobia and look how many turned out to be fucking gay or get caught some gay sex sting.

 

[Treblinkachu]

I'm inclined to believe that a lot. It's like the case of the most vocal of the bunch who had rabid homophobia and look how many turned out to be fucking gay or get caught some gay sex sting.

And it's here, with the mention of "most rabid" that we get to the very TERFiest of TERFs, Cathy Brennan. She's a Maryland lawyer and radical feminist activist blogger who has been documented to done these, among numerous other, things:

--Wrote multiple articles outing/attacking a transgender teenager whom she knew was on suicide watch
--Dropped dox on numerous other underage transgender teenagers through social media
--Dox'd multiple transgender women in order to call up their doctors and say they should be taken off hormones and committed because transgenders are dangerous sex criminals
--Harassed the employers of transgender activists who disagree with her by claiming they're employing dangerous sex criminals/alleging false criminal records
--Reported transgender activists to police claiming they're dangerous sexual criminals/child molesters
--Threatened to call the FBI on people who disagree with her, lol
--Shitloads of other dumbass stuff

Now, all of that is well and good, and I think it shows that Cathy Brennan is indeed a fine potential source of lolmilk: she's a hysterical, self-righteous, angry, overreactive, and loves to control media. But that's not what matters to me.

What matters to me is that Cathy Brennan, more than any TERF activist, wants to be a man--thus proving that there is, in fact, at least one TERF motivated by penis envy. It's not even up for debate: just look at the way she presents herself. This woman is clearly trying to look like a man. I'm going to show you guys a series of pictures of Cathy Brennan, and I would like you to tell me whether this looks anything like a woman at all.

Spoiler: You do not get this manly without trying

It's my theory that Cathy "Bug" Brennan is a self-loathing, closeted, female-to-male transsexual. She dresses in male clothing, styles her hair in male fashions, doesn't appear to wear makeup at all, and even behaves like a man (or at least a radical feminist's perception of one) in that she's extremely aggressive, territorial, tribal, and warlike. She dreams of having a penis between her legs with which she can rape men.

But she will never have one, because she was born a woman, and women don't have penises.

Sorry, Cathy.

 

[Mrs Paul]

They're horrified by "men sticking their dicks in women."

Did it ever occur to them they wouldn't even fucking exist to be bitching about that if a man hadn't stuck his dick in a woman?

No, it was explained here -- it's perfectly possible to get pregnant without PIV:

I did not say women are designed for pregnancy. The reason we have a vagina is because if we are pregnant, the baby can come out. It’s the physical function of the vagina. There is no other way for the baby to come out than through the vagina, that’s the way it is, it’s natural. Biology ordered it that way. On the other hand, PIV isn’t natural, it’s an action done by men to us. They can choose not to do it, it isn’t necessary. There are many other ways of becoming pregnant than through penetration of the penis into the vagina. For instance, putting sperm on the vulva is enough to become pregnant. Women, if they wanted to become pregnant, could just ask a man for some sperm and apply it herself. PIV isn’t natural but externally imposed, cultural. As opposed to pregnancy which is a process that’s internal to our body, it’s not something that men are doing to our body 24/7 so that the pregnancy happens. Pregnancy, once it happens, IS. It’s not caused externally. It’s there. In the case of PIV, because it’s something DONE by SOMEONE ELSE to ourselves, not something internal, looking at the physical damage it causes is a way of arguing that it’s unnatural (violent) because if it were either natural or good, it wouldn’t cause that.

I can't imagine anyone wanting to stick his dick in this crazy, but stranger things have happened.