Feb 28, 2022 - Chris transferred to another facility

[RodgerDodger]

Or for instance if they decide they won't charge Chris with rape in the current case, they won't come back and do it later, but if subsequently the sex tape is found with Barb screaming "STOP!", he would then be charged with rape.

I hate you for even making me imagine the existence of a Chris Barb Sex Tape. Especially when they've flushed all the good Russian Vodka down the toilets. What's a good vintage of Bleach? I need something to clear my head.

 

[Super Dilator Duel 3D]

Whatever the case, any new info is good, hopefully no one who brings any such relevant info concerning Chris' situation to light gets canned for it.

I get where you’re coming from, but on the contrary, this mindset opens the door to a lot of fucking retarded ween behavior. I love new info as much as the next Kiwi, but I’d prefer people to know in advance that there might very well be real, tangible consequences for getting too involved with this shit in an attempt to get some internet clout points, i.e. Bella Janke

 

[Pappy Striderite]

I need something to clear my head.

turpentine! it's tequila made in the USA!

 

[Calefactorite]

I hate you for even making me imagine the existence of a Chris Barb Sex Tape. Especially when they've flushed all the good Russian Vodka down the toilets. What's a good vintage of Bleach? I need something to clear my head.

Too Hot For (yep! I'm on) TV

 

[Hassa_Bussa]

Ironically, I was actually thinking of the Sonichu kangaroo court as an example that does indeed show his capacity to understand legal proceedings. Sure, it’s very, very wrong in many ways but it’s a fantasy. In a loose sense, the framework of an actual court with a judge, charges, lawyers, and so on is there.

Chris can imitate but doesn't have the best ability to truly understand dynamics.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I get where you’re coming from, but on the contrary, this mindset opens the door to a lot of fucking retarded ween behavior. I love new info as much as the next Kiwi, but I’d prefer people to know in advance that there might very well be real, tangible consequences for getting too involved with this shit in an attempt to get some internet clout points, i.e. Bella Janke

Which is exactly why the golden rule of lolcow watching is "do not pozload my negholep"

 

[Dusty Old Bones]

...
I don't think Chris is crazy in the normal sense, but ever since he did it the second time I remain convinced he actually believes if he simply wills things hard enough, he WILL make his dreams reality. Largely because he hates true reality.

Scott Adams believes the same horseshit, as well as that we live in the Matrix and you can reprogram it.
It's amazing how crazy you can be allowed to be if you have money.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

Chris can imitate but doesn't have the best ability to truly understand dynamics.

That's what his lawyer is there to understand on his behalf. Chris only needs to understand things like "what does the judge do?" and "what are the charges against you and what happens if you are found guilty?"

 

[Optimus Prime]

That's what his lawyer is there to understand on his behalf. Chris only needs to understand things like "what does the judge do?" and "what are the charges against you and what happens if you are found guilty?"

The amazing thing is this is what, the third time that Chris has had charges against him and he still can't understand the legal system on a basic level?

 

[A-№1]

The accounts of the students imply something very dark: most people sent for restoration to competency are simply extremely slow. Those placed in forensic units make it seem like a fairly large portion of their duties, (or those duties that are worth describing and not just office go-fer tasks,) are to teach the patients about the legal system basics as if they were teaching a child.

Our legal systems were first developed in a time when village idiots were beneath the concern of the courts and left to the townsfolk at large (and their pillories and rotten fruit and pitchforks and fire) to discipline. Now that we have to treat them as actual human beings, we need a way to integrate them into a system of jurisprudence developed to work with people of normal intelligence.

It's a lot easier to train a tard to say, "Yes, your honor," in exchange for a small food reward than to completely rebuild our whole legal system.

Chris, however, seems too crazy.

Too entitled.

I remain convinced he actually believes if he simply wills things hard enough, he WILL make his dreams reality.

Chris uses Cargo Cult thinking. He used a knife to give the universe the hint that he should grow a vagina. If he thought willpower was enough, he wouldn't have grabbed that knife.

They can add felonies at any time (Virginia is unusual in that it has no statute of limitations on felonies). They can only add misdemeanors within one year of the incident, as that is the statute of limitations for misdemeanors in Virginia. They don't have to *convict* within a year, but a year from the incident no new misdemeanors can be brought.

Added misdemeanors still only count for the initial year of incarceration from the arrest. They can't just tack on an additional misdemeanor every eleven months to get Chris an additional year of jail time. They'd have to bump him up to circuit court for that, and they're not going to bump him up for less than full felony charges.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Added misdemeanors still only count for the initial year of incarceration from the arrest. They can't just tack on an additional misdemeanor every eleven months to get Chris an additional year of jail time. They'd have to bump him up to circuit court for that, and they're not going to bump him up for less than full felony charges.

Right. What I was explaining was that the one-year anniversary is the last chance for Chris to plead guilty to any extra misdemeanors that he hasn't already been charged with. After that date he's stuck with whatever the initial charges are, or zapping him to the extreme with felony charges. They could slap him with extra misdemeanors at the hearing to give him more wiggle room for a plea agreement.

Sadly we don't know what he's charged with (other than incest).

If there's no agreement at the hearing though, things are looking worse for Chris. They can probably still keep him on misdemeanors if they send him back to the nuthouse again, since that isn't punishment (even though it counts as time served). We need to closely watch to see if anything pops up in circuit court in August.

 

[AnOminous]

IIRC they can add charges at any time.

Yes, but they have to file them within the statute of limitations (rape is one without one) and if he's been locked up over a year the J&DR court can't hold him any more, because he would have spent enough time there to hit the max this court can sentence you to. Not sure about how defense-caused delays affect this (they do affect speedy trial related arguments).

So I'd anticipate that the one year boundary is where we're looking at something like a plea actually happening. Just letting Chris go convicted of nothing and with nowhere to go isn't really what anyone on either team wants. Even so the penalty of spending a year in jail and state-run mental institutions, losing his home, and basically being a pariah (even more than usual) is hardly without penalty.

This is not one of those things he can weasel out of on pure autism.

If there was some level of consent, questionable or otherwise, and Barb was found competent (we do not know this and two car crashes since say possibly not), it wouldn't be rape of course. It's still the most disgusting thing he's ever done.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

If there was some level of consent, questionable or otherwise, and Barb was found competent (we do not know this and two car crashes since say possibly not), it wouldn't be rape of course. It's still the most disgusting thing he's ever done.

Only one car crash. As I understand it, Chris only said that she would have had a car crash earlier if he hadn't healed her. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think they can continue to hold Chris in J&DR as long as he is in competency evaluations. That's a matter of mental health, not incarceration (though it still counts as incarceration in terms of time served). Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Cloaca Rimjob]

I hate you for even making me imagine the existence of a Chris Barb Sex Tape. Especially when they've flushed all the good Russian Vodka down the toilets. What's a good vintage of Bleach? I need something to clear my head.

If the film adaption of christians westerns Chandler's adult chronicles was made by the creator also. At least it would remain faithful to the source material

 

[A-№1]

What I was explaining was that the one-year anniversary is the last chance for Chris to plead guilty to any extra misdemeanors that he hasn't already been charged with. After that date he's stuck with whatever the initial charges are, or zapping him to the extreme with felony charges.

tl;dr: Chris still has plenty of opportunity to fuck up and end up in Big Boy Court for Big Boy Felonies.

They can probably still keep him on misdemeanors if they send him back to the nuthouse again, since that isn't punishment (even though it counts as time served).

The way I'm reading things, so long as Chris remains uncooperative with his defense and the court, babbling on about being cartoon pony jesus instead of paying attention and answering coherently, they can basically detain him for treatment indefinitely. I don't see the court putting up with that forever, though. If he keeps it up they'll eventually seek to put an end to this with either full commitment (less likely) or kick him up to circuit court to put him at the tender mercies of a jury of his peers on felony charges. That seems pretty obvious.

What I'm not sure about is whether or not Heilberg will stay on as his counsel in circuit court. If Heilberg bails, things will probably go a lot faster with a less competent, less dedicated public defender representing Chris. This might even be Consolvo's strategy (probably not - put it's possible). That would not be in Chris' best interest, but, well, fuck him. He will have done it to himself.

if he's been locked up over a year the J&DR court can't hold him any more, because he would have spent enough time there to hit the max this court can sentence you to.

Except confining him for mental health treatment can effectively put his incarceration into indefinite overtime. I can easily see Chris getting another six months in the hospital at the next hearing if he remains difficult. Eventually the court will lose patience with him, though, if medical confinement remains ineffective and seek other ways to deal with him.

This is not one of those things he can weasel out of on pure autism.

For decades Chris has gotten away with things through being more trouble than he's worth.

He's finally made himself worth the trouble. I believe congratulations are in order.

two car crashes since

Second car crash? Details please.

It's still the most disgusting thing he's ever done.

And that's really saying something.

It's also the most disgusting thing Barb has done (consenting or not), which is also saying something.

I think they can continue to hold Chris in J&DR as long as he is in competency evaluations.

That's the way I read it. However I think they really REALLY don't want to. They have to want to end this somehow, and in a way that he becomes someone else's problem in the future.

 

[AnOminous]

Scott Adams believes the same horseshit, as well as that we live in the Matrix and you can reprogram it.
It's amazing how crazy you can be allowed to be if you have money.

If you can be as crazy as Scott Adams and still make money, you deserve it.

Second car crash? Details please.

Someone commented on it in the Kengle letter megathread. Maybe they were wrong, or were talking about another previous car crash. One of them was the serious one where she was apparently significantly injured. I don't know any details of the other (or for that matter what was being referenced).

In any case, even one serious crash raises questions of competence at least to drive a car, if not something more serious. Also she was cited in it and there is a Carfax for the one that totaled the 2002 Dodge Caravan. I have no idea what the other one is. I'm going to guess it's either not right or was some previous minor crash, or maybe even a reference to the Snyder incident.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

In terms of mens rea, that wouldn't come into play until sentencing. It was a long time ago and has nothing to do with his recent crime. What's important is what the events were surrounding the crime that he is charged with.

True, but wouldn't this prove Chris has a pattern of improper behavior? It would be like giving a minor charges to a sex offender and having him released so that he could live close to schools.

 

[Davis O'Shaughnessy]

I think he's in the hole now. Never to be Seen again, living with Schmorky and Byuu.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Chris can imitate but doesn't have the best ability to truly understand dynamics.

He has a Child's understanding of the universe, if you watch him playing with toys in some videos you will see him playing with Toys much like a Child does while trying to process something they can't understand like Why are mummy and daddy fighting etc.

Our legal systems were first developed in a time when village idiots were beneath the concern of the courts and left to the townsfolk at large (and their pillories and rotten fruit and pitchforks and fire) to discipline. Now that we have to treat them as actual human beings, we need a way to integrate them into a system of jurisprudence developed to work with people of normal intelligence.

It's a lot easier to train a tard to say, "Yes, your honor," in exchange for a small food reward than to completely rebuild our whole legal system.

I'm listening to a Book Series that has a mix of 2000's era attitudes and and that of the 1630's and it comes across this topic in a few ways and in one of the short storys there is a call back to one of the early books where a kid is born with a obvious mental health problems and this sort of thing was talked about - In some ways the really old ways of dealing with Teen or Adult special needs people was kinder as it just left them be didn't expect anything from them and they often found a nice to fit even if it was just herding pigs or carrying bricks etc and the modern system trys to get them to fall in line in ways they can't understand or hope to have any really success in.

It was really interesting it was written by a real Doctor who had a interest in medical history, the upshot was there was no really good solution that could be come up with to how to deal with the handicapped or mentally ill using either school of thought and they where trying to work out a good way dealing with the situation.

There is a lot more to the story but that was the upshot.

 

[Optimus Prime]

In some ways the really old ways of dealing with Teen or Adult special needs people was kinder as it just left them be didn't expect anything from them and they often found a nice to fit even if it was just herding pigs or carrying bricks etc and the modern system trys to get them to fall in line in ways they can't understand or hope to have any really success in.

This isn't a thing like Lenny from Of Mice and Men, since Lenny was clearly lacking in the brain department but he was perfectly willing to work backbreaking labor - he simply fell afoul of the fact he couldn't comprehend his own strength and without supervision he was unwittingly too dangerous for his own good.

Chris isn't like Lenny, because he's not only mentally not all there, but he's also completely work adverse and moreover a fucking asshole. He will intentionally try to fuck somebody over (glitter bomb) if not outright attack them (mace incident) should he feel slighted and it does bear underscoring how he's essentially become a prophet of the cartoon apocalypse with this merge bullshit. He's repeatedly said how the Merge is going to kill a lot of people and he's all for it because it means he gets to ascend to true godhood. It's literally the stuff Olivia Pierce writes in the last of the Doom 2016 in-game lore about how everybody who she manipulated into helping her is damned to literal hell while she ascends to omnipotence (or so she thinks), and she doesn't give a fuck about the lives sacrificed in her wake.