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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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What's really sad is when you look at the T-72's capabilities, when they mount external gas drums on the rear they have an operational range three times that needed to cross the distance between the Belarussian border and Kiev. And yet they've stuck there, out of gas.
Considering that Russia is a nation that exports gas, that's humiliating. It speaks to the horrible logistics systems of the modern Russian military that such vehicles that are made to have gas reserves ran out of gas. This is what happens when you have a mafia state that runs on corruption. Logistics take a back pedal to what the oligarchs want. As fucked as America is, they never botched something as basic as that.
 
Considering that Russia is a nation that exports gas, that's humiliating. It speaks to the horrible logistics systems of the modern Russian military that such vehicles that are made to have gas reserves ran out of gas. This is what happens when you have a mafia state that runs on corruption. Logistics take a back pedal to what the oligarchs want. As fucked as America is, they never botched something as basic as that.
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I think that sums up the entire logistics situation with Russia right now.

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That feeling when you expected a quick and easy victory, only to get bogged down in a WW1-esque stalemate as the enemy gets free stuff from your overseas political rivals, and your logistics break down like the Russian Empire did in WW1.
 
Considering that Russia is a nation that exports gas, that's humiliating. It speaks to the horrible logistics systems of the modern Russian military that such vehicles that are made to have gas reserves ran out of gas. This is what happens when you have a mafia state that runs on corruption. Logistics take a back pedal to what the oligarchs want. As fucked as America is, they never botched something as basic as that.
Have to wonder what is going through Putin’s head now that all the corruption he’d largely condoned is helping create a giant target on his country’s back.
 
That feeling when you expected a quick and easy victory, only to get bogged down in a WW1-esque stalemate as the enemy gets free stuff from your overseas political rivals, and your logistics break down like the Russian Empire did in WW1.
I'm trying to imagine what's going to happen in Russia after the war is over and fog of war starts dissipating. Even if Putin gets the whole of Donetsk and Lugansk regions the losses taken and the general utter humiliation of Russia and it's "Military Might Bashing the Fash" is completely indefensible so I imagine even if relations with west menage to get restarted the iron curtain protecting Russian people from hostile narratives cannot be lifted unless there's a change in the ruling class, and it'll take a change far bigger then just Putin and his most trusted cronies.

I saw a clip of a Russian TV broadcast where some military dude tried talking about Russians dying in Ukraine (their soldats) only to be shouted down by the show host who started saying "I don't want to hear any of it" and "Our brave men are not dying they are killing fascist scum!!!!" Some shit like that, it was barely translated, I'll upload it maybe someone can verify if that's what it is, It's fucking sad.



I think the soldat is named Captain Vladimir Jernosjan/Jernosyan
 
Minor nitpick, but the British area bombing was a direct result of bombing in general being highly inaccurate. They had tried precision strikes at the onset of the war, however between navigational issues and poor aiming capabilities inherent to the available technologies of the time, they were lucky to even hit the city, never mind a specific industrial district! Once navigation and aiming technologies improved, then the British were able to target specific areas, and began to do so.
Compared to today yes, but even at the end of the War you would see Mosquito Pathfinders go ahead of the bombers to drop IR flares which the bombers could use to direct their fire.

Point is, Bomber Command specifically chose to target civilians to damage their moral.

This isn't to say American bombing was precise, but it was aimed at military targets, and being done in the day meant they had a fair degree of success in this. It also meant before the Mustang was available they took incredible losses.
 
The recent whataboutism in this thread is giving me cancer. The bitter fact of the matter is that both the USA and Russia have a metric fuckton of war crimes to answer for that they've yet to face any serious repercussions over. I've already sperged at length about Russia levelling Grozny, Aleppo, and Idlib to the ground while killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in the process but to anyone saying that the USA is better than Russia insofar as "accidentally" killing civilians is concerned: need I remind you of Abu Ghraib and how the ICC's investigation into Iraq failed to touch upon literal torture of prisoners of war? Or do I have to bring up what happened at Bagram Theater for anything to ring a bell? Also, let's not forget that as recently as June of 2020, the Trump administration was guilty of calling the ICC a "kangaroo court" and actually threatened sanctions and travel restrictions on the ICC's lawyers and judges when they were launching an investigation into the US occupation of Afghanistan. Don't delude yourself into thinking the USA's war crimes were "accidental" and that ultimately, more good than bad came of their recent military operations.

With all of that said, the USA's war crimes are not relevant to the situation at hand in Ukraine. The fact of the matter is that Russia is the aggressor this time around and that Russia's war crimes are now on display for the entire world to see. It's 100% possible to condemn both the USA and Russia for their actions in recent history. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to grasp.
 


Was discussing with an older guy I know who was in the British Army back in the day. Was a logistics guy, but was the lucky sod with the GPMG.

He was practically salivating at the size of the column and how 30 or so lads in small teams could utterly fuck it up. It does seem its how the Ukranians have decided to operate, with the footage emerging of the small squads armed with AT launchers and usually with a single tank in support.

The fact that the Russian Airforce has dropped back is very interesting, and seems to hint the attack on helicopters that the Ukranians claimed a few days ago may be true.

Conscripts are generally garbage, so that should be fun against all the highly motivated volunteers on the Ukranian side.
 
Outside of typical journalist bullshit, like "they eat children and rape animals, trust me", this article is an absolute laugh riot.
  • Brit decides to aid ukies.
  • Goes with them to the airport of Gostomel. Coordination is non-existent, they get their shit kicked in.
  • He retreats and walks with his friend. Uki intelligence force decides to check them, they find pistols and walkie-talkies and consider them russian spies.
  • They take him to some remote place, slam his head repeatedly until he has a concussion
  • ALL THIS TIME THEY DON'T EVEN CARE ENOUGH TO SPEAK UKRAINIAN, SO THEY SPEAK RUSSIAN
  • Eventually they let him go, so he just runs away to Poland and goes back to Bongland
  • "BUT YEAH, PUTIN IS A MONSTER AND THEY ARE HEROES"
Fucking clownworld.
 
Outside of typical journalist bullshit, like "they eat children and rape animals, trust me", this article is an absolute laugh riot.
  • Brit decides to aid ukies.
  • Goes with them to the airport of Gostomel. Coordination is non-existent, they get their shit kicked in.
  • He retreats and walks with his friend. Uki intelligence force decides to check them, they find pistols and walkie-talkies and consider them russian spies.
  • They take him to some remote place, slam his head repeatedly until he has a concussion
  • ALL THIS TIME THEY DON'T EVEN CARE ENOUGH TO SPEAK UKRAINIAN, SO THEY SPEAK RUSSIAN
  • Eventually they let him go, so he just runs away to Poland and goes back to Bongland
  • "BUT YEAH, PUTIN IS A MONSTER AND THEY ARE HEROES"
Fucking clownworld.
Imagine believing "The Sun". That tabloid's articles is just pure chaos, no one knows whether its real or not
 
Isn't the D.S.A. the group of chuckle-fucks who wasted nearly half a million dollars on sack lunches for one of their conventions, then spent the better half of the weekend stopping everything to bitch about "invisible disabilities", complaining about getting triggered because people were chit-chatting too loudly, and everyone had to do jazz hands instead of clapping because clapping was too loud and might spook some people like they were animals? LOL
 
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need I remind you of Abu Ghraib and how the ICC's investigation into Iraq failed to touch upon literal torture of prisoners of war? Or do I have to bring up what happened at Bagram Theater for anything to ring a bell?
The US actually investigated and prosecuted those cases, and has done so in other cases that are not as publicized. Not every crime in a combat area can be prosecuted (just as not every crime in peace time is prosecuted), but in general if an American servicemember violates a UCMJ article or general order implementing the law of armed conflict, they're criminally liable. JAG is involved in target selection to ensure no protected places are nominated and the principle of distinction is upheld.

Since the US tries to avoid disproportionate civilian casualties, and since it investigates and prosecutes individual cases of abuse (however imperfectly), it does not meet the "plan or policy or ... large-scale commission of such crimes" standard of the ICC statute.
 
Minor nitpick, but the British area bombing was a direct result of bombing in general being highly inaccurate. They had tried precision strikes at the onset of the war, however between navigational issues and poor aiming capabilities inherent to the available technologies of the time, they were lucky to even hit the city, never mind a specific industrial district! Once navigation and aiming technologies improved, then the British were able to target specific areas, and began to do so.

Of course, the British weren't really concerned with switching targets with any real haste...
That's total war for you. By that point, with the entire economies of the belligerents placed on a command/control war footing, meaning just about every aspect of the economy operated to further the war effort, the distinction between civilian and military was essentially gone.

At least that's how they would have justified it.
 
Imagine believing
That can be said about any modern tabloid, depending on what you wanna hear.

no one knows whether its real or not
Actually, it lines up perfectly with what their intelligence agency was doing even before the war.

That tabloid's articles is just pure chaos
That was my fucking point. What this brit said is probably true, but the conclusion is the opposite thing. "Well, yeah, their army sucks and they tortured him without any second guess, but Putin bad, they good".
 
That's total war for you. By that point, with the entire economies of the belligerents placed on a command/control war footing, meaning just about every aspect of the economy operated to further the war effort, the distinction between civilian and military was essentially gone.

At least that's how they would have justified it.
To be fair to the British, they weren't bombing civilians just to kill civilians, but to displace their industrial workforces, hindering production (which worked, actually), and causing a refugee situation that would divert resources (which it did). Dead civilians would hindered their efforts, since a dead housewife just needs a 6x3x6 room and no food or water until the end of time, but a living one requires a lot more.

Also, a random update, apropos of nothing:
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Except again, America's civilian casualties are a result of mistakes on their part, whereas the Russians are openly attacking civilian targets as part of their strategy to break Ukrainian morale.
I can semi-agree with this because often with the US it was incompetence leading to civilian killings, whereas with Russia they're just shelling whatever they can from a distance because their military can't enter the areas they want for reasons we are all familiar with. The US would typically make pathetic attempts to verify targets, whereas Russia is just going with what sounds right in their heads like bombing a hospital because they may think people are storing weapons or whatever there.

Thing is, it's all kind of a stupid conversation to be having when the US isn't fighting here and it's Ukraine versus Russia. You have people fighting for their homeland against a bunch of degenerates in Russia who are fighting on behalf of oligarchs wanting to protect their bank accounts. It's an insane enough conflict it's made much of the world came together in support of Ukraine and wanting to send supplies for them to defend themselves. For some reason tons of people want to always pretend the real villain in all this is the US when they don't even have soldiers in the conflict and the only real physical presence that's acted as an aggressor is Russia.
 
Was discussing with an older guy I know who was in the British Army back in the day. Was a logistics guy, but was the lucky sod with the GPMG.

He was practically salivating at the size of the column and how 30 or so lads in small teams could utterly fuck it up. It does seem its how the Ukranians have decided to operate, with the footage emerging of the small squads armed with AT launchers and usually with a single tank in support.

The fact that the Russian Airforce has dropped back is very interesting, and seems to hint the attack on helicopters that the Ukranians claimed a few days ago may be true.

Conscripts are generally garbage, so that should be fun against all the highly motivated volunteers on the Ukranian side.
According to the UK Def secretary Russia is operating it's aircraft at night due to the effectiveness of Stingers and other MANPADs.

Hence the UK is offering up Laser Guided Mach 3+ star streak missiles to Ukraine.
 
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