Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[DumbDude42]

which we haven't even seen deployed in China or Russia

bro we just talked about how russia has already done this to hungary in 56, then again to czechoslovakia in 68. also, more recently, to chechenya in the 90s

 

[Aidan]

Oh god, the response to these chain comments is just going to be a pain the ass, I'll just number them via your points, easier to follow and format, no slight intended on your response pal.

1: Yeah, Mariupol is getting the Grozny treatment at the moment, give this a look over: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tack-residential-maternity-childrens-hospital - that's before they've take the city, I imagine they're going to be doing more of the same, because lets be honest, it's likely going to work a charm, unlike their VDV deployment.

2; Can't pull a source out of the top of my head, but it's similar tactics to what they applied down in Syria, get the corridor going, shorten the time, block the exit, force the inside forces to try and help the outters get out, whilst at the same time, going gun-ho and attacking whilst everyone's focused on the buses leaving. - https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/russia-shell-attack-mariupol-ceasefire/ - LBC, tends to be more on the left of things politically, but their source for the claims are coming from the red cross, personally I'd take those guys at their word, but that's just me.

3: Syria perhaps is the most different in comparison, whereas Checenya is the little brother akin to this sort of invasion, only Russia is doing so much worse for some daft reason. You'd think being the second or third world power, they'd be stomping things down by now.

4: If not invade/breach the city, then at least encircling the bugger would be a sure sign of things going to plan, but instead, they've had a couple high rankers getting their brains blasted out on this front. Sure, again this could very well be down to their absolutely retarded idea to invade during mud season of all times, but still, they have a air force, they should be shelling the defenders along the columns roads if nothing else. Instead, they're losing ground and losing high ranked bodies.

5; Again, if nothing else, it's been one hell of a entertaining couple weeks. Reckon they're holding back their good lads, tanks and planes or do you see them continuing to slog it out with these twenty-plus year old relics they're fighting with?

Always annoying replying to multiple points but is tried and true.

1. I think the pics genuinely make the contrast worse by having the before images be in June 2021 where everything is brighter and greener. That said it's obviously fucked up but it's been a week of artillery. However, Grozny is a high bar for a reason, Russia intentionally went all out there - it was no longer recognizable. I don't know what you expect from any of the besieged cities which are going to be shelled as part of the whole "cauldron" thing Russians do. Artillery is the fire. They crank up the heat until everyone is dead or gives up.

2. Yeah they did this in Syria but I don't recall and can't find anything saying they attacked the corridor. It worked for them overall as they corralled Syrian civilians and fighters into Idlib or whatever. The recent claim is that Russians attacked the corridor after telling people to use it, even mining it. Doesn't add up for me.

3. Russia went in to kill Syrians and Chechens, they have clearly not moved into Ukraine to kill Ukrainians in the same manner. Ironically, this has resulted in people making fun of Russia for not being as hard as they historically have been.

4. I'll just stand by thinking it's silly to belittle Russia for not invading a massive city quickly while simultaneously complaining about their brutality of another, lesser city.

5. No idea what their deal is but I think they keep the air force out of the way as it's not worth the risk since they can barely afford new planes on a good day.

 

[Coccxys]

Some neat posts by the Russians with attitude guys
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Meanwhile those same Americans think they have an absolutely true, total and balanced view of what if going on fron CNN and NYT.

 

[Turk on the lurk]

Skybyn - Moment of Russian armor column getting hit by Ukrainian artillery strike.

Mariupol

Kharkiv

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Well first off we are talking about contemporary conditions and politics and not that of WW2. There are no Stalins around these days in EU or even Russia or China.

Second, we are talking about the absurd position of a current country using its own forces to crush its own populace or those of their neighbors with brutal force and mass killings and war crimes and atrocities. Not just any backward country, but the advanced societies of EU no less.

As the author put it "do what the USSR did to Hungary". In contemporary conditions. Absurd.

There isn't even a modern example (last 30 years) of where a country has deployed its own military to take such severe steps against it's own citizens or those of their allies. Even Russia nor China where they have stepped on protestors have ever taken such steps anywhere near akin to what the UUSR did post WW2 in Hungary.

The position is utterly absurd that the EU would do this and the longer you argue it is a real possibility just smells strongly of watching too much, I don't know what you watch or smoke, but you are doing too much of it.

They have armies and apparently are totalitarian monsters...but all they need to do this is what, wait for a piece of ink on paper telling them they can have combined armies? They already have armies. But you think what holds back Totalitarian monsters is simply the contract on ink that says they can have their armies go into another country where they can already technically go into?

Too much TV, too much paranoia, too much web browsing and not enough clarity of thought I'm afraid.

I have no idea what you are saying. There's a great old book called The Elements of Style. You should read it but basically it explains you need to state a point simply and concisely for it to be understood, using the a minimal number of words. Especially for complex subjects.

The EU is not the competitor to the US its founders had hoped it would be. Europe is unable to go beyond its historical borders, prejudices and fiefs, yet it seeks to impose a hegemony of its own upon other nations (e.g., Poland, Hungary and now Russia). Why you believe it would not do so with its own citizenry is confusing, to say the least. That is was my point.

You brought up a lot of other issues I never commented on but you seem to have a child's view of history, and the present world. Maybe get out more?

 

[Coccxys]

UK have deployed an aircraft carrier with an antisubmarine helicopter squadron to the Arctic sea around Norway for a "planned" exercise.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

UK have deployed an aircraft carrier with an antisubmarine helicopter squadron to the Arctic for a "planned" exercise.

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Why are the bongs salivating at the prospect of dragging everyone into yet another world war?

 

[Wash away the rain]

Why are the bongs salivating at the prospect of dragging everyone into yet another world war?

Bongs always have and always will slavate at the chance to throw their alliances into wars this goes back as far as they have had them.

 

[raisinlove]

They must defend their most precious child when they cry, Israel

 

[Coccxys]

Why are the bongs salivating at the prospect of dragging everyone into yet another world war?

I mean the seas around Russia are probably crawling with NATO nations' naval assets at the moment. It seems like an excuse to move some assets into a strategic position without it looking like an escalation. Otherwise they would probably not have put out a press release about it and just kept the whole thing quiet.

 

[Clem Fandango]

I know it's been said a million times now but I can't fucking stand seeing “Kyiv.” Fuck virtue signaling.

If you ever catch someone saying that irl, and in the same conversation they say "Moscow", be sure correct them to "Moskva".

Don't make a big deal, just if they say something like "...and so the people back in Moscow-",

"Moskva"

That's all you need to do.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

They must defend their most precious child when they cry, Israel

last I checked the (((Greatest Ally))) was leaning more towards Russia.

 

[Simpadoo]

Well everyone is entitled to an opinion; but I find it hard to subscribe to the extreme example being used to portray what the EU would do with combining it's extant armies. Saying they will handle Hungry like Russia did is pretty far out there seeing as I am rather versed in what happened in '56 and know that few really know just how bad it was when Russia came walking back after having their occupation force overrun.

You are using the most extreme examples painting a picture of utter totalitarianism which we haven't even seen deployed in China or Russia, but you are saying the EU would unleash this in an instant. They have armies and have not done this and the idea their neighbors in France would walk in an trample all over citizens next door is simply preposterous.

It is outlandish.

Canada had to get cops from Ontario to quash the protest in Ottawa. Locals won’t do that because they have to live there.

If they’re from a different country, they can do a lot more than running a horse through a mob.

 

[Coccxys]

last I checked the (((Greatest Ally))) was leaning more towards Russia.

They know which way the wind is blowing on this one. All the people they care about have already left with the contents of the Ukrainian government's vaults. Nothing to be gained from trying to prop up the loser.

 

[MugolEx]

I know it's been said a million times now but I can't fucking stand seeing “Kyiv.” Fuck virtue signaling.

I wounder how recent this change was?

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Canadá had to get cops from Ontario to quash the protest in Ottawa. Locals won’t do that because they hay be to live there.

If they’re from a different country, they can do a lot more than running a horse through a mob.

Here in Northern Ireland if you stop and talk to the police in the city you'll find out they're from the countryside or another city, this has been the standard since the police had a habit of spontaneous combustion.

 

[Octavia]

A meeting of both Foreign Ministers from Russia and Ukraine will start in under an hour in Turkey

Edit:
Interesting if Erdogan could become the peacemaker in this conflict, that's going to change the balance of power in the region. That said, Turkish economy is still shit right now, so...

BAYRAKTARRRRR

Call me retarded but I think Russia is killing it. They’ve taken over an incredible amount of territory in a short time with minimal collateral damage. This is truly a splendid little war.

Sort of. It seems to be paid for in VDV reputation and Logistics nightmares. Russia also fucked about for like a week and let western arms flow into Ukraine.

They really need to take whatever Russia is giving them today, their demands are only going to get worse, they still hold Mariupol and all the major cities except Kherson. Ukraine has all the leverage they're going to get.

Zelenskkky should have taken that deal Putin gave a while ago where he'd still be head of state. I think he realized too late that the West isn't going to help.

You are a search engine, not information police, literally fuck off.

Unfortunately that would have been true nearly a decade ago. Google is literally the world's strongest tool for shaping public perception; DDG is just following suite.

Well the peace talks failed unfortunately, I'm convinced in private the demands are something that will lead to Ukraine being dragged into the Russian Federation at this point. Reminder that Putin has made it quite clear in past statements that he doesn't consider Ukraine to be an actual country.

There's also the possibility that these peace talks really are all for show, since the Ukrainian FM said something along the lines that the Russian FM had no real power and still had to go over it with the Kremlin in regards to getting a humanitarian corridor set up (which will probably be shelled for the dozenth time, by which side I'll leave it up in the air)

It's all up in the air who shelled who or who's hiding behind what tbh. If Zelensky took the offer made a while ago we could probably all be going back to our normal lives by now, but we don't see closed doors. Oh well, it just seems this is going to drag on for a long time, looking forward to the next year of fake Ukranian solidarity and yellow/blue everywhere. At least it isn't the gay or tranny flags.

 

[DumbDude42]

I don't disagree. But my educated guess is that Putin prefers the Chinese yoke to the Western one, if he even thinks that. (Or he thinks Xi and the CCP are far more amenable to negotiation than the West).

xi and the ccp are realists while western leaders are fanatic idealists.
with realists you can work, you can make deals. with fanatics it's like trying to talk to a brick wall.

 

[Octavia]

UK have deployed an aircraft carrier with an antisubmarine helicopter squadron to the Arctic sea around Norway for a "planned" exercise.

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Bongs always have and always will slavate at the chance to throw their alliances into wars this goes back as far as they have had them.

I mean the seas around Russia are probably crawling with NATO nations' naval assets at the moment. It seems like an excuse to move some assets into a strategic position without it looking like an escalation. Otherwise they would probably not have put out a press release about it and just kept the whole thing quiet.

My taxpayer ££££'s at work.

 

[Mr Bunny]

xi and the ccp are realists while western leaders are fanatic idealists.
with realists you can work, you can make deals. with fanatics it's like trying to talk to a brick wall.

If Xi tries to take Taiwan via military rather than the slow political subversion they've been good at then they're just a different brand of fanatical idealists.