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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Talk about OSINT.


The Ministry of Defence launched a new [Telegram] bot "eVorog", which cannot be used by the occupants.

Through the new chat-bot it is possible to notify the ZSU about the transfer of Russian troops or enemy equipment.

This bot is protected - you can send materials only after authorization through the "
Diia" program.

⚡️Мінцифри запустило новий бот "єВорог", яким не зможуть скористатися окупанти.

Через новий чат-бот можна повідомити ЗСУ про пересування російських військ чи ворожої техніки.

Цей бот захищений – надіслати матеріали можна лише після авторизації через програму "Дія".
 
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The recent whataboutism in this thread is giving me cancer. The bitter fact of the matter is that both the USA and Russia have a metric fuckton of war crimes to answer for that they've yet to face any serious repercussions over. I've already sperged at length about Russia levelling Grozny, Aleppo, and Idlib to the ground while killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in the process but to anyone saying that the USA is better than Russia insofar as "accidentally" killing civilians is concerned: need I remind you of Abu Ghraib and how the ICC's investigation into Iraq failed to touch upon literal torture of prisoners of war? Or do I have to bring up what happened at Bagram Theater for anything to ring a bell? Also, let's not forget that as recently as June of 2020, the Trump administration was guilty of calling the ICC a "kangaroo court" and actually threatened sanctions and travel restrictions on the ICC's lawyers and judges when they were launching an investigation into the US occupation of Afghanistan. Don't delude yourself into thinking the USA's war crimes were "accidental" and that ultimately, more good than bad came of their recent military operations.

With all of that said, the USA's war crimes are not relevant to the situation at hand in Ukraine. The fact of the matter is that Russia is the aggressor this time around and that Russia's war crimes are now on display for the entire world to see. It's 100% possible to condemn both the USA and Russia for their actions in recent history. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to grasp.
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It's only a war crime if you are a shithole nation and/or you lose the conflict.
 
I mean, God, imagine trying to find enough people willing to die for Mother Russia in this day and age...

there was an article way back, in western press profiling two rf conscripts. One was a school teacher, the other was a train operator. Army offered 2-3x pay. It's a job. RF has one of the biggest military and for a lot of people it's just a job, especially in economically depressed regions. For contract service, it's basically 9-5 job most of the time, with an exception of periodic inspections when you need to shine the boots and make sure that inventory on paper matches inventory in the warehouses. Many base commanders simply don't want to exercise or train because it leads to wear on vehicles that would need to be fixed and no one needs that headache. Hence the rotted tires that people notice. Conscript fuck things up, so instead of training them, they are used to keep busy sweeping, painting grass and shoveling water. Fuel supplied to the base can easily be sold to locals for money, civ food and booze. Is any of this a new concept or haven't been done in other armies? i.e. living off the land, living off the military expenditures.

Here is a fresh roll from near Skibin, Kyiv dist. Everyone on the roll are cadets with less than fighting civ. occupations, DOB 1999-2002, mechanics, machinists, firefighter, welder ... all dead.

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For Ukrainians it's personal and close to home. The army conscription prior to 2022 was not popular at all. At this point both Poroshenko-bots and Zelenski-zombies have bigger issue. This is something that putin-bros fail to grasp. Locals don't fight for Zelenski or his oligharchs. They are pissed off because a cousin got killed and their corner grocery store got looted and pretty much everyone's life and plans are upside down. That's not winning any hearts or minds. 90% of locals are rabbidly anti-invasion, the remaining %s are hunted down (if possible), called traitors, which keeps any support for russians only dwindling over time.

I, personally, have several friends with whom I only ever spoke Russian, one for literally two decades. Now, overnight, they switched to speaking in broken Ukrainian or English out of disgust. One of them is not even Ukrainian. Noticed the same about a vtuber I used to watch a lot. A lot of people are turning their back to anything Russian. However this war goes, this shit is going to linger for generations. But the main point is that even if Zelensky dies, even if Kyiv or Kharkiv or Mariupol falls, it won't change the hearts and minds of people in Ukraine, unless Russia sends a few more million soldiers to occupy it for the next generation or two.
 

Inflation hits new 40-year high, surging 7.9%​


Inflation around the U.S. reached a new 40-year high in February, with consumer prices jumping 7.9% from a year ago — the fastest annual rate since the Reagan administration.

Rising costs of energy, housing and food drove the increase, the Labor Department said on Thursday. The price of energy has surged 26% over the last year, sharply increasing the cost of gasoline, fuel oil and natural gas for home heating. Groceries were up 8.6% from a year ago, while clothing rose 6.6%.

Excluding volatile food and energy, consumer prices rose 6.4% year-over-year, the Labor Department said.

The data, based on surveys in the middle of the month, doesn't capture the strain from Russia's war in Ukraine, which is pushing the cost of energy even higher and threatens to strain already wobbly supply chains.

"The Russia-Ukraine war adds further fuel to the blazing rate of inflation via higher energy, food, and core commodity prices that are turbocharged by a worsening in supply chain problems," Kathy Bostjancic, chief U.S. financial economist with Oxford Economics, said in a note. "This will lead to a higher near-term peak in inflation and a slower descent through 2022 than previously envisaged."

Crude oil traded at $108 a barrel on Thursday, up sharply from $90 before Russia's invasion, and the average price of gasoline this week hit a record high of $4.25 a gallon.

For most Americans, inflation is running far ahead of the pay raises that many received in the past year, making it harder for them to afford necessities like food, gas and rent.

Seeking to curb inflation, the Federal Reserve is set to raise interest rates several times this year beginning with a modest hike next week. The Fed faces a delicate challenge, though: If it tightens credit too aggressively this year, it risks undercutting the economy and perhaps triggering a recession.


Beijing vows harsh response if US slaps sanctions on China over Ukraine​


In the process of settling relations with the Russian Federation, the US is not entitled to impose so-called sanctions against Chinese companies and individuals, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman Zhao Lijian noted

Beijing intends to retaliate with harsh measures, if Washington imposes sanctions on China due to the discord between Russia and the US over the Ukrainian crisis, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman Zhao Lijian said on Thursday.


"In the process of settling relations with the Russian Federation, the US is not entitled to impose so-called sanctions against Chinese companies and individuals," the spokesman stressed at a briefing. "Otherwise, China will provide a resolute and serious response."


According to the diplomat, Washington’s sanctions against Russia will not do anything to solve the Ukraine dilemma. "On the contrary, the US creates more headaches this way," he added.


As Zhao Lijian noted, Washington’s actions not only cause economic damage to the sides, but also "have a [negative] impact on the political settlement process."


Russia says Mariupol hospital was base for Ukraine nationalists​


Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov claimed on Thursday that a hospital which was attacked in the southern Ukrainian port city of Mariupol had been serving as a military base for nationalists.


“This maternity hospital has long been occupied by the Azov Battalion and other radicals. They drove out the women in labour, nurses and general staff. It was the base of the ultra-radical Azov Battalion,” Lavrov said, following talks in Turkey with his Ukrainian counterpart.

Ukraine says no ceasefire progress at ‘difficult’ Russia talks​


Ukraine and Russia made no progress towards agreeing a ceasefire after the Russian invasion at tense talks in Turkey, the Ukrainian foreign minister said on Thursday.


“We also talked on the ceasefire, a 24-hour ceasefire, but no progress was accomplished on that,” Dmytro Kuleba told reporters after his meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Antalya.


“It seems that there are other decision-makers for this matter in Russia,” Kuleba said, in apparent reference to the Kremlin.


He also repeated his vow that the country will not give in, saying “I want to repeat that Ukraine has not surrendered, does not surrender, and will not surrender.”


He described the meeting as “difficult”, accusing his counterpart of bringing “traditional narratives” about Ukraine to the table.


Kuleba said he wanted to emerge from the meeting with an agreement on a humanitarian corridor from the besieged city of Mariupol but “unfortunately Minister Lavrov was not in a position to commit to it”.


Kuleba said Lavrov “will correspond with respective authorities on this issue.”


He added that he would be ready to meet with Lavrov “again in this format if there are prospects or a substantial discussion and for seeking solutions.”


But he emphasised: “We are ready for diplomacy, we seek diplomatic decisions but as long as there are none, we go with dedication, sacrificing ourselves, to defend our lands, our people, in the face of Russian aggression.”

 
With all of that said, the USA's war crimes are not relevant to the situation at hand in Ukraine. The fact of the matter is that Russia is the aggressor this time around and that Russia's war crimes are now on display for the entire world to see. It's 100% possible to condemn both the USA and Russia for their actions in recent history. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to grasp.
USA's crimes are relevant to put Russia's crimes in perspective, and it helps to see which sources are just US propoganda and which are genuinly upset. Guardian, for example, was genuinly upset at US war crimes, and Russian ones. That means it's likely to be more objective than, say, CNN which likes US comitting war crimes and is pretty pro-US war. Guardian is still liberal shithole of a newspaper, sure, but it's helpful.

War crimes are horrible, but sadly common for big nations. Maybe that's just me being cynical, but when I compare the crimes, part is for reasons I mentioned before, sure, and the other part is just me looking if this is normal war crime, or has Russia gone beyond.

I agree, both US and Russia (and other European, and not, nations) need to be condemned, but this massive focus on Russia (from sources that have lied about a lot in this war (Russia is guilty of that too) ) threatens to not only remove Russia's actions from the bigger picture, as well as creating a massive hatred for a Russian person, not the Russian government. Such hatreds historically never turned out well, and will either (at best) serve to confirm to the Russian people the lies they have been likely told by Putin (about the West wishing to destroy them) or (at worst) create another treaty of versailles situation. People do not learn from history, sadly.

Of course, it's easy for me to say all this, I have almost no stake in the conflict. Maybe if I were in danger, I'd wish the destruction of the Russian people. Who knows.
 
there was an article way back, in western press profiling two rf conscripts. One was a school teacher, the other was a train operator. Army offered 2-3x pay. It's a job. RF has one of the biggest military and for a lot of people it's just a job, especially in economically depressed regions. For contract service, it's basically 9-5 job most of the time, with an exception of periodic inspections when you need to shine the boots and make sure that inventory on paper matches inventory in the warehouses. Many base commanders simply don't want to exercise or train because it leads to wear on vehicles that would need to be fixed and no one needs that headache. Hence the rotted tires that people notice. Conscript fuck things up, so instead of training them, they are used to keep busy sweeping, painting grass and shoveling water. Fuel supplied to the base can easily be sold to locals for money, civ food and booze. Is any of this a new concept or haven't been done in other armies? i.e. living off the land, living off the military expenditures.

Here is a fresh roll from near Skibin, Kyiv dist. Everyone on the roll are cadets with less than fighting civ. occupations, DOB 1999-2002, mechanics, machinists, firefighter, welder ... all dead.

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For Ukrainians it's personal and close to home. The army conscription prior to 2022 was not popular at all. At this point both Poroshenko-bots and Zelenski-zombies have bigger issue. This is something that putin-bros fail to grasp. Locals don't fight for Zelenski or his oligharchs. They are pissed off because a cousin got killed and their corner grocery store got looted and pretty much everyone's life and plans are upside down. That's not winning any hearts or minds. 90% of locals are rabbidly anti-invasion, the remaining %s are hunted down (if possible), called traitors, which keeps any support for russians only dwindling over time.

I, personally, have several friends with whom I only ever spoke Russian, one for literally two decades. Now, overnight, they switched to speaking in broken Ukrainian or English out of disgust. One of them is not even Ukrainian. Noticed the same about a vtuber I used to watch a lot. A lot of people are turning their back to anything Russian. However this war goes, this shit is going to linger for generations. But the main point is that even if Zelensky dies, even if Kyiv or Kharkiv or Mariupol falls, it won't change the hearts and minds of people in Ukraine, unless Russia sends a few more million soldiers to occupy it for the next generation or two.
I just saw some propaganda mouthpiece on Russian TV try to convince everyone that Ukrainians are disorganized and "special military operation" is stalling only because they refuse to accept reality that it's over for them, and that they were already liberated. Something to that effect.
It's like another fucking reality altogether out there.
 
USA's crimes are relevant to put Russia's crimes in perspective, and it helps to see which sources are just US propoganda and which are genuinly upset. Guardian, for example, was genuinly upset at US war crimes, and Russian ones. That means it's likely to be more objective than, say, CNN which likes US comitting war crimes and is pretty pro-US war. Guardian is still liberal shithole of a newspaper, sure, but it's helpful.

War crimes are horrible, but sadly common for big nations. Maybe that's just me being cynical, but when I compare the crimes, part is for reasons I mentioned before, sure, and the other part is just me looking if this is normal war crime, or has Russia gone beyond.

I agree, both US and Russia (and other European, and not, nations) need to be condemned, but this massive focus on Russia (from sources that have lied about a lot in this war (Russia is guilty of that too) ) threatens to not only remove Russia's actions from the bigger picture, as well as creating a massive hatred for a Russian person, not the Russian government. Such hatreds historically never turned out well, and will either (at best) serve to confirm to the Russian people the lies they have been likely told by Putin (about the West wishing to destroy them) or (at worst) create another treaty of versailles situation. People do not learn from history, sadly.

Of course, it's easy for me to say all this, I have almost no stake in the conflict. Maybe if I were in danger, I'd wish the destruction of the Russian people. Who knows.
The US can be very sloppy with ROE, and thats not simply a case of "oh well it's just a few people's lives". It's awful, we all agree.

Not withstanding the CIA and their drone campaign in Pakistan/Afghanistan which was far far far too accepting of innocents being caught in the crossfire, the difference in the US and Russia cases are that of recklessness and intent. (Vietnam and burning entire villages to the ground aside).

What I mean is this, the US RoE is sloppy and overly reckless. Too many people die, but in the vast vast majority of cases it's clear the US isn't intentionally targeting the civilian population. With Russia, it seems to be a key part of their doctrine - ala Aleppo, Grozny, Kharkiv, etc - to punish the civilian population. It really looks like the sort of doctrine used back in WWII when area bombing was used.
 
The lolcows of the Daily Stormer added its pinch of salt about Russia and Ukraine talking of Toyota and other companies who did Russian boycott.
There was probably no timeline on which I would have either the money or the desire to drive anything other than a Toyota.

But this seals the deal.

RT:

Japanese automaker Toyota has no plans to leave the Russian market nor to close its car production plant in the country, the company’s press office said on Thursday.
It said deliveries of Toyota and Lexus vehicles to Russia had been temporarily suspended due to the disruption of logistics in the region. Foreign firms have faced supply chain problems due to the Western sanctions targeting the Russian economy over the country’s military involvement in neighboring Ukraine.
The company also dismissed reports that it planned to close its plant in Russia’s second city.

Automakers Ford, Renault, Hyundai, BMW, and Volkswagen have all announced the suspension of production in Russia.
It’s probably impossible for most people to do a full boycott of companies boycotting Russia, but I’m going to do my best.

Here’s a running list of boycotters supporting the satanic and neo-Nazi state of Jewkraine.

I already boycott most of these companies. I liked getting McDonald’s breakfast as one of my only food-sins once or twice a month, but this is officially canceled.

I never drank Coke, and I’m banned from using PayPal, Visa, and MasterCard (I’m actually probably the only person on earth who has never been charged with a crime that is banned from having any form of personal bank account).

I already said I was never buying another Apple product.

I don’t know about shoes. I was already boycotting Nike because of that BLM shit they did, then I started boycotting Adidas because they did some tranny thing.

Both Zara and H&M are boycotting. I don’t know where I’m supposed to buy t-shirts and socks, but I guess I’ll have to go with QLO or whatever that Japanese version of H&M is called. I never liked the t-shirts there, but I’ll make do.

I was a little bit caught by surprise at how “all in” Italy is going on this. I guess they’re trying to distract from the fact that they’ve been so heavily involved in laundering crime money from Russia. But yeah, I’m too poor to buy anything Italian anyway.

Papa John’s is joining the boycott too, by the way. That’s sad.

If the Papa was still in charge, and the soyjak media was like “leave Russia, they’re bombing Ukrainian hospitals!!!”, the Papa would be like “you better shut up and get out of my face before I bomb your hospital, nigger.”
 
According to the UK Def secretary Russia is operating it's aircraft at night due to the effectiveness of Stingers and other MANPADs.

Hence the UK is offering up Laser Guided Mach 3+ star streak missiles to Ukraine.

Yeah the Starstreaks are going to be the Javelin-game-changing equivalent. Still technically "defensive" weapons platforms but fuck me thats going to fuck some shit up.

The Star Streaks can hit Mach 4 and are the fastest MANPADS in use. They were quite literally designed to fuck up Russian aircraft hitting afterburner.

We've probably sent them out there to check they definitely work.
 
USA's crimes are relevant to put Russia's crimes in perspective, and it helps to see which sources are just US propoganda and which are genuinly upset. Guardian, for example, was genuinly upset at US war crimes, and Russian ones. That means it's likely to be more objective than, say, CNN which likes US comitting war crimes and is pretty pro-US war. Guardian is still liberal shithole of a newspaper, sure, but it's helpful.

War crimes are horrible, but sadly common for big nations. Maybe that's just me being cynical, but when I compare the crimes, part is for reasons I mentioned before, sure, and the other part is just me looking if this is normal war crime, or has Russia gone beyond.

I agree, both US and Russia (and other European, and not, nations) need to be condemned, but this massive focus on Russia (from sources that have lied about a lot in this war (Russia is guilty of that too) ) threatens to not only remove Russia's actions from the bigger picture, as well as creating a massive hatred for a Russian person, not the Russian government. Such hatreds historically never turned out well, and will either (at best) serve to confirm to the Russian people the lies they have been likely told by Putin (about the West wishing to destroy them) or (at worst) create another treaty of versailles situation. People do not learn from history, sadly.

Of course, it's easy for me to say all this, I have almost no stake in the conflict. Maybe if I were in danger, I'd wish the destruction of the Russian people. Who knows.
The difference is, modern America commits war crimes by accident, and the Russians are committing war crimes by design. It's the difference between the team-killing fuckwadd in a video game, and the guy who accidentally snipes his allies when he's trying to snipe the enemy.

There's a massive world of difference between "oops, 1 out of 10 of our targets happened to be civvies" and "let's go fucking kill civilians to break the enemy's morale!" The former is an error that's the result of the fog of war, the latter is an obvious war crime. Trying to compare the two and make them equivalents is inherently fallacious and misleading.

Also, we don't hate the Russian people. We hate the Russian government, which decided to act this way. Most people in this forum piling hatred on Russia feel nothing but sympathy for the average Russian who can't even enjoy the same rights we do. Americans can chant "Let's Go Brandon" in front of the camera, as an open "FUCK YOU" to the current president, and not get arrested; if they tried that shit against Putin in Russia, they're fucked. And the fact that many are protesting against Putin goes to show that many don't believe the lies Putin told them. Half the reason why we hate the Russian leadership now is because of their despicable treatment of their own people and their own soldiers.

Trying to equate this to racial hatred of Russians the same way WW1 America hated Germans is also fallacious and misleading.
 


Too many people die, but in the vast vast majority of cases it's clear the US isn't intentionally targeting the civilian population.
I'm sorry, but after the shit they did in afganistan and iraq, or hell, even vietnam, It's hard to believe. If we also factor in the huge amount of US-backed Military coups (sucessful or not) and CIA's human experimentation of military personel, pow's, and civilians, and I don't know, man, maybe I am just to cynical about this shit. Despite all that, I do like US more, and I hope if conflict comes (I hope it does not) to US, I hope US wins.
 
I'm sorry, but after the shit they did in afganistan and iraq, or hell, even vietnam, It's hard to believe. If we also factor in the huge amount of US-backed Military coups (sucessful or not) and CIA's human experimentation of military personel, pow's, and civilians, and I don't know, man, maybe I am just to cynical about this shit. Despite all that, I do like US more, and I hope if conflict comes (I hope it does not) to US, I hope US wins.
Again, those are mostly mistakes. Humans make mistakes. If the Russians were also making mistakes and hitting civilian targets by accident, and most of their strikes hit the military bases, I'd understand it, too. But ever since the beginning of the war, they've been hitting civilian targets, and they're focusing more on them than the military targets especially since the military targets are now too well-armed thanks to Ukraine's NATO buddies. So yes, that's the difference between a mistake and an obvious war crime; America runs a war sloppy and gets a good number of civilians killed, Russia is targeting civilians on purpose because they've lost the conventional war and they need to break morale.

Although obviously, it isn't working. For every dead Ukrainian civilian, the Ukrainians just want to fight harder even more.
 
I just saw some propaganda mouthpiece on Russian TV try to convince everyone that Ukrainians are disorganized and "special military operation" is stalling only because they refuse to accept reality that it's over for them, and that they were already liberated. Something to that effect.
It's like another fucking reality altogether out there.
Just journalists, like in every other country, doing their jobs.
 
I just saw some propaganda mouthpiece on Russian TV try to convince everyone that Ukrainians are disorganized and "special military operation" is stalling only because they refuse to accept reality that it's over for them, and that they were already liberated. Something to that effect.
It's like another fucking reality altogether out there.
And isn't it surprising that Russians are buying VPNs because they know what the government says is bullshit?

 
Again, those are mostly mistakes. Humans make mistakes. If the Russians were also making mistakes and hitting civilian targets by accident, and most of their strikes hit the military bases, I'd understand it, too. But ever since the beginning of the war, they've been hitting civilian targets, and they're focusing more on them than the military targets especially since the military targets are now too well-armed thanks to Ukraine's NATO buddies. So yes, that's the difference between a mistake and an obvious war crime; America runs a war sloppy and gets a good number of civilians killed, Russia is targeting civilians on purpose because they've lost the conventional war and they need to break morale.
US leadership (the politicians) want nothing more than to throw endless amount of soldiers or civilians to their created never-ending war. I can't view that in any positive light. In regards to mistakes, yes US has made some, and yet they have bombed civilians on purpose too (or gassed them for that matter) (or mass raped and tortured pows) (or gunned them down) (poisoined them via radiation). Some of the things they did count as a war crime whatever or not they are used on civilians.

I hope you are right, though, and US has left its dark past behind, and all the recent problems are accidents.
 
US leadership (the politicians) want nothing more than to throw endless amount of soldiers or civilians to their created never-ending war. I can't view that in any positive light. In regards to mistakes, yes US has made some, and yet they have bombed civilians on purpose too (or gassed them for that matter) (or mass raped and tortured pows) (or gunned them down) (poisoined them via radiation). Some of the things they did count as a war crime whatever or not they are used on civilians.

I hope you are right, though, and US has left its dark past behind, and all the recent problems are accidents.
Depends. Quite a number of politicians made some big gains in congress by bitching about casualties in war. Usually, the opposition party of whoever's in charge.

So if Republicans are running a war, the Democrats will bitch about American casualties. When, in this case, the Democrats want a war, the Republicans will bitch about potential American casualties.
 
Yeah the Starstreaks are going to be the Javelin-game-changing equivalent. Still technically "defensive" weapons platforms but fuck me thats going to fuck some shit up.

The Star Streaks can hit Mach 4 and are the fastest MANPADS in use. They were quite literally designed to fuck up Russian aircraft hitting afterburner.

We've probably sent them out there to check they definitely work.
Doesn't use of those missiles require training and time the latter something the Ukrainians are running out of?

It would take a week for an active military unit to learn how to use that system competently.
 
So if Republicans are running a war, the Democrats will bitch about American casualties. When, in this case, the Democrats want a war, the Republicans will bitch about potential American casualties.
And I hate that. I hate that our lives are merely a poitical bitching devices for those god-damned politicians to use and then discard.
 
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