Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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In hindsight I think not getting the government out of Kyiv is going to turn out to be the decision that bites them in the ass.
Tbh I feel like the government in Kyiv is pretty much the only thing preventing Ukraine from collapsing as it is. Ukraine with the 'capital' of Lviv would be the beginning of the end because it'd leave Russians free access to the actual capital which would be a MAJOR conquest in the war, plus moving the government out of Kiev would naturally require a decent amount of troops to accompany them (splitting everything up and creating easier to defeat armies), otherwise you're just completely leaving Lviv open for the taking after Kiev falls. Turtling within Kiev is a stupid move but basically means that Russia has to commit some really hideous attacks in order to take Kiev and it's in Russia's best interests to capture Ukraine as 'cleanly' as possible so a future government can run things with minimal turnaround.

Under no circumstance does Russia want to accidentally shell Zelensky, their perfect 'win' requires either Zelensky surrendering or being captured alive and given a 'fair' trial.

It's actually a solid plan by Zelensky if it works, he's basically baiting Russia into committing horrific war crimes if they want to take Ukraine. It's stupid, suicidal, and puts regular Ukrainians more at risk of getting killed but it creates a stalemate that might last long enough for the Ukrainians to beg Zelensky to surrender, making him look like a hero who begrugingly accepted whatever it takes to stop the bloodshed.
 
Tbh I feel like the government in Kyiv is pretty much the only thing preventing Ukraine from collapsing as it is. Ukraine with the 'capital' of Lviv would be the beginning of the end because it'd leave Russians free access to the actual capital which would be a MAJOR conquest in the war, plus moving the government out of Kiev would naturally require a decent amount of troops to accompany them (splitting everything up and creating easier to defeat armies), otherwise you're just completely leaving Lviv open for the taking after Kiev falls. Turtling within Kiev is a stupid move but basically means that Russia has to commit some really hideous attacks in order to take Kiev and it's in Russia's best interests to capture Ukraine as 'cleanly' as possible so a future government can run things with minimal turnaround.

Under no circumstance does Russia want to accidentally shell Zelensky, their perfect 'win' requires either Zelensky surrendering or being captured alive and given a 'fair' trial.

It's actually a solid plan by Zelensky if it works, he's basically baiting Russia into committing horrific war crimes if they want to take Ukraine. It's stupid, suicidal, and puts regular Ukrainians more at risk of getting killed but it creates a stalemate that might last long enough for the Ukrainians to beg Zelensky to surrender, making him look like a hero who begrugingly accepted whatever it takes to stop the bloodshed.

Why would (((Zelensky))) care about regular ukrainians?
 
Probably someone has already posted about this and i missed it, but it seems like USA has sent poland some patriot missiles, which have an effective range of about 200km.
This is probably the burger way of saying "yeah, bomb ukraine all you want, but don't you dare bomb NATO territory". Which i find rather odd after they denied the whole polish planes deal. But who the hell understands the burger government anyways.

Some sperging because i'm bored.

A no fly zone wouldn’t stop Russia from using their artillery units able to hit a target accurate to within a meter at a distance of 70 km like that.
It also wouldn’t stop the carpet bombing of civilian areas either
This idea that Ukraine could be saved by a no fly zone really makes no sense. Even if they were to shoot down all the planes the Russians could still hit them with artillery.
The problem is that in any war since the 1980s there is such advanced capability to shoot down planes. Russia can even shoot them down from outside of Ukraine from Belarus. They would have to take out all the ground to air missile systems. The no fly zone couldn’t stop artillery and it also couldn’t stop a drone once it is launched.
Let's not also talk about the implications of NATO forces (aka, burgers) shooting down russian planes and how that would practically send us all straight into ww3, which is the biggest turn off and why NATO hasn't done it yet.
 
Tbh I feel like the government in Kyiv is pretty much the only thing preventing Ukraine from collapsing as it is. Ukraine with the 'capital' of Lviv would be the beginning of the end because it'd leave Russians free access to the actual capital which would be a MAJOR conquest in the war, plus moving the government out of Kiev would naturally require a decent amount of troops to accompany them (splitting everything up and creating easier to defeat armies), otherwise you're just completely leaving Lviv open for the taking after Kiev falls. Turtling within Kiev is a stupid move but basically means that Russia has to commit some really hideous attacks in order to take Kiev and it's in Russia's best interests to capture Ukraine as 'cleanly' as possible so a future government can run things with minimal turnaround.

Under no circumstance does Russia want to accidentally shell Zelensky, their perfect 'win' requires either Zelensky surrendering or being captured alive and given a 'fair' trial.

It's actually a solid plan by Zelensky if it works, he's basically baiting Russia into committing horrific war crimes if they want to take Ukraine. It's stupid, suicidal, and puts regular Ukrainians more at risk of getting killed but it creates a stalemate that might last long enough for the Ukrainians to beg Zelensky to surrender, making him look like a hero who begrugingly accepted whatever it takes to stop the bloodshed.
Zelensky's been hiding in Poland since the second day of the war, hasn't he?
 
I can't see any potential future problems from us throwing tons of Javelin and Starstreak launchers into an area known for crime and with ties to the middle east.

I'm sure those definitely won't be used to shoot at US planes and tanks within a couple years...
If you are worried about a large supply of US military hardware being dumped in the middle east I've got terrible news about Afghanistan.
 
I was recently thinking about why some Ukrainians would wear blue armbands. The answer (which I should've known earlier) is that they're used for Azov troops.

Here's a video of Azovs in the basement of a school in Cheremushky, Mariupol (link).





So, to recap:

Red armbands = DPR
White armbands = Russian
Yellow armbands = Ukrainian
Blue armbands = Ukrainian (Azov)
 
Why would (((Zelensky))) care about regular ukrainians?
The whole thing is PR. The moment tanks rolled in Zelensky was fucked because he's not a leader equipped for a huge war like that, but at the same time he couldn't just surrender right away, his basic aim was to try and force enough civillians to fight so the bloodshed looked horrible and Russia would give up if the world gave enough thumbs down emojis. The moment it appeared that Russia doesn't give a shit about shooting a farmer in the head if they were holding a gun the game was up. Now it's a case of hunkering down and trying to throw enough bodies at the Russians until the population goes "enough is enough", at which case he can surrender without looking like a hideous coward.

I still believe that he's actually hiding outside of Kiev considering how often he's on weblinks in really bare rooms. Notice how he doesn't seem to be out and about on the streets of doing passionate speeches anymore.
 
Drove by a few gas stations on my way home from an appointment today. Gas has definitely gone up here over this Ukraine thing and banning imports from Russia - around $4.30 a gallon for regular. That's not as bad as say California, but still...
 
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impossible to find out really
according to russia every building ever hit by a russian shell or rocket was an azov base where they were storing weapons and canisters of zyklon-b, while according to ukraine all these buildings were schools, hospitals, cancer wards and orphanages
So it's the same kind of spin from the Rhodesian Bush War where every terrorist base was a UN-registered refugee base and every Rhodesian military outpost was a civilian area.

Also gas update, in Northern Ontario Diesel a little above $2 per litre and gas is around $1.89. In burgerland prices that's $6 and $5.60 per gallon respectively.
 
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Remember Dieppe. The Chinese have ZERO combined-arms operational experience more recent than 1979. This is something that takes a great deal of practice. China doesn't do it. They're still trying to figure out how to effectively use their carrier. Would expect Taiwanese/US submarines to feast on Chinese ships.
One thing to consider about it. The US is re-making the Marine Corps because of an internal military conclusion that traditional amphibious warfare and landings are obsolete. That anyone attempting them, in particular against Today's China, would see their forces utterly destroyed.
The Chinese themselves know about that analysis and those conclusions. The Chinese don't have to go the traditional route in terms a large combined arms landing on Taiwan. What if, for example, they simply embark on a campaign of reducing the place to rubble for as long as it takes until the government in Taiwan gives up? Is destroying the air defense system and the Taiwanese air force within the capabilities of China?
 
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I can't see any potential future problems from us throwing tons of Javelin and Starstreak launchers into an area known for crime and with ties to the middle east.

I'm sure those definitely won't be used to shoot at US planes and tanks within a couple years...
Seems like a while back there was a no Stingers rule because they'd end up shot at US comercial airliners but if that what it takes to save Barisma
 
The existence of a Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Agency is fraud scheme all it's own.
The Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Agency would be more appropriately known as the "Ukrainian Anti-Competition Agency". The agency basically exists to use the law to punish whoever the current political or economic enemies of the Oligarchs who run the country are. Anyone who doesn't do what they are told gets charged with "corruption" and put into a long fight with the government.
 
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