Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Walrus and Carpenter]

Trump was ineffective at stopping riots. Sad when Trudeau settled a bunch of bad ass truckers in 3 weeks flat.

You suck at this. Post better bait.

 

[Strix454]

The US president has limited authority to end national unrest.

The US system also has no mechanism comparable to Canada's concept of an emergency where all the rights in the constitution can simply be suspended by the government.

 

[Übertroon]

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/3280369-maasikas-ukraine-has-deposits-of-21-raw-materials-critical-to-eu.html

Not saying that Russia have invaded Ukraine for rare earth, but they do have natural resources.

I mean of course the Ukrainians will claim they have "critical resources" that the EU needs as a way of getting into the EU. But do you notice how they don't list what those resources are? Likely because it's shit you can find anywhere else.
"Oh my god. They're sitting on coal deposits"
Yes, together with most of Europe. I seriously doubt that Ukraine has a resource that you can't find in higher abundance within the rest of the EU or in Russia.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

All of the protests were organized by agents provocateurs who'd been trained by NGOs like CANVAS, the National Endowment for Democracy, and Soros' Open Society Foundations, with the coordination of the US State Department, which cooperates with the CIA on all of this.

https://themillenniumreport.com/2016/08/middle-east-the-cia-operating-behind-a-web-of-pro-democracy-ngos/

It was basically the opposite of COINTELPRO; rather than dismantling activist groups, they created them from scratch. Weaponized social media was a significant part of it. Well over a decade ago, the US Intelligence Community already had access to tools that could be used to produce and control a plethora of sock puppets over multiple social media services.

Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda

www.theguardian.com

These tools were undoubtedly used to spread propaganda that would instigate revolution in the targeted countries. From the comfort of Langley, Virginia, they puppeteered hundreds of fake accounts of guys named Abdul and Kasem and told them exactly which street corners to wave signs on. I realized this well over a decade ago, as I was watching it in real time on the damn television. The media kept going on about how protests and riots in the Middle East were being coordinated over social media, and my first, instant gut reaction was that those were glowie socks, and that if they could do it in Libya, they could do it anywhere.

Why did they target Gaddafi? Because Libya was about to dump the US Dollar as a reserve currency, and that would have made the Rothschilds very mad. Why did they target Assad? Because they wanted a pipeline to bypass Russia, and Lebensraum for Israel. Why did they target Mubarak? Because he was old and he knew too much, and they wanted to pick another puppet to replace him before he keeled over.


Islamic radicals are literally the CIA. ISIS was a joint CIA and Mossad honeypot operation. Why do you think their leaders apologized for accidentally crossing into the Golan Heights?

https://www.newsweek.com/isis-fighters-regret-attacking-israel-apologize-defense-minister-591020

That's because they know where their bread is buttered.

I mean, its astounding how quickly zomers forget:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-created-cuban-social-media-network-attempt-stir-unrest

 

[Drain Todger]

"liberalization" is a lie anyway. You get away with way more sketchy shit in "fascist" nations such as China. The only benefit the "liberal" nations had was being more stable and consistent. No fear of some government stooge using his authority to fuck your shit up because he doesn't like your face. But shit like the pandemic response and people having their bank accounts frozen for not supporting government policy shows that there is no distinction anymore

Stable and consistent? More like complacent. A vast number of people have been hoodwinked into thinking that the neoliberal world order is actually a good thing, and that bringing "democracy" to people who don't want it is a noble endeavor. A substantial percentage of the population have been taken by a scam. A confidence trick. Thanks to years of public schooling and media brainwashing, they actually believe that democracy is a real thing. Never mind that the Elites can manipulate search engine results and spoon-feed people garbage using their controlled media to sway public opinion about their hand-picked candidates, or even manipulate votes directly. There's an abstract notion that something called democracy exists, and that it's worth fighting and dying for, and that democratic governments are inherently better than despotic ones.

I don't see democracies and dictatorships. All I see are innocent people, captives of their respective states, caged like animals and forced to kill each other on a whim.

 

[Strix454]

Nobody got shot and nobody even needed to get pepper sprayed or tear gassed, it was probably the most civil deconstruction of a protest I have seen in a while. Look up Portland 2019/2020 footage. Y'all are overblowing it.

You seem to be intentionally derailing the thread now. If you are so wet to preach about Trump, you should probably go somewhere else.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

you ever wonder how china went from near dead communists to a leader in spy’s just blame the CIA and Nixon. Just another rouge glowie op.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/16/1081086703/the-great-wager-ep-4-shared-secrets

(NPR but it’s pretty good info)

Nixon wasn't alone, I think Kissinger also played a role in this as well and more trivia, Justin Trudeau's dad Pierre taked the side of the CCP before Nixon.

 

[Narcotics]

My shitty twitter feed finally caught up to potato joe's "threaten nato and hell gets loose", lots of memes so far, some funny some cringe.
I saw this comment and i thought it was interesting:

"How can you avoid conflicts when one side has a tyrant who decided to sacrify his country's economy while bullying countries into nuclear submission and the other has a senile grandpa who has to be instructed on what to say and has to be reminded where is the exit, and both of them are under control of more than half of the worlds nukes?

In my own faggot opinion, i don't think russia will engage NATO territory, it would be suicide. Instead i think that ww3 won't be nuclear (assuming burgers don't drag us in with a falseflag), it will be economical, the price of everything will be so absurdly high that thousands, if not millions around the globe will fall into such a poverty that it will hurt more in the long run.

 

[MidUSA]

Well it actually does seem that the Russians have more vehicles than the Ukrainians have missiles, but at this point I have to question the value of the whole affair. Day 1 the Russophiles were pretty adamant that this was all worth it and that they would sacrifice thousands of slavs to bring Ukraine under Russian control, but if they still believe that then they're blind to the actual cost of the conflict. One person suggested that Ukraine is rich in natural resources, which is completely laughable. The only resource in Ukraine is agriculture, and the Russians have plenty of unused agricultural land themselves. It would have been far b

I mean of course the Ukrainians will claim they have "critical resources" that the EU needs as a way of getting into the EU. But do you notice how they don't list what those resources are? Likely because it's shit you can find anywhere else.
"Oh my god. They're sitting on coal deposits"
Yes, together with most of Europe. I seriously doubt that Ukraine has a resource that you can't find in higher abundance within the rest of the EU or in Russia.

Ukraine has not insignificant deposits of oil and natural gas. Much of it untapped and much of it is in the waters outside Crimea and the eastern breakaway provinces. Even though Russia has lots of oil and gas, having Ukraine compete with them for the Euro market is obviously not a good thing for russia. Especially considering Russias primary delivery pipelines goes through Ukraine.

I reckon this is Russias primary economic reason for the invasion. Aside from the military strategic vulnerability of losing Ukraine as a buffert in a potental direct conflict with NATO.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/3280369-maasikas-ukraine-has-deposits-of-21-raw-materials-critical-to-eu.html

Not saying that Russia have invaded Ukraine for rare earth, but they do have natural resources.

Ah, it's the "rare earth" thing again.

Ukraine has deposits of 21 rare earth elements from the EU’s list of 30 critical raw materials

Rare earths aren't rare. They're low volume by-products of other types of mining. Mining has been on the shit list of environmental regulators in Western countries for decades, so a lot of it has been offshored to countries that literally have no environmental standards. There's been a lot of scare stories about the nefarious Chinese hoarding rare earths and whatnot, but they aren't. They're just willing to mine for resources in order to have stuff to sell. There's plenty of rare earths in the USA, UK, France, Germany and so on if they're prepared to extract them from the ground.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Ukraine Militia attack Russian column in Sumy.

Based Bayraktar Drone Strike on Russian Supply in Oblast Region.

 

[KingElizabeth]

Consider how psychopathically hostile the reaction has been to the Russian invasion ( whether justified, or not ), every possible tool turned into a weapon from the financial system to social media to the internet itself, how every traditionally neutral body that stays away from politics, everything that usually has been apolitical, has become political and anti-Russian ( in very much the same way how every brand, every 'thing' had to vehemently demonstrate how they LOVE George Floyd and #BLM #Antifa #ACAB more than their neighbour ), and now this bullshit with biolabs in Ukraine, knowing there are some kind of ties between that country and Hunter/Joe, hearing that allegedly Russia found enriched uranium for weapon programs, all those videos from years ago about how NATO absolutely MUST station troops, nuclear missiles, and bases as close to Russia's borders as possible, etc, etc, etc.

Purely from that point of view, how much worse would Russia be, if they waited another year or three? What kind of shady shit would have happened, just how much more weapons systems would have been delivered to the Ukes, if they waited just a few more years? At this point it's beyond a reasonable doubt that United States have been meddling with the country in every sector, especially military. Every year there would be some kind of major sabre rattling with Russia, the people in charge have clearly been salivating over the thought of a war with Russia, they wouldn't be spreading such vitriolic propaganda, getting foreign citizens to sign up to kill/die over a foreigh patch of dirt we're not even allied with.

Something would have boiled over sooner or later, I am absolutely certain. And the only tears being shed, is the tears of regret that the Russians struck first.

 

[Reporterward]

If you think the CIA glowies an agency famous for having their schemes back fire in Americas face and creating worse problems for every other 3 letter and themselves are fucking competent then I have a bridge to sell you.

Sadly the bridge he is selling you is in Serbia and got bombed by NATO air forces.

 

[Übertroon]

Ukraine has not insignificant deposits of oil and natural gas. Much of it untapped and much of it is in the waters outside Crimea and the eastern breakaway provinces. Even though Russia has lots of oil and gas, having Ukraine compete with them for the Euro market is obviously not a good thing for russia. Especially considering Russias primary delivery pipelines goes through Ukraine.

I reckon this is Russias primary economic reason for the invasion. Aside from the military strategic vulnerability of losing Ukraine as a buffert in a potental direct conflict with NATO.

Ukraine has 395,000,000 of barrels of oil in discovered reserves, which sounds like a lot, until you learn that Denmark has 551,000,000 barrels, Italy has 579,232,000, Romania has 600,000,000 barrels, the UK has 2,754,685,000 barrels, Norway has 5,138,767,000 Barrels. There are way more nations in Europe to exploit for oil and gas in the Euro market that don't require setting up shop in a unstable part of Europe

 

[Generic Retard]

Theory that Putin has detached himself from the world through Covid isolation so much that he is now an erratic ruler.
(Apparently people had to severely quarantine in special hotels before meeting Putin etc.)

 

[Just Another Apocalypse]

I mean of course the Ukrainians will claim they have "critical resources" that the EU needs as a way of getting into the EU. But do you notice how they don't list what those resources are? Likely because it's shit you can find anywhere else.
"Oh my god. They're sitting on coal deposits"
Yes, together with most of Europe. I seriously doubt that Ukraine has a resource that you can't find in higher abundance within the rest of the EU or in Russia.

http://wdc.org.ua/atlas/en/4040100.html

They do. It isn't a claim. Also, I did say that I wasn't saying that was the reason Russia invaded.

"Ukraine has a rich profusion of mineral resources and belongs to major countries with abounding mineral resources. It has 20 000 of surveyed deposits and ore-bearing sites comprising 97 types of minerals. Over 8 000 deposits were proven and almost half of them are being mined now. The most important raw materials are as follows: iron, manganese, uranium, titanic, and zirconium ores, coal, gas, oil and condensate, kaolin, graphite, non-metallic raw material for metallurgy, facing stone, and mineral water.

In the early 90s these mineral deposits provided 23–25% of GNP and one third of export exchange earnings. The extraction and use of minerals provided for 48% of industrial potential of the country and up to 20% of its labor force; there were 400 mines, 1 100 quarries, dozens of ore mining and processing enterprises, gas-and-oil producing complexes. The value of mineral resource industry output made 20.1 bln USA in 1990. Today the mineral resources provide for 42% of GDP and 60% of export earnings. The assessed value of the main proved deposits of minerals exceeds 7.5 trillion USA, or 150 ths USA per head."

Rare earths aren't rare.

But they are a resource, which is the point I was making. The rest of your post was just bollocks.

 

[Aidan]

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Any Russian speakers able to comment on the Chinese dude's accent? He seems to enunciate well to the point I can hear each word, even if I don't know most of them. Not what I'd expect from a Chinaman as their English accents are often very thick.
Just curious if it's blissful ignorance on my part or his accent isn't that bad.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

A question, Russia says it entered a war because it can't have NATO members on its borders. But if they conquer Ukraine wouldn't that mean that the neighboring countries that are part of NATO are now a target for invasion?

 

[RiverFalcon]

A question, Russia says it entered a war because it can't have NATO members on its borders. But if they conquer Ukraine wouldn't that mean that the neighboring countries that are part of NATO are now a target for invasion?

My understanding is that Russia does not want NATO members within a certain distance of Moscow, not necessarily Russian borders

 

[Strix454]

Ukraine has 395,000,000 of barrels of oil in discovered reserves, which sounds like a lot, until you learn that Denmark has 551,000,000 barrels, Italy has 579,232,000, Romania has 600,000,000 barrels, the UK has 2,754,685,000 barrels, Norway has 5,138,767,000 Barrels. There are way more nations in Europe to exploit for oil and gas in the Euro market that don't require setting up shop in a unstable part of Europe

Ukraine does produce oil. But not enough to even meet its own needs. There is no real potential for oil export from the country.