Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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And might have entertained the possibility that Putin will not glass America if America tries to invade Russia
Who the fuck said this, nobody is trying to invade Russia it hasn't happened since they acquired nukes. Russia is safe from invasion. Nobody wanted a war against Russia until they threatened the west with Nukes.
 
What thee actual fuck?

This guy was killed in 2009 trying to war everyone about the Biolabs in Ukraine preparing bioweapons



Sounds like a Coast to Coast w/ Art Bell segment.
Anything mentioning Ukrainian biolabs pre-2014 is suddenly much more interesting, that's for sure. This is probably a dead end by now though.
 
Who the fuck said this, nobody is trying to invade Russia it hasn't happened since they acquired nukes. Russia is safe from invasion. Nobody wanted a war against Russia until they threatened the west with Nukes.
When did Russia threaten the west with nukes?

Before or after Biden and Congress kept on and keep on issuing threats that they want Putin dead and keep on blaming him for rigging a presidential election and want Ukraine to be a vassal for Uncle Sam.
 
To get this cleared beforehand, I will post my biases. I generally hope that Russia will choke on Ukraine. The relationship between Russia and the US is far too poisoned now for any sort of anti-Chinese alliance to happen within a generation. All that said, Ukraine *is* losing, be how much and how hard is very difficult to determine, and in my own personal opinion, the situation looks extremely grim for the Ukrainian state.

I'm going to post much of what we can really can and have learned about the war and technical capabilities. Which is to say, not very much.

We have an extremely hard time judging Russian performance because of several factors:
1. Russian OPSEC being extremely tight for front/war footage. A person can tell a great difference between main Russian forces and the breakaway republic forces by the gulf of informational difference being put out by the two groups.
2. We don't know original and current Russian war aims. Any claim of "the Russians are performing well below their own expectations" is (at best) unverifiable.
3. It's a fucking ongoing war. The only people who are going to have a decent idea of what is going on is the respective force commanders, and even they are going to be getting a seriously flawed picture of both their own, and enemy forces.

So what can we glean?

1. The Javelin seems to penetrate every piece of armor it has successfully hit. Infantry carried weapons have utility against even the heaviest armor.

2. Drone warfare capabilities seem to outstrip capabilities of shooting them down. This is not a problem unique to Russia by any means. The Saudi's being equipped quite well with US AA systems have had quite a bit of trouble with drones relatively primitive drones. The Israelis have some issues as well despite having the densest, most advances air-defense in the middle east, against 70s era tech Iranian drones.

3. Helicopter gunships of the Mi-* series seem to be increasingly outmoded and irrelevant deathtraps for the combat roll. It seems like they have been effectively grounded on both sides because of the strong SHORAD capabilities of both sides.

4.Russian heavy forces still made up of upgraded mid-late cold war equipment. This really doesn't surprise, as much the overwhelming amount of the Russian defense budget for the better part of the last decade went to updating and upgrading Russian nuclear capabilities. The remaining budget couldn't cover the cost of both large scale production of new equipment and maintaining force readiness. It reminds me a lot of the 1970s US "Hollow Force" problems.

5. Given the near complete lack of propaganda footage of Ukrainian armored forces, it appears safe to assume that their armored forces have been largely irrelevant or performing very poorly. Also rather expected, Tanks don't do well if you don't have the capability to heavily contest the air-war.

6.Despite heavy Russian air advantage, Ukrainian drone capabilities seem able to continue operations at some level.

7. Russian doctrine and military still rely heavily upon artillery capability and support.

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Beyond the above, what do we know? not much, and even the above is quite subject to change.
 
To get this cleared beforehand, I will post my biases. I generally hope that Russia will choke on Ukraine. The relationship between Russia and the US is far too poisoned now for any sort of anti-Chinese alliance to happen within a generation. All that said, Ukraine *is* losing, be how much and how hard is very difficult to determine, and in my own personal opinion, the situation looks extremely grim for the Ukrainian state.

I'm going to post much of what we can really can and have learned about the war and technical capabilities. Which is to say, not very much.

We have an extremely hard time judging Russian performance because of several factors:
1. Russian OPSEC being extremely tight for front/war footage. A person can tell a great difference between main Russian forces and the breakaway republic forces by the gulf of informational difference being put out by the two groups.
2. We don't know original and current Russian war aims. Any claim of "the Russians are performing well below their own expectations" is (at best) unverifiable.
3. It's a fucking ongoing war. The only people who are going to have a decent idea of what is going on is the respective force commanders, and even they are going to be getting a seriously flawed picture of both their own, and enemy forces.

So what can we glean?

1. The Javelin seems to penetrate every piece of armor it has successfully hit. Infantry carried weapons have utility against even the heaviest armor.

2. Drone warfare capabilities seem to outstrip capabilities of shooting them down. This is not a problem unique to Russia by any means. The Saudi's being equipped quite well with US AA systems have had quite a bit of trouble with drones relatively primitive drones. The Israelis have some issues as well despite having the densest, most advances air-defense in the middle east, against 70s era tech Iranian drones.

3. Helicopter gunships of the Mi-* series seem to be increasingly outmoded and irrelevant deathtraps for the combat roll. It seems like they have been effectively grounded on both sides because of the strong SHORAD capabilities of both sides.

4.Russian heavy forces still made up of upgraded mid-late cold war equipment. This really doesn't surprise, as much the overwhelming amount of the Russian defense budget for the better part of the last decade went to updating and upgrading Russian nuclear capabilities. The remaining budget couldn't cover the cost of both large scale production of new equipment and maintaining force readiness. It reminds me a lot of the 1970s US "Hollow Force" problems.

5. Given the near complete lack of propaganda footage of Ukrainian armored forces, it appears safe to assume that their armored forces have been largely irrelevant or performing very poorly. Also rather expected, Tanks don't do well if you don't have the capability to heavily contest the air-war.

6.Despite heavy Russian air advantage, Ukrainian drone capabilities seem able to continue operations at some level.

7. Russian doctrine and military still rely heavily upon artillery capability and support.

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Beyond the above, what do we know? not much, and even the above is quite subject to change.

To add - Russian logistics is pretty sufficiently Slav backwater-y. The little Z Scooby Doo van got memed to death but for real, their direct supply lines being made up of Cold War era trucks that have been subject to some light but effective raids is a black mark on their record so far. Ukraine isn't using IEDs or landmines (yet?) but if they did, the Russians wouldn't exactly have the equipment to clear like the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Would be curious to see what Russian EOD looks like but I don't think they brought any out here.
 
To add - Russian logistics is pretty sufficiently Slav backwater-y. The little Z Scooby Doo van got memed to death but for real, their direct supply lines being made up of Cold War era trucks that have been subject to some light but effective raids is a black mark on their record so far. Ukraine isn't using IEDs or landmines (yet?) but if they did, the Russians wouldn't exactly have the equipment to clear like the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Would be curious to see what Russian EOD looks like but I don't think they brought any out here.
Must suck as an armored regiment in the Russian Army right now, either stay on hard road and get ambushed or detour and get stuck in the mud. No wonder there is so many abandoned tanks and APC's. probably the worst time to attack, in the spring.
 
Helicopter gunships of the Mi-* series seem to be increasingly outmoded and irrelevant deathtraps for the combat roll. It seems like they have been effectively grounded on both sides because of the strong SHORAD capabilities of both sides.
We're going to have to wait and see on this one IMO. While true their gunship fleets have been largely grounded (if available video is anything to go by), it seems a lot like the debate regarding MBT use following Afghanistan and Iraq right now - i.e. too many countermeasures, not enough room to justify further use.

Like tanks I suspect they'll find an updated niche as the other side of the arms race coin catches up and new and improved countermeasures arise. They're the sort of weapon that if needed you want on hand because the moment your opponent lacks a suitable response they run roughshod over everything.
 
Is discussing the gas prices part of this thread?
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You might find it interesting that RaidForums, one of the biggest clearnet hacking forums got seized right after this popped off. It's alleged that the FBI is running a honeypot to harvest logins. I wonder if the US is trying to somehow impede Russian hackers from accessing information.


And now it begins....

In other news, Azovs got their base wrecked, and the military is hiding amongst civilians apparently. https://gab.com/ASBMilitary/posts/107940803385011923
 
To get this cleared beforehand, I will post my biases. I generally hope that Russia will choke on Ukraine. The relationship between Russia and the US is far too poisoned now for any sort of anti-Chinese alliance to happen within a generation. All that said, Ukraine *is* losing, be how much and how hard is very difficult to determine, and in my own personal opinion, the situation looks extremely grim for the Ukrainian state.

I'm going to post much of what we can really can and have learned about the war and technical capabilities. Which is to say, not very much.

We have an extremely hard time judging Russian performance because of several factors:
1. Russian OPSEC being extremely tight for front/war footage. A person can tell a great difference between main Russian forces and the breakaway republic forces by the gulf of informational difference being put out by the two groups.
2. We don't know original and current Russian war aims. Any claim of "the Russians are performing well below their own expectations" is (at best) unverifiable.
3. It's a fucking ongoing war. The only people who are going to have a decent idea of what is going on is the respective force commanders, and even they are going to be getting a seriously flawed picture of both their own, and enemy forces.

So what can we glean?

1. The Javelin seems to penetrate every piece of armor it has successfully hit. Infantry carried weapons have utility against even the heaviest armor.

2. Drone warfare capabilities seem to outstrip capabilities of shooting them down. This is not a problem unique to Russia by any means. The Saudi's being equipped quite well with US AA systems have had quite a bit of trouble with drones relatively primitive drones. The Israelis have some issues as well despite having the densest, most advances air-defense in the middle east, against 70s era tech Iranian drones.

3. Helicopter gunships of the Mi-* series seem to be increasingly outmoded and irrelevant deathtraps for the combat roll. It seems like they have been effectively grounded on both sides because of the strong SHORAD capabilities of both sides.

4.Russian heavy forces still made up of upgraded mid-late cold war equipment. This really doesn't surprise, as much the overwhelming amount of the Russian defense budget for the better part of the last decade went to updating and upgrading Russian nuclear capabilities. The remaining budget couldn't cover the cost of both large scale production of new equipment and maintaining force readiness. It reminds me a lot of the 1970s US "Hollow Force" problems.

5. Given the near complete lack of propaganda footage of Ukrainian armored forces, it appears safe to assume that their armored forces have been largely irrelevant or performing very poorly. Also rather expected, Tanks don't do well if you don't have the capability to heavily contest the air-war.

6.Despite heavy Russian air advantage, Ukrainian drone capabilities seem able to continue operations at some level.

7. Russian doctrine and military still rely heavily upon artillery capability and support.

_
Beyond the above, what do we know? not much, and even the above is quite subject to change.
1) The Ukrainian Army seems just about immobile. Everything seems to be set up around stand-and-fight in place warfare. Nothing ever seems to move much and they are always seemingly on the defensive everywhere.
2) Someone needs to explain why they were not given a whole lot more drone capability before the war. It seems in retrospect the obvious military aid and equipment to have given them in quantity.
3) The AA systems defending Ukraine seem to have been remarkably bad.
4) I have not seen alot of evidence of drones being used on the other side. One would have expected the Russians to be better equipped in that regard.
5) The Javelin is so effective that advancing with armored vehicles toward enemy positions is just about suicide. The tank has become obsolete. The only effective way to deal with heavy dug-in defensive positions is indirect artillery fire combined with drones as spotters.
6) The value of jet fighters for most countries has become very low. Its better to invest the money elsewhere on other things.
7) Convoy protection from drones is a very serious military issue that needs a good solution.

The biggest unknown on the Ukrainian side IMO is their supply situation. How well have they been able to carry out supply operations across the country since the start of hostilities. Are they able to carry it out?
 
Is discussing the gas prices part of this thread?
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It's a part of it, expect it to extended to more then gas though, cold war embargo's and sanctions are a big deal for everyone involved. Word to the wise save up your money just in case shit gets rough for a while, complaining won't fix it since we all have no choice.
1) The Ukrainian Army seems just about immobile. Everything seems to be set up around stand-and-fight in place warfare. Nothing ever seems to move much and they are always seemingly on the defensive everywhere.
2) Someone needs to explain why they were not given a whole lot more drone capability before the war. It seems in retrospect the obvious military aid and equipment to have given them in quantity.
3) The AA systems defending Ukraine seem to have been remarkably bad.
4) I have not seen alot of evidence of drones being used on the other side. One would have expected the Russians to be better equipped in that regard.
5) The Javelin is so effective that advancing with armored vehicles toward enemy positions is just about suicide. The tank has become obsolete. The only effective way to deal with heavy dug-in defensive positions is indirect artillery fire combined with drones as spotters.
6) The value of jet fighters for most countries has become very low. Its better to invest the money elsewhere on other things.
7) Convoy protection from drones is a very serious military issue that needs a good solution.

The biggest unknown on the Ukrainian side IMO is their supply situation. How well have they been able to carry out supply operations across the country since the start of hostilities. Are they able to carry it out?
This brick of text is the biggest cope I seen in this thread lmao.
 
China has done far better with a more underhanded approach to political influence rather than using force.
Gotta give a big red X just for this sentiment. The days of the underhanded Red Chinamen are over. Their foreign policy has been to wag their big fucking dick at every country to prove what a big powerful country China is, and it has pissed off a lot of countries. It's why they're angling to invade Taiwan instead of diplomatically integrating it. The way the CCP handled Hong Kong pretty much sank any potential of Taiwan reintegrating peacefully with the mainland for at least two decades, even with a mountain of bribes and favors.

And as for Russia, if (and this is a big if) Russia fosters domestic industries and allows some bottom-up entrepreneurship all these sanctions maybe one of the best things to happen to the Russian people. Russia is one of the few countries that could be near totally independent due to its size and natural resources. Instead of having American McDonalds, a bold gobnik can create a "McDoogals" which would keep capital within the Russian economy. Another gobnik could start an Addias knock off, a Russian like Huawei for electronics, ect. Even if they just turn to China for the manufacturing, it still keeps managerial soft capital within the country, which is lost whenever a Ruskie buys an iPhone or tracksuit.

Ironically the US is in a similar position to Russia (large country with abundant natural resources and industrial capacity), but the elites of both countries would rather have the big dick of global empire than letting their people thrive; though at least Russia limits their reach to their traditional stomping grounds of Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
 
This brick of text is the biggest cope I seen in this thread lmao.
I have to ask what you contribute by even being here. All you do is post the same message about 10 times an hour and try to make the thread about your personal drama rather than discussing the war. Yeah. Your the most special snowflake in Europe. I get that. But you are boring and have nothing to say.
 
1) The Ukrainian Army seems just about immobile. Everything seems to be set up around stand-and-fight in place warfare. Nothing ever seems to move much and they are always seemingly on the defensive everywhere.
2) Someone needs to explain why they were not given a whole lot more drone capability before the war. It seems in retrospect the obvious military aid and equipment to have given them in quantity.
3) The AA systems defending Ukraine seem to have been remarkably bad.
4) I have not seen alot of evidence of drones being used on the other side. One would have expected the Russians to be better equipped in that regard.
5) The Javelin is so effective that advancing with armored vehicles toward enemy positions is just about suicide. The tank has become obsolete. The only effective way to deal with heavy dug-in defensive positions is indirect artillery fire combined with drones as spotters.
6) The value of jet fighters for most countries has become very low. Its better to invest the money elsewhere on other things.
7) Convoy protection from drones is a very serious military issue that needs a good solution.

The biggest unknown on the Ukrainian side IMO is their supply situation. How well have they been able to carry out supply operations across the country since the start of hostilities. Are they able to carry it out?
Disagree on the AA part, AA isn't only meant to take down aircraft but is also supposed to serve as a deterrent to aircraft, if an AA system is forcing the enemy to use it's Airforce significantly less than it can, it's doing it's job, and the Russian Airforce has basically been MIA for the most part for the last week. A significant amount of the "bombings" seem to actually be artillery fire. The Stingers also seem to be just as much as a nightmare to Russian helicopters as they were to them in Afghanistan.
 
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