Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Feline Supremacist]

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Spoiler: Google Translate

Disabling Instagram in Russia

Hello

Since the leads of the social network Instagram, contrary to international law, for the first time in history and only against Russians allowed calls for violence, The Prosecutor General's Office decided to ban this social network in Russia.

Calls for violence against people united on the basis of a national community or citizenship are part of the offense characterized as “genocide”, what is prohibited by the 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, developed on the basis of consideration of the entire evidence base of Nazi criminals collected during the Nuremberg Tribunal.

We need to ensure the psychological health of citizens, primarily children and adolescents, protect them from harassment and insults online your account to other resources, including Russian social networks, Roskomnadzor provided time for the transition period. Instagram will stop working in Russia from 00:00 on March 14

Since Russia is a country with its own competitive Internet platforms, including social networks VK and Odnoklassniki, with coverage of tens of millions of users, we hope that your transition to these Internet environments will take place quickly, and in the future you will discover new opportunities for communication and business.

Roskompozor

TL;DR: It's official, Instagram is going the way of Facebook and Twitter in Russia.

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Putin doing the Lord's work, God bless him.

 

[Willie Thrills]

Ireland has been part of the UK/England in some form or another for almost 900 years. It has also been viewed as essential to British national security, as it offers rival powers an easy invasion route to mainland Britain. Most of the population speaks English and a substantial portion are of Anglo-Irish or Ulster Scots descent.

By your reasoning the Irish have no right to any national feeling and the UK would be justified in retaking the entire island, on the basis that we are the bigger power and we feel we need control over it.

Perhaps we could even apply this logic to the USA - it was a British colony after all, why does America deserve to have any national sentiment when it is historic British land, and was so for like 200 years?

I don't like this idea that Ukrainians don't have a right to national identity cuz Russia.

Nigger what the fuck, you should really check Irish history to see how those feelings developed over time.

Ireland wasn't always rebelling and Fenianism/strong Irish Republicanism comes and goes, depending on conditions at the time. Much of it is artificial, too, and infighting is more common than not.

 

[chainer]

Yeah I'm starting to fully accept that war is, at it's core, only about two angry nations competing for resources (i.e. land, oil, opium) and that any talk about ethnic or cultural differences are just rationalizations made after the fact. I should probably just drop this whole idea that conflict can be started by those things alone.

It's usually land, resources or religion.

 

[Hell on Earth]

Ukraine has enough gas in its borders to support Europe? Aren't they just the middleman for delivery?

They discovered trillions in natural gas in Donbass, Lviv and it's economic zone in the black sea in 2012 (probably one of the main reasons why the Russians took Crimea aside from strategic reasons)

Russia hoped to eliminate the middle man (Ukraine) by creating other pipelines but Ukraine has suddenly showed up with enough gas to nurture the whole of Europe and the middle man has become an energy adversary.

 

[Getting tard comed]

It's usually land, resources or religion.

Not religion btw. Everything else is kosher.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

Ukraine may be poor but it has the potential of being a serious threat to Russia's gas supremacy.

Europe suddenly doesn't need Russia for it's gas but instead they can get their gas from Ukraine instead.

This possible outcome since 2012 has always been a bigger shitshow than the inauguration of Nordstream 2.

Russia has exponentially more nat gas than Ukraine and can meet the demands of a continent. The problem is that their biggest pipeline runs straight across Ukraine.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

TL;DR: It's official, Instagram is going the way of Facebook and Twitter in Russia.

Instragam IS Facebook. So is Whatsapp. I can't believe people have fallen for the racically different interfaces by assuming it's all different companies involved.

I'd be VERY careful with what you share on any of those three sites (plus twitter) right now because they're identical.

 

[Delicious Diversity]

To avoid autistic arguments over whether the Irish constitute more of a distinct people than the Ukrainians, the right to national self-identification is contingent on power. Having an identity that entirely hinges on opposing your biggest neighbour, down to doing so militarily, is a bad idea, especially when your guarantor lives thousands of miles ago and that neighbour has nukes.

That has not been the case since WW2, and for good reason - defining national borders based on strength alone has caused two of the biggest wars the world has ever seen, and there has been a broad agreement that such devastation is not worth enduring for the sake of autistic map fetishes.

Also you are basically describing Russia there, not Ukraine. Russia seems to be opposed to Ukraine existing as a nation state, Putin himself has explicitly stated this in an essay last year and a speech last month; I have not seen any Ukrainian government officials saying Russia should not exist.

I agree Ukraine cannot rely on foreign protection, nor can it expect to defeat Russia in a conventional, let alone nuclear, war. But it can do what Finland did - make invasion and subsequent occupation extremely painful, and therefore politically not viable within Russia, and ultimately free itself.

It's been done countless times before in small countries occupied by great powers.

 

[Delicious Diversity]

Nigger what the fuck, you should really check Irish history to see how those feelings developed over time.

Ireland wasn't always rebelling and Fenianism/strong Irish Republicanism comes and goes, depending on conditions at the time. Much of it is artificial, too, and infighting is more common than not.

I'm well aware of the history, and ultimately that very long history lead to an independent Irish Republic. I'd be interested to hear how much you know of the history of Ukrainian nationalism.

 

[Hell on Earth]

Russia has exponentially more nat gas than Ukraine and can meet the demands of a continent. The problem is that their biggest pipeline runs straight across Ukraine.

It doesn't matter if Russia has more gas.

Europe understands that gas and oil are the only things that actively nurtures Russian power.

And relying on a vassal state like Ukraine for it's gas is vastly more preferable than Russia.

Plus, they hate Russia's guts in it's current form, of course they want an alternative source of gas to bring pain to Russia.

 

[H. Bergeron]

Russia has no interest in ruling over people that don't want them to rule over them.

That's adorable.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

That has not been the case since WW2, and for good reason - defining national borders based on strength alone has caused two of the biggest wars the world has ever seen, and there has been a broad agreement that such devastation is not worth enduring for the sake of autistic map fetishes.

Also you are basically describing Russia there, not Ukraine. Russia seems to be opposed to Ukraine existing as a nation state, Putin himself has explicitly stated this in an essay last year and a speech last month; I have not seen any Ukrainian government officials saying Russia should not exist.

I agree Ukraine cannot rely on foreign protection, nor can it expect to defeat Russia in a conventional, let alone nuclear, war. But it can do what Finland did - make invasion and subsequent occupation extremely painful, and therefore politically not viable within Russia, and ultimately free itself.

It's been done countless times before in small countries occupied by great powers.

In the last 30 years nations much further away from a great power have been changed on much more specious pretexts than long-time geographic and demographic belonging. That regime change doesn't include territorial annexation but de facto colonial rule and military presence doesn't change what's taken place. A nation state that, as Putin describes it and as you can tell from any given actual Ukrainian statement hinges on being an anti-Russia despite consisting chiefly of Russian speakers and being part of the Russian sphere of influence and that wants to be part of an anti-Russian pact, will not be tolerated by Russia. This isn't some new revelation, experts have been going on about it even when Yeltsin was still around. But yes, on the off chance Vlad cocks up the invasion beyond repair, neutrality through Finlandization could be on the cards if the Russian government hasn't collapsed by that point from going all-in and failing and is thus unable to enforce any kind of deal.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

It doesn't matter if Russia has more gas.

Europe understands that gas and oil are the only things that actively nurtures Russian power.

And relying on a vassal state like Ukraine for it's gas is vastly more preferable than Russia.

Plus, they hate Russia's guts in it's current form, of course they want an alternative source of gas to bring pain to Russia.

Tell that to Scholz.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

The GDP per capita in 2013 was 2.6k dollar annually, the highest it ever got since was 2.1k.

You sure about that?

Fertility sank from 1.5 to 1.2.

Don't look up Russia's fertility rate.

The Euromaidan and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

Now say that in Russian, but backwards three times.

 

[Hell on Earth]

That has not been the case since WW2, and for good reason - defining national borders based on strength alone has caused two of the biggest wars the world has ever seen, and there has been a broad agreement that such devastation is not worth enduring for the sake of autistic map fetishes.

Also you are basically describing Russia there, not Ukraine. Russia seems to be opposed to Ukraine existing as a nation state, Putin himself has explicitly stated this in an essay last year and a speech last month; I have not seen any Ukrainian government officials saying Russia should not exist.

I agree Ukraine cannot rely on foreign protection, nor can it expect to defeat Russia in a conventional, let alone nuclear, war. But it can do what Finland did - make invasion and subsequent occupation extremely painful, and therefore politically not viable within Russia, and ultimately free itself.

It's been done countless times before in small countries occupied by great powers.

The problem with an insurgency in Ukraine is that the terrain is very flat and very difficult to defend as a result.

You don't have the hidden valleys or caves of Afghanistan to hide from Russian forces or the huge amount of lakes that are found in Finland to make Russia suffer every time they take an inch of territory

Insurgencies can be powerful weapons in the right terrain but Ukraine has neither of those perks.

Ukraine's only hope of conducting a succesful insurgency is inside the cities and in comitting terrorist attacks inside of Russia.

 

[Pentaborane]

Flight update, 2022-03-12 Sat 15:52 CET:

The NATO SIGINT aircraft did a loop around Kaliningrad, the Russian exclave bordering Poland. Seems more direct than loitering around Lithuania. It's now stationed close to the BY/UA borders.

AWACS over Poland does the usual, collecting data on Russian air targets.

Ukrainian transports came to Bydgoszcz from Lviv on 2022-02-25. Went back to Ukraine on 2022-03-04. Right now are moving back to Poland, likely to Bydgoszcz as well.

And here you can see how they turned on their transponders once in Poland on the 25th:

 

[Troon Destroyer]

Ukrainians shouldn't have changed the writing and pronunciation of their cities' names. Instead of Kiev, Kharkov, Chuguiv, Hulaipole, it looks and sounds like Хуев, (На)Харкив, Чухуев, Хуйляполе.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

You sure about that?

I'm using the CEIC Data. If you've proofs otherwise I'm all ears.

Don't look up Russia's fertility rate.

Why not? Its TFI is 1.5, falling from 1.7 in 2013. So a slower drop and still at a higher level.

Now say that in Russian, but backwards three times.

Shit, I'm done, You've got me, I'm the wrong kind of slav and will butcher the sentence structure.

 

[Hell on Earth]

Tell that to Scholz.

Well, you're ignoring the taking of the Crimea and the wartorn state of Donbass and the pullout of international companies to be able to untap those resources.

Or the loss of billions of dollars in equipment that was taken from Ukraine when Russia took Crimea.

Of course Europe will have to take Russian gas.

That was all planned from the Kremlin to maintain the status quo.

 

[Titos]

Why do Russians sperg like this? It's embarrassing.

Because Russia was founded in part by sperging. They sperged so hard about paying taxes to the Khan you'd think they were jews. Seeing how slavs act in general and how most jews have names ending in either -berg, -stein, -witz, or -sky I hold my position that the Mongols would be better rulers of the lands slavs inhabit and should have just burned all of the slavs alive.