Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[DumbDude42]

The whole point is “rights” mean nothing unless you have some authority to enforce them. Either your own or someone else’s.

If Britain gets to the point where they can easily push our shit in, then surrender is probably the correct option.

this is the correct take.

britain would absolutely have a good case for annexing or at least dominating all ireland. the reason they're not doing it is because they lack the power to take and hold it successfully.

same with america - if it was within their power, the brits would absolutely fight a war to control and dominate it.
america became independent not because britain somehow decided that they have a right to self determination lol, america became independent because britain was too weak to keep america under control.

 

[Hell on Earth]

The separatists really love to put a lot of Z in captured Ukrainian armor.

I bet they think : "Got to stick it to the Ukrainians, fuck them for shelling my home for 8 years"

 

[Dave_Ph]

As far as I can observe and no offence to your mother. Most people don't know anything about most things and have no critical thinking filter.

It seems that propaganda these days works simply as a story. They don't convince anyone of anything, they just tell them the narrative. Which is blindly accepted. A story, unlike facts or an argument to convince people. It doesn't need to make sense, it doesn't need to even be consistent from one point or the next. You're always in the current part of the story.

Nothing made this more clear than COVID. With how often the story and rules around everything would change and seemingly people never noticed that they were now following a different script. They were always right there on the same page. Never going, "wait a minute, this contradicts and doesn't make sense from what was on the previous page."

Thanks for saying "critical thinking" up front so I knew early to stop reading

 

[H. Bergeron]

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The separatists really love to put a lot of Z in captured Ukrainian armor.

I bet they think : "Got to stick it to the Ukrainians, fuck them for shelling my home for 8 years"

Gonna laugh when these idiots' "free republic" gets turned into a puppet state by Putin and they get even more fucked than the rest of Russia.

 

[Reddit Silver]

Russia is so corrupt and useless that if you count out Moscow, Ukraine has better quality of life.

 

[Dave_Ph]

Christ. This 2000-page cover story really is some Jewish, ZOG plot. Where am I, fucking reddit?

Maybe the mods should ban themselves

If you wear the cat ears and click your high heels together while sayin ZOG 3 times maybe Little Gay Nicky will let you suck his dick

 

[Just Another Apocalypse]

Honestly, I'm pretty shocked that they've not been threadbanned yet since I've already had one of my replies to them removed for falling for a troll. It seems like others who did much less were threadbanned ages ago.

Maybe I got shit on the jannies.

Good. I can't wait to finally return to monke

While posting on the internet.

Their doctrine appears to be mostly capable of two things. 1) March into a town or city unopposed by any military force and take control. 2) Bombard a city until all military resistance or potential military resistance is dead or has fled, then march in and take control of the ruins.

You forgot rape the women and girls. They real good at that.

 

[Übertroon]

britain would absolutely have a good case for annexing or at least dominating all ireland. the reason they're not doing it is because they lack the power to take and hold it successfully.

The UK has the capability of destroying Ireland several times over. What they lack is political will and the lack of benefit from going full Russian retard.
During the Irish War of Independence the UK deployed a a 38k garrison, half of them being irish. They suffered 900 dead soldiers and police officers, and the Irish Republic never held a single piece of territory.
The UK left because the population and politicians agreed that it was a senseless loss of life and money being spent on oppressing a people that was clearly never going to fully accept english rule.
Russia is going full retard because to them the loss of prestige in not controlling Kiev is a greater loss than losing an entire generation of young men and bankrupting themselves just to control one of the poorest nations in Europe.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

this is the correct take.

britain would absolutely have a good case for annexing or at least dominating all ireland. the reason they're not doing it is because they lack the power to take and hold it successfully.

same with america - if it was within their power, the brits would absolutely fight a war to control and dominate it.
america became independent not because britain somehow decided that they have a right to self determination lol, america became independent because britain was too weak to keep america under control.

I absolutely do believe that Britain has enough military power to annex Ireland but it'd be an incredibly long and bloody fight that would lead to the same sort of global sanctions against Britain (that Russia have been given) that would make it completely stupid to even attempt by tanking the pound and raising the threat level to a point where it'd induce a complete social breakdown.

In fact I see Ireland and Britain remaining apart forever because of how strategically important having a trade window to the EU right on their doorstep. Not everything needs to be resolved by map painting.

 

[No. 7 cat]

TLDR and wrong obviously. It's being done for the sake of owning hohols and that's pretty much it. Nobody in russia believes in "protecting russian people" or anything like that. War's just glorified "pig-cutter" as they refer to it.

I get the impression the war is one big Russian flex or that was the intention. If the impression is right, it's been rather counterproductive.

On a different angle I see a figure of 120,000 RU jobs lost (some suspended) due to the disvestment.

The UK has the capability of destroying Ireland several times over. What they lack is political will and the lack of benefit from going full Russian retard.
During the Irish War of Independence the UK deployed a a 38k garrison, half of them being irish. They suffered 900 dead soldiers and police officers, and the Irish Republic never held a single piece of territory.
The UK left because the population and politicians agreed that it was a senseless loss of life and money being spent on oppressing a people that was clearly never going to fully accept english rule.
Russia is going full retard because to them the loss of prestige in not controlling Kiev is a greater loss than losing an entire generation of young men and bankrupting themselves just to control one of the poorest nations in Europe.

Lloyd George avoided using soldiers, preferring the RIC auxiliaries and supplementary force, the Black and Tans. They suffered repeated reverses.The Sinn Féin courts replaced the Crown and magistrate in much of Ireland if not most outside Ulster and big cities, so territory was lost. Yes overall, it should seemed a mess of murder and city burning (Cork city).

 

[naffatune]

TLDR: The Russians would probably have an easier time occupying Uganda than Ukraine.

Yeah I'm starting to fully accept that war is, at it's core, only about two angry nations competing for resources (i.e. land, oil, opium) and that any talk about ethnic or cultural differences are just rationalizations made after the fact. I should probably just drop this whole idea that conflict can be started by those things alone.

 

[Dona Morte]

Here is a medical channel talking about Thermobaric weapons. They were PHENOMENAL during their Covid coverage:

 

[Delicious Diversity]

The whole point is “rights” mean nothing unless you have some authority to enforce them. Either your own or someone else’s.

If Britain gets to the point where they can easily push our shit in, then surrender is probably the correct option.

Well during the Revolutionary War there were times when surrender seemed inevitable, but the rebels kept fighting, France got involved and Britain got tired of the war, and as a result America is a nation today. The same is true of Ireland; there has never been a time when Britain could not militarily dominate that country. But after constant resistance we eventually got sick of it and gave them independence.

I don't expect Ukraine to be able to militarily resist Russia indefinitely. But years of partisan resistance could certainly wear down a Russian occupation and make it politically untenable, resulting in a withdrawal and the rebirth of an independent Ukraine. Long-term, that is probably the goal for Ukrainian nationalists.

I don't agree that you should just surrender and allow your nation to die. That's pretty weak and history has shown that resistance, even if it takes a hundred years, can keep nations alive. Be it Ireland, Poland, Finland, the Netherlands, America, Ukraine... if people keep believing in it, and fighting for it, it can survive.

 

[Hell on Earth]

The UK has the capability of destroying Ireland several times over. What they lack is political will and the lack of benefit from going full Russian retard.
During the Irish War of Independence the UK deployed a a 38k garrison, half of them being irish. They suffered 900 dead soldiers and police officers, and the Irish Republic never held a single piece of territory.
The UK left because the population and politicians agreed that it was a senseless loss of life and money being spent on oppressing a people that was clearly never going to fully accept english rule.
Russia is going full retard because to them the loss of prestige in not controlling Kiev is a greater loss than losing an entire generation of young men and bankrupting themselves just to control one of the poorest nations in Europe.

Ukraine may be poor but it has the potential of being a serious threat to Russia's gas supremacy.

Europe suddenly doesn't need Russia for it's gas but instead they can get their gas from Ukraine instead.

This possible outcome since 2012 has always been a bigger shitshow than the inauguration of Nordstream 2.

 

[The Nothingness]

Good to see The Babylon Bee is keeping up with the satire.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Ireland has been part of the UK/England in some form or another for almost 900 years. It has also been viewed as essential to British national security, as it offers rival powers an easy invasion route to mainland Britain. Most of the population speaks English and a substantial portion are of Anglo-Irish or Ulster Scots descent.

By your reasoning the Irish have no right to any national feeling and the UK would be justified in retaking the entire island, on the basis that we are the bigger power and we feel we need control over it.

Perhaps we could even apply this logic to the USA - it was a British colony after all, why does America deserve to have any national sentiment when it is historic British land, and was so for like 200 years?

I don't like this idea that Ukrainians don't have a right to national identity cuz Russia.

To avoid autistic arguments over whether the Irish constitute more of a distinct people than the Ukrainians, the right to national self-identification is contingent on power. Having an identity that entirely hinges on opposing your biggest neighbour, down to doing so militarily, is a bad idea, especially when your guarantor lives thousands of miles ago and that neighbour has nukes.

Yes of course... they had NOTHING to do with overthrowing Putin's puppet and they loved him SOOOO much but the glowies just convinced them by the hundreds of thousands. That's iunsane. Fucking Russia invaded the shit out of them several times, Banned Ukranian and starved millions of them before taking over their best farmland with ethnic Russians. So much so that they didn't even want to get the fuck away from Russia at the first possible opportunity! I mean they were all for joining the Russian federation after CCCP fell, right?

Banning Ukrainian being a public service akin to banning Pidgin aside, the most distinctly anti-Russian parts of Ukraine such as the whole of Galicia weren't Ukrainian either. They were historically Polish until the end of WW2 moved that to the territory of the USSR. Even the current nationalist battalions have a disproportionate number of Russian speakers and were born in Russian territories. It's a juvenile LARP. That Ukrainians took part in the Maidan doesn't mean it didn't only take place due to huge external support or that the installed government wasn't an American proxy. But even in the fantasy world where the Euromaidan was a 100% organic movement, it still amounted to consigning itself to perpetual NATO buffer status and was a total failure in befitting any Ukrainian who doesn't work for the Sheev Independent. The GDP per capita in 2013 was 2.6k dollar annually, the highest it ever got since was 2.1k. Fertility sank from 1.5 to 1.2. The Euromaidan and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race and leaving them to be a disgruntled corrupt shithole orbiting Russia would've been better for everyone involved.

 

[IamnottheNSA]

Got an e-mail just now:

Spoiler: Google Translate

Disabling Instagram in Russia

Hello

Since the leads of the social network Instagram, contrary to international law, for the first time in history and only against Russians allowed calls for violence, The Prosecutor General's Office decided to ban this social network in Russia.

Calls for violence against people united on the basis of a national community or citizenship are part of the offense characterized as “genocide”, what is prohibited by the 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, developed on the basis of consideration of the entire evidence base of Nazi criminals collected during the Nuremberg Tribunal.

We need to ensure the psychological health of citizens, primarily children and adolescents, protect them from harassment and insults online your account to other resources, including Russian social networks, Roskomnadzor provided time for the transition period. Instagram will stop working in Russia from 00:00 on March 14

Since Russia is a country with its own competitive Internet platforms, including social networks VK and Odnoklassniki, with coverage of tens of millions of users, we hope that your transition to these Internet environments will take place quickly, and in the future you will discover new opportunities for communication and business.

Roskompozor

TL;DR: It's official, Instagram is going the way of Facebook and Twitter in Russia.

Oh no!

*click*
anyway...

 

[Hell on Earth]

Yeah I'm starting to fully accept that war is, at it's core, only about two angry nations competing for resources (i.e. land, oil, opium) and that any talk about ethnic or cultural differences are just rationalizations made after the fact. I should probably just drop this whole idea that conflict can be started by those things alone.

It can be about resources but it can also be about ethnic conflict (see the civil war in the former state of Ethiopia).

It can be a myriad of things.

War isn't a simple thing, you'll get no good understanding of history if you brush every war with that mindset.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Ukraine may be poor but it has the potential of being a serious threat to Russia's gas supremacy.

Europe suddenly doesn't need Russia for it's gas but instead they can get their gas from Ukraine instead.

This possible outcome since 2012 has always been a bigger shitshow than the inauguration of Nordstream 2.

Ukraine has enough gas in its borders to support Europe? Aren't they just the middleman for delivery?


Edit: Is what's going on so.boring we have circled back to the "occupying" conversation? Russia isn't occupying Ukraine. They are going in, breaking their military, getting a different goverment, and going home. They did this in Georgia, they are doing it again. Putin has told you what he wants and the longer it goes on the more likely the Donbaus Republics go from being their own country to being a part of Russia but that's what those regions want. Russia has no interest in ruling over people that don't want them to rule over them.

 

[Sneed's Feed And Seed]

Oh my god, I just got it. This is all a gigantic joke.
You know why they're putting the Z on "Russian" equipment?
It's because Ukraine are Not Z's.