Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

  • Total voters
    2,360
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Watching video on twatter of Russian columns getting ambushed and holy shit they're trundling down roads absolutely no scouts on their flanks and the Ukies are shooting anti tank missiles at their vehicles from light cover like a hundred feet away. wtf you doin Russia that's just retarded
 
Oh so now we're talking about approval ratings, not votes received? Sorry I didn't realise the government changed every time a new opinion poll came out but feel free to shift those goal posts some more!

Also I'm gonna be a real prick here and point out that 20% is not 15%. :smug:

Edit: also I can play the approval rating game too!
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I wondered if the guys who did the poll for Zelensky might have some baseball bats with a rusted nail or chains if someone they asked got a negative opinion of Zelensky? :story:
 
I mean, this is kinda just quibbling bro. I don't think anyone really cares if Ukraine is a model democracy or not. I was just making the point that the current government has popular support, so you can't detach its views of Russia from the views of Ukrainian voters so casually.

I will agree that the 2014 Yatsenyuk government was essentially formed in a coup, but again, who cares really. It doesn't bear much relevance to the positions of the current government beyond some recent historical context. You said Ukraine was "anti-Russia" and I disagree.

I strongly disagree about the government being obliged to surrender. The primary, by far most important role of government, is national defense. The government is obliged to mobilise the country for total war if necessary and resist for as long as it has the capacity to do so.

What kind of fucking government orders its people to lay down their arms and accept occupation? Maybe when the fight is well and truly lost but right now the Ukrainian armed forces are very much still operational and in control of most of the country. Give it a few months at least.
Whether a democracy allows meaningful choice or is just a facade for deeper interests and oligarchs isn't a quibble, ignoring it would leave you with the conclusion that parts of Africa or even Russia is democratic because there's some kind of elections going on which on paper have multiple candidates. If, as in the case of Ukraine, it's a facade for modern-day robber barons and foreign powers to play power games where there's zero insurance theory so the winner sends his predecessor and his associates to prison, then it's not a 'real' democracy.

The government doesn't have the obligation to surrender by default, but it does have the obligation to negotiate. Hyping up your population that you're killing 1000 Ivans a day is very successful and moralizing, but it's unsustainable when you're up against a state that's willing to detonate its economy and fight you to the last and when you've no outside help coming. Even if you think the conditions offered are fake, calling the bluff for the sake of ending a loss of lives is your obligation.
 
Yes, and you'll notice how wishing Russia had stayed like it was under Yeltsin is either the subtext or the outright wish of both regular people in this thread and more importantly the law and opinionmakers in the broader West.
But keep in mind that the force driving all those opinions in the west is a collection of Russian monsters (the Oligarchs who looted Russia under Yeltsin) who mostly live in London now. They literally consider Russia to be their personal property and they want it back. A whole lot of bad policy across most of the west originates with those people and how they use their money.
 
Found a meme that didn't age well.
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And now Zelensky has 90% approval. Things change a lot when your country gets invaded by some faggot who moralizes about "denazification" while he lies in bed with Aleksandr Dugin.
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How would they even conduct this poll? Polls are already unreliable in the USA when they're conducted via randomized phone dialing and/or randomized email contacting, but the USA isn't being invaded by a more powerful force. Many Ukranians have already left, the ones remaining are probably too worried about many other things to respond to a pollster, which means the subset of the population that *does* respond is not representative of Ukranians as a whole. If you poll all the Ukranians who left and the Ukranians who are currently stressing out hard over the invasion, you might get much less favorable numbers, especially if it's done in a way that comfortably assures respondents of anonymity.
 
the comments are incredible. twitter flipping out on biden like he has canceled the next avengers movie they were promised.
Yes, this is the same lot that threw a temper tantrum when he said riots weren't a good idea and then picked a cop as his VP.

For everyone clamoring for black kids just hoping to pay for college to get sent to die in the Ukraine, an expression of simple, obvious fact is extremely disturbing.
 
The government doesn't have the obligation to surrender by default, but it does have the obligation to negotiate.
Zelensky said today that the talks are "progressing" and that there is now "actual dialogue instead of throwing ultimatums at each other", for what it's worth. No date for the next official peace netotiations was provided, however.

Ah well. Someday.
 
The black death fucked the Mongols, that's why their empires disintegrated or became wastelands.
The Golden Horde survived until 1502. The Hunnic Empire barely last Atilla's lifetime, although the Huns long survived as foes or hirelings of the Romans and Persian. They'd be the more incompetent.

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Polls for rating approval when not in an election season is usually useless information because people aren't rating the candidate against alternatives, they're rating it against their optimal scenario. In fact Zelensky likely wouldn't be replaced by someone more friendly to the Russians, a good percentage of the people who had a negative view of Zelensky viewed him as a liberal jewish pansy trying to be too friendly with the Russians. In election polls in late 2021 the two people closest in opinion polls to Zelensky were Poroshenko and Tymoshenko, both of them conservative hardliners and actively courting the nationalist bloc. A russophile candidate has never had higher approval than the nationalists since 2014.
 
Oh and don't forget, you have to do this for like 150+ years or so. Wasn't Chechen shit even in Tolstoy in the 19th Century?

But muh grorious nippon steel! Why are my Russerinos not immediately destroying these libtards of the Azov Battalion REEEEE?
Well if Russians are to be believed, Azov is getting bombed right now and gone into hiding among civies.

 
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the comments are incredible. twitter flipping out on biden like he has canceled the next avengers movie they were promised.
This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Of course America was never going to directly engage Russia. That was never an option, no matter what happens. In fact, Biden doesn't really have any options. Sitting with his thumbs up his ass while blowing smoke out of it is the only thing he can do.

America isn't a legitimate actor in this war, which is ironic, considering it wouldn't have happened without them. The Biden administration, however, desperately needs to keep pretending that they are.
 
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