Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Arc]

Guys, I finnaly get it! New York Times saying about chemical weapons in Iraq was false and gay. But biolabs in Ukraine are totally real!

Yes, both have been admitted by your god, the US government, at this point in time.

 

[Reddit Silver]

No one is saying that, but it's pretty damn hypocritical for the US to take some high horse stance against Russia considering what we did to Iraq, over complete lies invented by the MIC and the media. And we were damn close to doing the same thing in Iran, those war drums were beating very hard, fortunately it never happened.

2022 is not 2003 and Iraq is not Ukraine. Like none of those are in any way similar.

 

[Rezza]

Even if it does backfire, that will do absolutely zero to stop Western globohomo from fucking over its own citizens and EU countries like Hungary anyway since the situations are completely different. Meanwhile it will empower Eastern globohomo to try that shit in their own way - just ask any of Russia and China's client states how they abuse economic leverage to fuck them over. You are not thinking this through, especially since if Russia pushes through anyway, this will merely add fuel to the "Cold War 2.0" shebang and distractions from the Great Depression 2.0 looming in the distance.

See, this is the funniest thing about all this "war on globohomo", people only thought there's only one Globohomo even though there are actually two this whole time, possibly even more if we used some people's standard. Unironically this is just Cold War rhetoric and propaganda all over again

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

While I'd agree the companies leaving is a short-term blow to the Russian economy, nothing that has left couldn't be replaced with Russian entities over time which would really be better anyway. People forget that throughout most of history, international companies being allowed to hold a lion's share of commerce in a foreign country was unheard of. Tbh this sort of "LET'S GLOBALIZE EVERYTHING!" attitude to me at least seems to be another case of the post "enlightenment" world trying to combat the conventional wisdom of the old world such as mercantilism which does view trade as being a competitive sport. You mention China, but one of the reasons they've become a superpower to rival the US despite previous economic disasters is that they don't buy into this suicidal modern economic dogma and do treat trade as being competitive.

You are severely overestimating the extent to which an economy can be self-sufficient. Technological know-how, required resources, manpower, Russia simply doesn't have enough to weather this bullshit. You can do the self-sufficiency thing with smaller sanctions like Russia was under in the past but the rest of the world went MAXIMUM SANCTIONS from the get-go and it's probably gonna get even worse because the EU is already speedrunning finding alternatives to Russian oil and gas, which means that even Russia's resource exports are gonna take a hit in the near future.

I also don't get your point about China. They are tied into economic globalization more than most others, part of the reason they started cutting Russia loose so quick after the Ukraine invasion started is because they don't wanna get bitch-slapped with similar economic troubles.

 

[CaesarCzech]

Even if it does backfire, that will do absolutely zero to stop Western globohomo from fucking over its own citizens and EU countries like Hungary anyway since the situations are completely different. Meanwhile it will empower Eastern globohomo to try that shit in their own way - just ask any of Russia and China's client states how they abuse economic leverage to fuck them over. You are not thinking this through, especially since if Russia pushes through anyway, this will merely add fuel to the "Cold War 2.0" shebang and distractions from the Great Depression 2.0 looming in the distance.

Dominance of one Globohomo will fuck over the world you need balance of power the Degenerate elites fighting each other for people to gain time, for resistance to grow, we are not ready at all.

 

[Reddit Silver]

Yes, both have been admitted by your god, the US government, at this point in time.

I'm pretty sure that in these biolabs there is bioweapon. Just like in Georgia's biolabs were bioweapon, when Russia invaded Georgia. They found shitton of evidence for all those human experiments.

Then again, how is Ukraine similar to Iraq?

 

[trent]

You are severely overestimating the extent to which an economy can be self-sufficient. Technological know-how, required resources, manpower, Russia simply doesn't have enough to weather this bullshit. You can do the self-sufficiency thing with smaller sanctions like Russia was under in the past but the rest of the world went MAXIMUM SANCTIONS from the get-go and it's probably gonna get even worse because the EU is already speedrunning finding alternatives to Russian oil and gas, which means that even Russia's resource exports are gonna take a hit in the near future.

I also don't get your point about China. They are tied into economic globalization more than most others, part of the reason they started cutting Russia loose so quick after the Ukraine invasion started is because they don't wanna get bitch-slapped with similar economic troubles.

Also, if China ends up being the only place willing to buy Russian oil and gas then the buyer gets to dictate the price because they can just go elsewhere if they don't like what Vlad is charging for it.

The economic sanctions are going to be the real thing that ends this conflict, not the Ukrainians fighting back.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

That is implying they would be able to fund such things which right now looks doubtful. They will have too little money coming into to fund things like that especially if this war turns out to be a long term affair and unlikely they will be able to get any loans with their current inability to pay them back

The Russians will get dicked in the short term and become leashed to sub-par terms with the Chinks in the medium term. There will be local equivalents for some things, especially as regards the various social media and other communication leaving, but it's wishful thinking to believe that Russia will recover overnight from so many businesses leaving the country and the rouble crashing. As much as it's wishful thinking that they'll ever collapse where much smaller and poorer countries like Iran and Venezuela have held on.

Also, if China ends up being the only place willing to buy Russian oil and gas then the buyer gets to dictate the price because they can just go elsewhere if they don't like what Vlad is charging for it.

The economic sanctions are going to be the real thing that ends this conflict, not the Ukrainians fighting back.

The economic sanctions won't end the war because there's no release valve. The Crimea Sanctions never went away, only got piled onto over the years. The only way out for Vlad is through, i.e securing as much of Ukraine as possible because if he settles for less he'll have destroyed his country's economy and made every western enterprise hostile for nothing. The sanctions are here to stay either way.

 

[Aidan]

Oh, I'm aware that the US and Russia both have a "bombs away" approach. Part of the reason why Syria looks like a WW2-tier hellhole is because when combating ISIS, pretty much all coalition forces preferred to do airstrikes with Turkey being the only one to launch a conventional offensive and immediately regretting it when ISIS pulled the same strategy that Ukraine does now and smoked their tanks with ATGMs. As you may have guessed, my approach is that Russia shouldn't have launched this dumbass invasion in the first place. You can debate Crimea, you can even debate Donbas, you can't really debate the current debacle aside from "cut your losses and GTFO already". Russia has pissed away almost all of their political gains of the past decade with this shit.

Disagree on cutting the losses, there's nothing to be gained from backing out now and plenty to lose. The West has done nearly everything they can do aside from a declaration of war, even though the extreme economic sanctions cut both ways.

We'll see how this plays out but I think Russia is in the dog house until Putin croaks, at least.

 

[Arc]

I'm pretty sure that in these biolabs there is bioweapon. Just like in Georgia's biolabs were bioweapon, when Russia invaded Georgia. They found shitton of evidence for all those human experiments.

Then again, how is Ukraine similar to Iraq?

But biolabs in Ukraine are totally real!

Is babbling incoherently meant to smokescreen the backpeddle?

 

[Reddit Silver]

Is babbling incoherently meant to smokescreen the backpeddle?

No one cares if there are biolabs in country. People care about biological weapons and imagine that: not every biolab produces biological weapons!

In this thread were numerous claims that Ukraine is producing bioweapons as well as Russian officials said so. Apparently Russia used exactly same excuse when invading Georgia. They claimed there were "Human experiments" on Georgia's land.

However, despite it being rather weak excuse, many people swallow it. And same people say that NYT was bullshiting about chemical weapon in Iraq. Irony is flying over heads.

 

[NSJAP]

One thing I learned from this conflict

Camo is dead

It turns out that not being killed by friendly fire seems more important than merging with the environment.
At this point you can just return to French ww1-syle colors

 

[mr.moon1488]

That is implying they would be able to fund such things which right now looks doubtful. They will have too little money coming into to fund things like that especially if this war turns out to be a long term affair and unlikely they will be able to get any loans with their current inability to pay them back

I disagree. Anyone who would be willing to loan money to Russia, also realizes that their currency is being artificially devalued and Russia does always have the option of repaying any loans with oil directly. You might even see an outright bailout from China since it would put China in a really bad position if Russia were to collapse. They'd be the only permanent member of the UN on the UN security council, which means having veto power, that is not in lockstep with NATO. Likewise, I feel like there's going to be some pretty major pushback against NATO from all of this since they've effectively told the rest of the world that they're the ultimate arbiters of whether or not a war is justified, and who are the good guys in every war.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

One thing I learned from this conflict

Camo is dead

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It turns out that not being killed by friendly fire seems more important than merging with the environment.
At this point you can just return to French ww1-syle colors

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And that's a good thing. Camo made war uniforms gay and uninteresting.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

I'm gonna say that I actually do think Ukrainian biolabs have some shit that is definitely not just benign medical research for the bettering of human health but that's because that's been the case for decades among multiple countries. See Wuhan.

 

[Arc]

No one cares if there are biolabs in country. People care about biological weapons and imagine that: not every biolab produces biological weapons!

In this thread were numerous claims that Ukraine is producing bioweapons as well as Russian officials said so. Apparently Russia used exactly same excuse when invading Georgia. They claimed there were "Human experiments" on Georgia's land.

However, despite it being rather weak excuse, many people swallow it. And same people say that NYT was bullshiting about chemical weapon in Iraq. Irony is flying over heads.

No one cares? Is that why the US government scrubbed any mention of them? Why you said "biolabs" and not "bioweapons" in your first post? Why they then said they existed but were just researching disease, then changed the story to "disposing of old soviet bioweapons" (for 17 years lol)? And are now saying guys we are super worried about the Russian capturing our benign laboratories?

And all of this doesn't even matter since the claim you are arguing is "The US is better than the Russians which is why our fake invasion of Iraq was more legit" - so even "they are both fake and gay" will demolish your point.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

One thing I learned from this conflict

Camo is dead

View attachment 3068409

It turns out that not being killed by friendly fire seems more important than merging with the environment.
At this point you can just return to French ww1-syle colors

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If this ends up being the catalyst for armies to start switching back to more aesthetic uniforms, I'm all for it.

 

[Aidan]

I'm gonna say that I actually do think Ukrainian biolabs have some shit that is definitely not just benign medical research for the bettering of human health but that's because that's been the case for decades among multiple countries. See Wuhan.

part 'n parcel of runnin biolabs funded by another country

That said I don't think Russia really cares it's just funny because it's a taboo topic.

 

[mr.moon1488]

You are severely overestimating the extent to which an economy can be self-sufficient. Technological know-how, required resources, manpower, Russia simply doesn't have enough to weather this bullshit. You can do the self-sufficiency thing with smaller sanctions like Russia was under in the past but the rest of the world went MAXIMUM SANCTIONS from the get-go and it's probably gonna get even worse because the EU is already speedrunning finding alternatives to Russian oil and gas, which means that even Russia's resource exports are gonna take a hit in the near future.

I also don't get your point about China. They are tied into economic globalization more than most others, part of the reason they started cutting Russia loose so quick after the Ukraine invasion started is because they don't wanna get bitch-slapped with similar economic troubles.

>You are severely overestimating the extent to which an economy can be self-sufficient
I'm not. This dependency on a global market is absolutely unheard of outside of modern times.
>They are tied into economic globalization more than most others
Yes, but they're exporting things, not importing things. They have an absolutely awful domestic economy, but they're still able to grow and develop because they do view trade as competitive.

 

[Reddit Silver]

No one cares? Is that why the US government scrubbed any mention of them? Why you said "biolabs" and not "bioweapons" in your first post?

Because when layperson sees "biolabs" they think "bioweapon". Connotation is too strong, every Bond and other supervilan movies pushed it hard into common people. See, this thread.

And all of this doesn't even matter since the claim you are arguing is "The US is better than the Russians which is why our fake invasion of Iraq was more legit" - so even "they are both fake and gay" will demolish your point.

I feel so destroyed. Please stop, I couldn't imagine USA doing anything bad, ever!