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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Interesting they're blocking leaving. Means they're actively considering the possibility of Russia doing something stupid in the short term. Also interesting to see the change in attitude, even after the fall of the Cold War Russia (and to a lesser extent China), were seen as our only real enemy. Will be fun to see how the army adapts to knowing there's likely no real peer vs peer threat anymore, and shit is sliding further and further towards asymetric warfare.

Yep.

On top of that the UK is adapting to asymetric warfare having found it their main strength and learning from it in Afghanistan and Iraq. 6th Division is all the unconventional and cyber warfare stuff all piled into one big space.

Its also where the Royal Gurkha Rifles are now parked. Smaller infantry battallions about half the size of the regular army units and specialised in the unconventional war style.

Which is why tons of action reports and footage from this war is probably being studied profusely out at Sandhurst and elsewhere.
 
Armored trains actually make sense because Russia and most of their former imperial/Soviet sphere of influence was obsessed with railways as a relatively quick and effective method of transportation. Most of Russia's wars relied on them being able to get large amounts of shit to the front line as quickly as possible so armored trains are invaluable in that regard and also why Russia still hasn't retired them when everyone else has moved on.

the hey day of armored trains was around 100 years ago. Railways were the most efficient economic way to connect centers of production and commerce (before highways and trucking was a thing) so a lot smaller/mid towns literally grew around RR stations, and thus armored trains with mounted artillery could effectively control most of the things that matter, i.e. pop centers, warehousing and production.

Soviet Union started WWII with over 100 armored trains and most were very quickly destroyed or put out of service. With better explosives, it was easier than ever to blow the railway in such a way that derails the entire train, and Soviets put a lot of resources in sabotage groups and training, even as far as disguising explosives as coal to damage the engine.

The problem with railways, Germans walked the rails with foot patrols, to counter saboteur activity. This requires total occupation of the area and good control over movement of people, especially the suspicious kind.



Russian occupation forces in Khahovka setting up new order.

Point 2: Limitations related to arms:
Complete ban on any sale/trade of arms, transport, use of any type of firearms, cold edged weapons, sports arms, explosive and pyrotechnics, non-lethal means.

This isn't exactly new, bolshvicks, then nazis, then bolshevicks as one of the key new laws established complete disarmament of the population.

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Russian RPG dude got short chained to a pole.

 
US Journalist Killed in Ukraine.
Propagandist that worked for the New York Times has been liquidated,

the backstory is two journos were going to film/photo refugee columns and hired a civilian car that came under fire from rusian troops.

The car tried to turn around. His bud was hit and saw this dude get hit in the neck. The bullet came out of his eyesocket (hence no pictures of dead dude above his nose). His bud had no idea that he was dead (probably seated front) even in the hospital.

regardless of who he was, it's bad optics. Lighting up civvies crouching in a civvy car is bad discipline and this time around it's not some no name slav nigger, but a real burger with passport, so the fake "crisis actor" angle would be kind of hard to play. There will be a lot of coffin dancing when his body is back in the states, that's why you kind of try not to shoot civvies, especially fleeing refugees.
 
US Journalist Killed in Ukraine.
Propagandist that worked for the New York Times has been liquidated,
"Mr. Renaud had contributed to The Times in previous years, most recently in 2015, but he was not on assignment for the company in Ukraine. Early reports that he was working for The Times in Ukraine circulated because he was found with a Times press badge that had been issued for an assignment years ago."

 
Someone explain to me how Putin could use a weapon experts swore isn't real, but now magic made it real:

"Vladimir Putin could unleash biological weapon from seized Ukraine lab, experts fear"

Colonel Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former chief of the British Army's chemical weapons unit, said Russian troops could storm a lab and use it as a base to unleash a bioweapon

Russian leader Vladimir Putin could unleash a deadly biological weapon on Ukraine and blame the US, the former head of the British Army's chemical weapons unit has warned.

It comes as scientists in Ukraine have been told to destroy all "high-threat" lab diseases.


Colonel Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former chief of the British Army's chemical weapons unit, said Russian troops could storm a lab and use it as a base to unleash a bioweapon.

He also warned Putin's "indiscriminate" bombing campaign could hit a lab.

The World Health Organisation has said the most deadly pathogens in Ukraine's labs should be wiped out amid fears of "potential spills" caused by Putin's relentless bombing.

Russian forces have already seized control of Chernobyl and Zaporizhzhia - two of the largest nuclear power plants in Ukraine.

It is thought there are more than 4,000 labs in Ukraine and although they do not have a level-four lab, which handles the world's most dangerous pathogens - two do have clearance to work with high-level pathogens.

The level-three lab works with coronaviruses, tuberculosis, yellow fever, SARS, West Nile, and some strains of influenza.

One of the two labs is in Odessa and the other is in Kyiv.

Colonel de Bretton-Gordon said Putin could unleash a bioweapon "more lethal than Covid".

He told The Sun Online : "The Russians could use a Ukrainian lab to release a bioweapon.

"It would be ideal - they could blame the US and Ukraine for the release of the pathogen.

"The chance to go into a lab would be gold dust for the Russians.

"They could use it in their own disinformation campaign - they would use it for propaganda."

If Putin succeded in blaming the US it could be used as a justification to escalate his war effort.

Mr Bretton-Gordon also said that the "reckless" bombing by the Russians could spark a lab accident.

He added: "If a massive bomb hit the lab, the pathogens could be released - but it's more likely they would be destroyed."

It comes as NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has warned Russia might use chemical weapons following its invasion of Ukraine.

"In recent days, we have heard absurd claims about chemical and biological weapons laboratories," Stoltenberg was quoted by Welt am Sonntag as saying, adding that the Kremlin was inventing false pretexts to justify what could not be justified.

He added that although the Ukrainian people were resisting the Russian invasion with courage, the coming days are likely to bring even greater hardship.

 
Someone explain to me how Putin could use a weapon experts swore isn't real, but now magic made it real:

"Vladimir Putin could unleash biological weapon from seized Ukraine lab, experts fear"

Colonel Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former chief of the British Army's chemical weapons unit, said Russian troops could storm a lab and use it as a base to unleash a bioweapon

Russian leader Vladimir Putin could unleash a deadly biological weapon on Ukraine and blame the US, the former head of the British Army's chemical weapons unit has warned.

It comes as scientists in Ukraine have been told to destroy all "high-threat" lab diseases.


Colonel Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former chief of the British Army's chemical weapons unit, said Russian troops could storm a lab and use it as a base to unleash a bioweapon.

He also warned Putin's "indiscriminate" bombing campaign could hit a lab.

The World Health Organisation has said the most deadly pathogens in Ukraine's labs should be wiped out amid fears of "potential spills" caused by Putin's relentless bombing.

Russian forces have already seized control of Chernobyl and Zaporizhzhia - two of the largest nuclear power plants in Ukraine.

It is thought there are more than 4,000 labs in Ukraine and although they do not have a level-four lab, which handles the world's most dangerous pathogens - two do have clearance to work with high-level pathogens.

The level-three lab works with coronaviruses, tuberculosis, yellow fever, SARS, West Nile, and some strains of influenza.

One of the two labs is in Odessa and the other is in Kyiv.

Colonel de Bretton-Gordon said Putin could unleash a bioweapon "more lethal than Covid".

He told The Sun Online : "The Russians could use a Ukrainian lab to release a bioweapon.

"It would be ideal - they could blame the US and Ukraine for the release of the pathogen.

"The chance to go into a lab would be gold dust for the Russians.

"They could use it in their own disinformation campaign - they would use it for propaganda."

If Putin succeded in blaming the US it could be used as a justification to escalate his war effort.

Mr Bretton-Gordon also said that the "reckless" bombing by the Russians could spark a lab accident.

He added: "If a massive bomb hit the lab, the pathogens could be released - but it's more likely they would be destroyed."

It comes as NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has warned Russia might use chemical weapons following its invasion of Ukraine.

"In recent days, we have heard absurd claims about chemical and biological weapons laboratories," Stoltenberg was quoted by Welt am Sonntag as saying, adding that the Kremlin was inventing false pretexts to justify what could not be justified.

He added that although the Ukrainian people were resisting the Russian invasion with courage, the coming days are likely to bring even greater hardship.

Russia already has all the bioweapons they will need as part of their own biodefense program. Granted it might not be the same strains as the ones in Ukraine but I am guessing they have more than a couple that are similar.

Buts it's utterly retarded to use biological weapons as it unpredictable unless it's been engineered to limit it's transmittablity.
 
Russia already has all the bioweapons they will need as part of their own biodefense program. Granted it might not be the same strains as the ones in Ukraine but I am guessing they have more than a couple that are similar.

Buts it's utterly retarded to use biological weapons as it unpredictable unless it's been engineered to limit it's transmittablity.
That doesn't explain how they can use a weapon that all the experts and fact checkers claim isn't real.
 
That doesn't explain how they can use a weapon that all the experts and fact checkers claim isn't real.
If people who claim something are "experts" and "fact checkers" you can safely believe the opposite, covid proved that better than anything ever could.

They tried to claim it but that narrative fell apart two days ago, even WHO said Ukraine needs to destroy samples, whoever is claiming it's not a thing now didn't get the latest memo.
 
Someone explain to me how Putin could use a weapon experts swore isn't real, but now magic made it real:

"Vladimir Putin could unleash biological weapon from seized Ukraine lab, experts fear"

Colonel Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former chief of the British Army's chemical weapons unit, said Russian troops could storm a lab and use it as a base to unleash a bioweapon

Russian leader Vladimir Putin could unleash a deadly biological weapon on Ukraine and blame the US, the former head of the British Army's chemical weapons unit has warned.

It comes as scientists in Ukraine have been told to destroy all "high-threat" lab diseases.


Colonel Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former chief of the British Army's chemical weapons unit, said Russian troops could storm a lab and use it as a base to unleash a bioweapon.

He also warned Putin's "indiscriminate" bombing campaign could hit a lab.

The World Health Organisation has said the most deadly pathogens in Ukraine's labs should be wiped out amid fears of "potential spills" caused by Putin's relentless bombing.

Russian forces have already seized control of Chernobyl and Zaporizhzhia - two of the largest nuclear power plants in Ukraine.

It is thought there are more than 4,000 labs in Ukraine and although they do not have a level-four lab, which handles the world's most dangerous pathogens - two do have clearance to work with high-level pathogens.

The level-three lab works with coronaviruses, tuberculosis, yellow fever, SARS, West Nile, and some strains of influenza.

One of the two labs is in Odessa and the other is in Kyiv.

Colonel de Bretton-Gordon said Putin could unleash a bioweapon "more lethal than Covid".

He told The Sun Online : "The Russians could use a Ukrainian lab to release a bioweapon.

"It would be ideal - they could blame the US and Ukraine for the release of the pathogen.

"The chance to go into a lab would be gold dust for the Russians.

"They could use it in their own disinformation campaign - they would use it for propaganda."

If Putin succeded in blaming the US it could be used as a justification to escalate his war effort.

Mr Bretton-Gordon also said that the "reckless" bombing by the Russians could spark a lab accident.

He added: "If a massive bomb hit the lab, the pathogens could be released - but it's more likely they would be destroyed."

It comes as NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has warned Russia might use chemical weapons following its invasion of Ukraine.

"In recent days, we have heard absurd claims about chemical and biological weapons laboratories," Stoltenberg was quoted by Welt am Sonntag as saying, adding that the Kremlin was inventing false pretexts to justify what could not be justified.

He added that although the Ukrainian people were resisting the Russian invasion with courage, the coming days are likely to bring even greater hardship.


I've lost track of this non-sense, last week it was all about chem weapons, this week it's all about bio weapons and training migratory birds to carry them + attack only people with certain genetics. ... and my favorite, use of lizards to spread bio weapons, lol.

All of Russia has about 5'000 hospitals. Compare the size of Russia to the size of Ukraine and tell me if 4000 labs seem like a reasonable number. Ukraine is the size of Texas, so that's a whole lot of labs.

Look at references given and see if you can track the sites that posted them and journos who wrote about it, try to dig deep and you may see that they all point to few sources with dodgy credentials and non existent journos.

Dig that info and make your own decision.
 
So today, opposition leaders in Russia called on mass protest against the war, but the red square seemed fairly empty.

This is a short vid, you don't need to translate it.

Basically the first woman sais in front of the cameras ... "what if I say two words ..." shows a half page with "two words" written on it. Gets immediately taken by cops.

The second chick becomes curious, starts talking about what kind of angle do they cover, if it's just against war or pro as well? They say, we are fine with whatever. She starts, "well I just wanted to say something in support ... " gets taken out by cops.

 





"Russia has asked China for military equipment to support its invasion of Ukraine, according to US officials, sparking concern in the White House that Beijing may undermine western efforts to help Ukrainian forces defend their country.

US officials told the Financial Times that Russia had requested military equipment and other assistance since the start of the invasion. They declined to give details about what Russia had requeste

Another person familiar with the situation said the US was preparing to warn its allies, amid some indications that China may be preparing to help Russia. Other US officials have said there were signs that Russia was running out of some kinds of weaponry as the war in Ukraine extends into its third wee

The White House did not comment. The Chinese embassy in Washington did not respond to a request for a commen

The revelation comes as Jake Sullivan, US national security adviser, heads to Rome for talks on Monday with Yang Jiechi, China’s top foreign policy officia

Before leaving Washington on Sunday, Sullivan warned China not to try to “bail out” Russia by helping Moscow to circumvent the sanctions that the US and its allies have imposed on President Vladimir Putin and his regime

"We will ensure that neither China, nor anyone else, can compensate Russia for these losses,” Sullivan told NBC television on Sunday. “In terms of the specific means of doing that, again, I’m not going to lay all of that out in public, but we will communicate that privately to China, as we have already done and will continue to do.”

The request for equipment and other kinds of unspecified military assistance comes as the Russian military struggles to make as much progress in Ukraine as western intelligence believe they expected.

It also raises fresh questions about the China-Russia relationship, which has grown increasingly strong as both countries express their opposition to the US over everything from Nato to sanctions.

China has portrayed itself as a neutral actor in the Ukraine crisis and has refused to condemn Russia for invading the country. The US has also seen no sign that Chinese president Xi Jinping is willing to put any pressure on Putin.

The two leaders signed a joint statement in Beijing last month describing the Beijing-Moscow partnership as having “no limits”, in another sign that the two capitals were drawing even closer together."


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Doubt xi will go for it. If anything he'll be smelling blood in the water.


Also TIL the easiest way to bypass the ft obnoxious copy/paste injection on mobile is to share the article to, for example, a messaging app rather than trying to copy it.
 
That doesn't explain how they can use a weapon that all the experts and fact checkers claim isn't real.
Ukraine studies deadly diseases at it's BSL3 labs. This not only increases the skills of the nations biologists but allows for a response to disease outbreaks without relying on the international community. As part of this research, Ukraine has certain pathogens for study.
 
Which is why tons of action reports and footage from this war is probably being studied profusely out at Sandhurst and elsewhere.
Probably not at Sandhurst yet... That's just JO training for the most part.

Shrivenham at the defense college or one of the AWCs, you bet.

My bet is they are having confirmed their suspicions on Russian kits capabilities, hence Western Int is probably keeping Ukrainian drones in the fight.
 





"Russia has asked China for military equipment to support its invasion of Ukraine, according to US officials, sparking concern in the White House that Beijing may undermine western efforts to help Ukrainian forces defend their country.

US officials told the Financial Times that Russia had requested military equipment and other assistance since the start of the invasion. They declined to give details about what Russia had requeste

Another person familiar with the situation said the US was preparing to warn its allies, amid some indications that China may be preparing to help Russia. Other US officials have said there were signs that Russia was running out of some kinds of weaponry as the war in Ukraine extends into its third wee

The White House did not comment. The Chinese embassy in Washington did not respond to a request for a commen

The revelation comes as Jake Sullivan, US national security adviser, heads to Rome for talks on Monday with Yang Jiechi, China’s top foreign policy officia

Before leaving Washington on Sunday, Sullivan warned China not to try to “bail out” Russia by helping Moscow to circumvent the sanctions that the US and its allies have imposed on President Vladimir Putin and his regime

"We will ensure that neither China, nor anyone else, can compensate Russia for these losses,” Sullivan told NBC television on Sunday. “In terms of the specific means of doing that, again, I’m not going to lay all of that out in public, but we will communicate that privately to China, as we have already done and will continue to do.”

The request for equipment and other kinds of unspecified military assistance comes as the Russian military struggles to make as much progress in Ukraine as western intelligence believe they expected.

It also raises fresh questions about the China-Russia relationship, which has grown increasingly strong as both countries express their opposition to the US over everything from Nato to sanctions.

China has portrayed itself as a neutral actor in the Ukraine crisis and has refused to condemn Russia for invading the country. The US has also seen no sign that Chinese president Xi Jinping is willing to put any pressure on Putin.

The two leaders signed a joint statement in Beijing last month describing the Beijing-Moscow partnership as having “no limits”, in another sign that the two capitals were drawing even closer together."


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Doubt xi will go for it. If anything he'll be smelling blood in the water.


Also TIL the easiest way to bypass the ft obnoxious copy/paste injection on mobile is to share the article to, for example, a messaging app rather than trying to copy it.
If true it pretty much 100% confirms that Russian losses are as horrendous as reported by Ukrainians if jot worse and that Russia's military might was smoke and mirrors.

Between that and reports that Russia is starting to depend hard on paramilitary mercs, Russia looks fucking pathethic, so pathethic that China is more likely to go for it and bite it's ass off in the east.
 
If true it pretty much 100% confirms that Russian losses are as horrendous as reported by Ukrainians if jot worse and that Russia's military might was smoke and mirrors.

Between that and reports that Russia is starting to depend hard on paramilitary mercs, Russia looks fucking pathethic, so pathethic that China is more likely to go for it and bite it's ass off in the east.
That is assuming US intelligence is to believed. These are the people who thought it would take the Taliban a month to take Kabul when it was in fact less than a week.
 
That is assuming US intelligence is to believed. These are the people who thought it would take the Taliban a month to take Kabul when it was in fact less than a week.
Intel was right on Afghan, it was a lot of "If X then it will take Y".

Turns out all those Ifs were true...

Those being "If the Afghan Army was bigger on paper than in reality..."
 
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Doubt xi will go for it. If anything he'll be smelling blood in the water.


Also TIL the easiest way to bypass the ft obnoxious copy/paste injection on mobile is to share the article to, for example, a messaging app rather than trying to copy it.

The PLA is suddenly looking nervously considering all of their Gen 3 MBTs are derived modification of the fucking T-55.
Those things are going to get fucking rinsed if stuff developed later is getting mulched.

They're literally upgraded T-55 derivatives with new turrets and control systems. The chassis are nearly the damn same. PLA is using the full blown Soviet style of just waves of everything. Hence 1200+ Type 99As. So far as I am aware their own composite armour has never been tried against anything beyond internal testing.

If its true, and I slightly doubt it considering the source, China will want to come out ahead completely against any geopolitical rival and they can do so here by doing nothing and effectively enslaving the Russian economy with their SWIFT alternative system alongside the Indians. All while making more notes on how the Javelin might fare against their own armour.

I'd bet on the Chinese getting themselves a few Javelins to look at and reverse engineer themselves if they haven't already, just like they incorporated one of the USMC manuals about ten years back.
 
The PLA is suddenly looking nervously considering all of their Gen 3 MBTs are derived modification of the fucking T-55.
Those things are going to get fucking rinsed if stuff developed later is getting mulched.

They're literally upgraded T-55 derivatives with new turrets and control systems. The chassis are nearly the damn same. PLA is using the full blown Soviet style of just waves of everything. Hence 1200+ Type 99As. So far as I am aware their own composite armour has never been tried against anything beyond internal testing.

If its true, and I slightly doubt it considering the source, China will want to come out ahead completely against any geopolitical rival and they can do so here by doing nothing and effectively enslaving the Russian economy with their SWIFT alternative system alongside the Indians. All while making more notes on how the Javelin might fare against their own armour.

I'd bet on the Chinese getting themselves a few Javelins to look at and reverse engineer themselves if they haven't already, just like they incorporated one of the USMC manuals about ten years back.

at this point armor seems to be left behind by the capabilities of anti-tank missiles, that race is lost. Added or improved armor will still loose to better warheads. There are some vids of tanks getting blown up by RPG team, and that's old skool. Also, there are rpg7 tandem shots that are tested to work well against reactive armor, but I have not seen a single one.

This is Ukrainian Stugna in action. They offer at least twice the range of javelins.

 
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