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Kane Lives said:
Jesus, these guys are gonna get slaughtered. What difference does a few days of training make?
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Honestly? In a situation like that? Not a whole lot of difference.

It takes months to fully train a soldier in basic WWII warfare, much longer if you include all the modern shit, and Ukraine doesn't have that sort of time. Either way, what makes a lot more difference in a situation like that is having experienced soldiers to guide the newbies. The volunteers are likely to be the ones put in defensive positions while the regular army (you know, the guys with the tanks and other heavy gear) push out.
 
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God of Nothing said:
Holy fucking based.
Vikings, step aside, the Russian raiders are here to stay.
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Weren't the Rus just Vikings that decided to settle down originally?
Ruin said:
I posted this in another thread but the Russians have massive stockpiles of gold, silver, precious metals, natural gas, and oil and their debt to GDP ratio is only 5%. We cannot tank our own economy to own the Russians, we will collapse before than they will.
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They've spent the past 8 years hardening their economy. They're food and energy independent, which is more than anywhere in the west can claim currently. Even with just domestic industrial capacity they could eke out an early 00s standard of living probably. Add in not having your populace preyed upon by western corporations and if they could make inroads into drug and alcohol abuse Russia might come out ok
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These people are actually retarded, aren't they? We are quite literally being led off a cliff by retards.
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I sense a huge amount of forward stock purchasing in the near future. Can't tax profits if there are none.
 
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Brahma said:
Weren't the Rus just Vikings that decided to settle down originally?
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The elites were Swedish traders who founded settlements and stopover points to facilitate trade to Byzantium and the Near East, but the majority of thd population were local Slavic and Finnic tribesmen who eventually integrated into a single people.
 
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Brahma said:
Weren't the Rus just Vikings that decided to settle down originally?

They've spent the past 8 years hardening their economy. They're food and energy independent, which is more than anywhere in the west can claim currently. Even with just domestic industrial capacity they could eke out an early 00s standard of living probably. Add in not having your populace preyed upon by western corporations and if they could make inroads into drug and alcohol abuse Russia might come out ok

I sense a huge amount of forward stock purchasing in the near future. Can't tax profits if there are none.
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It would be rather fascinating to see Russia genuinely succeed for that very reason you stated. Whatever moral objections anyone might have about the invasion and possible partitioning/annexation of Ukraine, there is a bigger question thats being answered about the future of the current world system.
If the Russian government pulls off their aims and wins what they want, which is to retain their sphere of influence and somehow eke out an independent greatness of some sort, then the strength of the Western system could be shaken and destroyed to a level comparable to the decolonization of the post WW2 period and we'll see a genuine contraction of the global system that we haven't seen since the Sovuet Union began. Much of the rationale people place off the fall of the Soviet Union was based on the idea that having it closed off meant it couldn't economically support itself like it should due to being such a tightly controlled system. A successful and independent Russia would break that presumption and in the wake of the current Western order, a Russia regaining an equivalent to early 2000s standard of living would be a massive demerit to a West with predatory property rates and economic depression.
 
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Shadfan666xxx000 said:
It would be rather fascinating to see Russia genuinely succeed for that very reason you stated. Whatever moral objections anyone might have about the invasion and possible partitioning/annexation of Ukraine, there is a bigger question thats being answered about the future of the current world system.
If the Russian government pulls off their aims and wins what they want, which is to retain their sphere of influence and somehow eke out an independent greatness of some sort, then the strength of the Western system could be shaken and destroyed to a level comparable to the decolonization of the post WW2 period and we'll see a genuine contraction of the global system that we haven't seen since the Sovuet Union began. Much of the rationale people place off the fall of the Soviet Union was based on the idea that having it closed off meant it couldn't economically support itself like it should due to being such a tightly controlled system. A successful and independent Russia would break that presumption and in the wake of the current Western order, a Russia regaining an equivalent to early 2000s standard of living would be a massive demerit to a West with predatory property rates and economic depression.
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It would be really nice to see Russia have a government not dedicated to fucking over the average Ivan in order to line the pockets of oligarchs.

However, one thing we see historically is that your only real alternative to constant warfare is domination by some kind of imperial hegemon. So I wouldn't be too enthusiastic about the breakdown of America's postwar empire. As gay and retarded as it's gotten, and as inevitable as the wane of empires always seems to be, what always follows is a lot of war and suffering. I doubt the late 21st century will be any exception.
 
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Ruin said:
No.
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Aw.
Shadfan666xxx000 said:
It would be rather fascinating to see Russia genuinely succeed for that very reason you stated. Whatever moral objections anyone might have about the invasion and possible partitioning/annexation of Ukraine, there is a bigger question thats being answered about the future of the current world system.
If the Russian government pulls off their aims and wins what they want, which is to retain their sphere of influence and somehow eke out an independent greatness of some sort, then the strength of the Western system could be shaken and destroyed to a level comparable to the decolonization of the post WW2 period and we'll see a genuine contraction of the global system that we haven't seen since the Sovuet Union began. Much of the rationale people place off the fall of the Soviet Union was based on the idea that having it closed off meant it couldn't economically support itself like it should due to being such a tightly controlled system. A successful and independent Russia would break that presumption and in the wake of the current Western order, a Russia regaining an equivalent to early 2000s standard of living would be a massive demerit to a West with predatory property rates and economic depression.
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This assumes that Russia's government will be stable and work with the best interests of its people in mind, when it's pretty clear that it's not and it doesn't. I don't know if it's the Russian psyche or just that they've had endless bad luck, or what, but Russia has been run by successive strong-man dictators for most of the last three hundred years. The only difference between now and the soviet era is that Russia had more access to western markets - though not that much more. Certainly after the 50s, the Soviet Union had fairly free access to markets outside of the US, including Europe, where you could buy all sorts of goods from them, and where they bought goods and resources that weren't as easily available within their borders. Just one example: My dentist used to have an AC unit made in the USSR, which eh bought in the 1970s. It was still working in 2002.

Other than US trade restrictions, their isolation was largely self-inflicted, either by internal restrictions on what could be sold out of the union, mistrust of "foreign influence" (paranoia about outsiders is another ancient Russian pastime), or plain old graft, corruption and nepotism stunting their industrial and scientific capabilities. In that regard, Putin is no different than almost any leader Russia has had over the centuries; a strong-man dictator who surrounds himself with the sort of people who cosy up to dictators in the hope of power and riches. He made his most loyal people insanely wealthy and immensely powerful without even pretending to give crumbs to the common man, but their loyalty is predicated entirely on the continuance of that wealth and power. Win or lose, I'll be surprised if he isn't toppled for the Ukraine invasion; it's costing too many of his loyalists too much.
 
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To go with Lil' Ben's interview with Maher where he has star fucker eyes, the new RINO attempt to stop Trump in 2024 is at the bargaining stage, Hey Guize The Republican Party Was Always Trumpism!

What's interesting to see is as Pierre Delecto goes after Surf Mommy and calls her treasonous, even RINOs are realizing this is bad optics for a man who never went to war (but was pro draft), and his 5 sons never signed up either. Like everything Romney does he thinks he gets a win for being right about Russia a decade ago, only to get too wrapped up smelling his own farts.

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