Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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Ah, the Japan treatment, that worked so well in the past.
Those are suggestions by Zelensky. And Zelensky's extremely desperate, i believe he's probably bargaining for a lesser, more attainable deal or result.
Like when something is too expensive and you try to reduce the price as much as you can.
Reuters article about it
 
Is it really that hard to believe Ukraine just does not want to be part of Russia? Canada and the USA share the same language, have similar cultures and a deeply intertwined history, and if you ask the average Canadian if they want to see American tanks rolling into Edmonton you would probably get a negative response.

For all the talk that I've swallowed "the propaganda" of Globohomo, there sure are alot of people who have swallowed the Russian propaganda too. I get that there is nuance to the conflict here, but at the end of the day Russia was the one who decided to send tanks over the border preemptively.
I live in Canada, I would strongly advise people here to not fight the US if they decided to invade. Dying for Trudeau and a maple leaf on a flag is pointless. Identifying with the impersonal bureaucracy that rules over you to the extent of sacrificing your life to continue its existence is the product of romantic propaganda promoted by said bureaucracy. Your genuine interests(having a living family, living in a house that hasn’t been reduced to rubble, eating food) should be more important to you than fighting someone else’s war.
 
I live in Canada, I would strongly advise people here to not fight the US if they decided to invade. Dying for Trudeau and a maple leaf on a flag is pointless. Identifying with the impersonal bureaucracy that rules over you to the extent of sacrificing your life to continue its existence is the product of romantic propaganda promoted by said bureaucracy. Your genuine interests(having a living family, living in a house that hasn’t been reduced to rubble, eating food) should be more important to you than fighting someone else’s war.
Well then I guess you and me just have fundamentally different world views. Really got nothing to say to that other then I disagree wholeheartedly but I can't argue with your logic as it's sound. One of those odd scenarios where there is more then one "right" answer, and the "right" one comes down to belief structure.
 
Is it really that hard to believe Ukraine just does not want to be part of Russia? Canada and the USA share the same language, have similar cultures and a deeply intertwined history, and if you ask the average Canadian if they want to see American tanks rolling into Edmonton you would probably get a negative response.

For all the talk that I've swallowed "the propaganda" of Globohomo, there sure are alot of people who have swallowed the Russian propaganda too. I get that there is nuance to the conflict here, but at the end of the day Russia was the one who decided to send tanks over the border preemptively.

Look, I don't like Putin like everyone here but this was going to spillover eventually.

A future Ukrainian offensive into Donbass would have happened no matter what and they would have been successful (Ukraine doesn't want to be in limbo forever, Ukraine's economy was going to hit rock bottom and Zelensky's public approval was in the shitter before this).

It was the Russians who made the first step because they knew they'd be fucked if Ukraine recaptured the separatist regions.
 
Look, I don't like Putin like everyone here but this was going to spillover eventually.

A future Ukrainian offensive into Donbass would have happened no matter what and they would have been successful (Ukraine doesn't want to be in limbo forever, Ukraine's economy was going to hit rock bottom and Zelensky's public approval was in the shitter before this).

It was the Russians who made the first step because they knew they'd be fucked if Ukraine recaptured the separatist regions.
The issue is in the term. "Separatist". Russias claim to Donbass is even more tenuous then its claim to Crimea. The DPR and Luhansk were always just Russian proxies designed to assert the primary claim, which was Crimea, and their failure to seal the deal in 2014 by capturing Mariople and securing the Azov coast and a land route to Russia was what led to the Cold War between Ukraine and Russia. It's also why the Second Battle of Mariople is so brutal now.

This war is simply attempting to do what Russia failed to do in 2014. Secure Crimea. To do that they need Mariople and the upstream water source of the Dneiper. Both objectives Russia failed to secure in their "totally not an invasion guys, perfectly natural civil insurrection" in 2014. The enclaves in Eastern Ukraine are nothing more then springboard for the invasion of Ukraine. Covert to begin with and overt now. That is all they ever were and it is all they are now. If Russia wins they will dissappear within a week.

The issue the Russian Federation is running into now is the same one they ran into in 2014. The Russian speakers in Ukraines east aren't as on-board with the whole greater Russia idea as Putin seems to believe. Two Russian populated cities are, right now, being reduced to stalingrad tier situations. By the Russian Army. Eastern European politics may be Byzantine, but the body count does not lie and simplifies things to a large degree.
 
Haven't paid attention to this in a week, but checking my boomer Yahoo mail and seeing headlines like "Ukraine on the offensive!" and "Zalensky mercifully offers Russian troops chance to stop fighting and live." Sounds like Ukraine doesn't need any help and has Moscow surrounded with Putin in his bunker with a gun in mouth?
 
Thinking about this some more, it's weird how the war is going so badly for Putin, unnamed top Kremlin sources are telling Western media that the walls are closing in on Putler, Western security experts predict the Russian army is about to collapse any day now, etc.

But instead of pointing and laughing, DC is still shrieking autistically, alienating the Indians and the Chinese, inviting Zelenskyyy to lecture them by Zoom on how we need to fight his country's wars, and now talking shit about no sail zones.

Don't make no sense. I don't remember Dubya or his sidekicks acting like hyperventilating speds when Saddam was getting his ass kicked.
There is a mad impatience among the leaders of generation Woke. If the Ukies are fed a enough MANPADs and other gear, a Russian Army which already started in a degraded form, sitting well below the securocrats, with such low to mid quality, easily lit shit like the T-90 (most crew above ammo, dangerous auto-loader lacking air con, unable to take truly effective ammo, no thermal sight, and so on), or ancient and nearly identical stuff like the T-72, which seems unable to provide effective air support should result in Putin having to make a square one deal with some light face saving (maybe not as the Ukie parliament won't accept ceding Crimea) and then afterwards face all the oligarchs and courtier businessmen he made much poorer. Selling gas to PRC is a useless idea as the Chinese pay far less than Western markets. These boomer and gen x cannot seem to be able to let matters work out. Anyhow, they have little choice except to support Ukraine defending itself to reasonable terms. Putin might be making an empty threat, but the sanction system and rhetoric pushes him into a corner where options are close to nothing else. Boomer and gen x pols seem to have assimilated the zoomer tendency to think only in terms of polar opposites. If JFK was like them, nuclear war would have happened over fifty years ago.
 
Have some cringe

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what can you do with rupees? import stuff from india and play the forex markets, that's it, right? no other major international trade uses this currency as far as i know
Correct, so Russia just basically trades their resources and goods for a currency that's worth next o nothing. Oh, and at a discounted price as well. Its nothing but desperation at this point
I remember a pajeet anon on 4chan once said he was confused by the term "vidya" when he first encountered it, since Vidya is also the name of a Hindu deity.
You're also correct
There seems to be conflicting information regarding China’s considering aiding Russia. Apparently, China claims that US is spreading disinformation. On the other hand, US officials insist that their intel is true.
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The wording by the chinks made this their usual "they're definitely doing it but won't admit" bs, so yes, the chinks are absolutely doing it.


Also, there's a report that Russia actually did ask for Chinese military stuffs. One of them being SAM. So its more believable now that Ukrainian Air Force still exist and gave the Ruskies lots of troubles. Oh, and armored vehicles, they're also asking for that. So whatever happens to their fleet of armors, Russia now needed old Soviet and Chinese-made toys to make up for their losses
 
Theres a few spots you could effectively deny them, but at the end of the day Russia is just to fucking big. I don't think even all the nato members combined, including the US, have enough ships to do a full blockade of Russia.

I wonder if they were talking about denial of access to the suez and Panama canals. That's about the only thing I could think of outside of denying sea access to st Petersburg and Kalingrad.
Can confirm that's probably what they're talking about. Played a round of CoN once and blockaded the Panama canal, charged Russia and America to pass through it wow

RT tho they won't blockade jack or shit as that's just gonna escalate lol.
 
The issue is in the term. "Separatist". Russias claim to Donbass is even more tenuous then its claim to Crimea. The DPR and Luhansk were always just Russian proxies designed to assert the primary claim, which was Crimea, and their failure to seal the deal in 2014 by capturing Mariople and securing the Azov coast and a land route to Russia was what led to the Cold War between Ukraine and Russia. It's also why the Second Battle of Mariople is so brutal now.

This war is simply attempting to do what Russia failed to do in 2014. Secure Crimea. To do that they need Mariople and the upstream water source of the Dneiper. Both objectives Russia failed to secure in their "totally not an invasion guys, perfectly natural civil insurrection" in 2014.

The issue they are running into now though is the same one they ran into in 2014. The Russian speakers in Ukraines east aren't as on-board with the whole greater Russia idea as Putin seems to believe. Two Russian populated cities are, right now, being reduced to stalingrad tier situations. By the Russian Army. Eastern European politics may be Byzantine, but the body count does not lie and simplifies things to a large degree.

Semantics aside, you're saying that Ukraine is in their whole right to recapture those separatist regions.

I don't care if you think Ukraine is "morally right" to take those regions in a very bloody military offensive. Russia would have came to the rescue anyway and we would be in the same situation as today.

No matter how you spin it or how morally righteous you think Ukraine would be in their actions, this would have ended in with dead children, dead civilians and cities burning.
 
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BREAKING :

"A British journalist has reportedly been injured in Ukraine today and is now in intensive care."

"Fox News reporter Benjamin Hall seriously injured after incident near Kyiv, prosecutor says"

Journos are now getting shot every week in KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEV.
It brings joy to my heart hearing this. These morons don't seem to grasp that this isn't another adventure in the sandbox against illiterate goat herders with rifles and mortars older than they are. This is a conflict where both side have modern equipment. They're also just as likely to get shot by twitchy Ukrainians with the saboteur hysteria going round, and I'm sure they're filming military positions and buildings which could make them a threat if they're giving away positions. Remember kids the only good journalist is a dead one.
 
Some protester stormed a TV station today. Anyone able to translate?
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The top one says "People who are not indifferent to what is happening in the Ukraine or in the world" and then in the smaller text that's red and blue "come in on the sucker, in the division of political touch/politics"
 
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