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Apparently it’s not very good, it’s such a shame because from the trailers it was such a bizarre premise I thought thud pulloff some really amazing stuff with it but no, Mucz this ain’t. The film is funny and has very high quality animation and cute characters but that’s about it. A way more slight offering from the studio.

Also fucking kudos to him pointing out all the bitching about the character designs on Twitter, remember people!! this whole ‘Calarts’ style all cartoon nerds bitch about nowadays is a misleading non-term popularised by the king hack motherfucking John K himself. It was made simply out of spite because he was jealous at the stuff that CN we’re putting out these days getting more success than he ever had and wanted to coin a revenge phrase to get back at those he didn’t like. Don’t be sheep to friggin John K internet, all this misinformation about current western animation terms and speculations needs to stop.
I liked him better when he made ytps of the Arthur version Lance Armstrong. He should have an heroed himself and not pie pivot montier.

Speaking of Arthur anyone else think Aok made a better grown up Arthur before we got the canonical grown up Arthur?

I miss AOK, this is the second time they've gone MIA. They used to be ADHD partnered with fox animation but that partnership has long since vanished. They tried to go indie as AOK but haven't uploaded in two years, can't tell if it's lack of support, the covid getting worse as time goes by, low funding or any combo of the three.
 
I liked him better when he made ytps of the Arthur version Lance Armstrong. He should have an heroed himself and not pie pivot montier.

Speaking of Arthur anyone else think Aok made a better grown up Arthur before we got the canonical grown up Arthur?

I miss AOK, this is the second time they've gone MIA. They used to be ADHD partnered with fox animation but that partnership has long since vanished. They tried to go indie as AOK but haven't uploaded in two years, can't tell if it's lack of support, the covid getting worse as time goes by, low funding or any combo of the three.
Agreed; dude got so up his ass when he moved on to the dime a dozen career of reviewing animation. A shame sine his YTPs were actually really good.
As for Turning Red, it’s just so meh. The story has the potential to be off beat and different good but ends up being Disney Channel tier rather than Pixar tier. The art style and animation is just so awkward and off putting, not the good kind of different ala Spider-Verse.
Not the worst thing ever, not even the worst Pixar movie, but I don’t see how this is “Pixar’s best movie yet” or why negative reviews got so much vitriol.
 
or why negative reviews got so much vitriol.
Because this movie was made by an Asian woman and a staff almost entirely consisting of women. Therefore you're not allowed to say anything bad about the movie and if you do it must be because you're a bigot who laughs when poor Asians get shoved in front of subway trains (by big scary black men but we don't mention that part)


Anyways, started watching Amphibia at last, I think I see now why everyone's calling it the "Owl House killer." Owl house started ok at best albeit heavily flawed, but then squandered and flushed whatever potential it had by going woke. Amphibia starts out strong and hopefully stays this good.


The only thing I find off is Anne's voice, I know its an old joke about adult VA's sounding too old to be voicing kids, but from the moment Anne started talking the voice sounded almost twice the character's age. Say what you want about Owl house's characters but at least I'd believe they're voiced by real kids.

You had me at Brad Bird. Dude is one of the few animation directors out there today who knows his shit (The Iron Giant, Ratatouille, The Incredibles 1 + 2), and the fact that he's teaming up with Lasseter again makes me cautiously optimistic.
Really skydance should be called Pheonix studios, from the ashes of pixar (and John Lasseter's rep) comes a new hope of western animation.
Yeah it's very weird a bunch of blue checkmarks like Matt McMuscles responded to it too.
The guy behind the series Wha Happened? aww if it's the same guy that's a darn shame I actually like that series (again assuming it's the same guy we're talking about here)
 
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Anyways, started watching Amphibia at last, I think I see now why everyone's calling it the "Owl House killer." Owl house started ok at best albeit heavily flawed, but then squandered and flushed whatever potential it had by going woke. Amphibia starts out strong and hopefully stays this good.
Yeah even before Owl House & Amphibia aired, everyone was expecting Owl House to be a good show about girl learning magic & having misadventures with her witch mentor. Then when it turned out the show was nothing but that a school SoL Harry Potter rip-off with lesbians, most bailed on the show, just look at the ratings after the first episode. Honestly no wonder the show got cancelled.
 
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Agreed; dude got so up his ass when he moved on to the dime a dozen career of reviewing animation. A shame sine his YTPs were actually really good.
As for Turning Red, it’s just so meh. The story has the potential to be off beat and different good but ends up being Disney Channel tier rather than Pixar tier. The art style and animation is just so awkward and off putting, not the good kind of different ala Spider-Verse.
Not the worst thing ever, not even the worst Pixar movie, but I don’t see how this is “Pixar’s best movie yet” or why negative reviews got so much vitriol.
I feel like the people who simply didn't like the art style got lumped in with the anti-calarts culture warriors who literally never shut the fuck up in any twitter thread. It's easy to conflate the two and even easier to write off everyone with a negative opinion due to this.
 
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Well I had hour to kill so I watched The Boys: Diabolical, an Animatrix-like Anthology for Amazon's The Boys. To feel more justified in sitting thru more of Amazon's edgy Capeshit I feel compelled to review the 8 episodes. I've color coded the episodes in case anyone wants to follow my recommendations. Obviously green is watch it, yellow is maybe, red is avoid.

Laser Baby's Day Out - Written by Seth Rogen and his partner in crime Evan Goldberg. Man after watching this my expectations of Rogen's TMNT Cartoon are so much lower. It's more or less an edgy ripoff of the classic Looney Tunes "Feed The Kitty" with a foolish well intentioned researcher trying to save a deemed failed superhero baby. The grossout gore just bored me to tears. After sitting thru it with its half assed retro style I was ready to drop this Anthology hard until I saw that each cartoon was going to be written and directed by different talent. All these shorts are 12 minutes long and this felt way longer. Skip it.
An Animated Short Where Pissed-Off Supes Kill Their Parents - It's a Justin Roiland Short. If you've watched Rick & Morty you know exactly what this is. It made me laugh a couple times but it's not anything special. Watch it if you like Rick & Morty humor. I'll admit Roiland's humor is a guilty pleasure for me even if I dropped Rick & Morty with Season 3.
I'm Your Pusher - This is a The Boys style short story set in the continuity of the original comics. The animation is pretty competent and it was pretty cool to see the original incarnation animated with Simon Pegg voicing Wee Hughie. Definitely worth watching for fans of the original comic and the tv show.
Boyd in 3D - This was actually my favorite short of the bunch. I felt it was a pretty well written short story about body dysmorphia, modern day Instagram/Tiktok fame & wealth, and drug abuse. The art style at first put me off but I grew to really like it because it was very well animated and the characters had some great emotional faces. The ending I think will annoy some people because it's one of the oldest cliches but I'm not even fully spoiling it in the tag because I felt it was well earned and just worked. In my opinion this short is worth watching even if you don't like The Boys. Kudos to Ilana Glazer and her brother they have some talent.
BFFs - After watching in my eyes one of the best cartoon short films I saw something that annoyed me so much I just had to skip it. I hate poorly done Faux-Anime, I think Awkwafina is a horrid writer who uses swears as a total crutch. And when the talking poop appeared I turned it off. Worst short of the bunch, unwatchable.
Nubian vs Nubian - A solid concept being pretty much a parody Black Panther and it made some funny jokes about how just downright cheesy it can be when African Americans try to reclaim their African heritage. Not to derail into :politisperg: but I can't help but applaud Aisha Tyler (Lana from Archer) for writing a little story that gently mocks Black Americans when they start dressing up daily in African clothing. Unfortunately Aisha is clearly not a writer and needed someone to punch up the script. The characters are all downright unlikable. It's an attempt to be like Archer without the fun wordplay and old pop culture references that made Archer an entertaining cartoon. Everyone in Archer is also pretty much shitbags but at the show's prime they're hilarious shitbags who all had moments of likability. Not a bad short but this type of content has been done better. I'm certain I'll forget about this one quite quickly.
John and Sun-Hee - A pretty decent if not a bit sappy story of accepting the death of your loved ones but it's backed by some pretty great animation and action. I mean jeez the action scenes here are just really well made. You can see some shortcuts had to be done, during one sequence a car is being driven and it feels like you're watching a 3D Model just move along on screen. It's not ridiculously bad like the infamous 2016 adaptation of Berserk but it's noticeable. The animation style does a really good job at hiding it though. Again like "Boyd in 3D" this one is worth viewing even if you're not a fan of The Boys. I'm impressed Andy Samberg.
One Plus One Equals Two - And this little anthology ends wisely with a story that's in the same continuity of the actual TV Show. This one is Homelander and the mysterious Black Noir stopping a terrorist attack. If you know The Boys then you pretty much know how this is going to go down. The animation is solid, Anthony Starr continues being a great actor for Homelander. Just a fun short story.

Anthology products are tough, even the best Anthology Series like The Twilight Zone and Outer Limits produced duds. This is no exception. But I was pleasantly surprised that I thoroughly enjoyed half the shorts and only hated two of them. I hope Seth Rogen & Evan Goldberg keep their input distant for Season 3 because I still think it's a fluke that The Boys has turned out to be an enjoyable Dark Comedy. The Preacher TV Show was straight up garbage. And I'm not giving them any credit for Invincible because Season 1 was more or less a straight up remake of the comic and I hope that continues being the case.
 
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so this may sound more like comic sperging but...I re watched the somewhat infamous episode of PPG (classic of course) equal fights and the scene where Femme Fatale asks the girls what other female superheroes there are that are heroes in their own right (ergo not a counterpart to male ones) never ceases to amuse me.


Even going by when this episode aired I can list a few right off the top of my head, Starfire, Raven, Scarlet Witch, Black Canary, Wasp, Kitty pride, Jubilee, Storm, Rouge, really all the female members of the x-men, and the kicker? Craig McCracken, Rob Renzetti and Genndy Tartakovsky who all worked on both this show and Dexter's lab all have claimed to be huge comic fans and cite old marvel and Dc comics and shows as inspiration for their work.

Then again either Craig or Genndy wrote the justice friends episode Krunk's date, (it doesn't list a writer in the credits just the art director and story board director) which basically was an episode where Hulk went on a date with She-Hulk aka his own cousin.
 
so this may sound more like comic sperging but...I re watched the somewhat infamous episode of PPG (classic of course) equal fights and the scene where Femme Fatale asks the girls what other female superheroes there are that are heroes in their own right (ergo not a counterpart to male ones) never ceases to amuse me.


Even going by when this episode aired I can list a few right off the top of my head, Starfire, Raven, Scarlet Witch, Black Canary, Wasp, Kitty pride, Jubilee, Storm, Rouge, really all the female members of the x-men, and the kicker? Craig McCracken, Rob Renzetti and Genndy Tartakovsky who all worked on both this show and Dexter's lab all have claimed to be huge comic fans and cite old marvel and Dc comics and shows as inspiration for their work.

Then again either Craig or Genndy wrote the justice friends episode Krunk's date, (it doesn't list a writer in the credits just the art director and story board director) which basically was an episode where Hulk went on a date with She-Hulk aka his own cousin.
That show was extremely well written in general. I'm not surprised Craig likes to ignore the reboot.
 
so this may sound more like comic sperging but...I re watched the somewhat infamous episode of PPG (classic of course) equal fights and the scene where Femme Fatale asks the girls what other female superheroes there are that are heroes in their own right (ergo not a counterpart to male ones) never ceases to amuse me.


Even going by when this episode aired I can list a few right off the top of my head, Starfire, Raven, Scarlet Witch, Black Canary, Wasp, Kitty pride, Jubilee, Storm, Rouge, really all the female members of the x-men, and the kicker? Craig McCracken, Rob Renzetti and Genndy Tartakovsky who all worked on both this show and Dexter's lab all have claimed to be huge comic fans and cite old marvel and Dc comics and shows as inspiration for their work.

Then again either Craig or Genndy wrote the justice friends episode Krunk's date, (it doesn't list a writer in the credits just the art director and story board director) which basically was an episode where Hulk went on a date with She-Hulk aka his own cousin.
wasn't this written by Lauren Faust?
 
Agreed; dude got so up his ass when he moved on to the dime a dozen career of reviewing animation. A shame sine his YTPs were actually really good.
As for Turning Red, it’s just so meh. The story has the potential to be off beat and different good but ends up being Disney Channel tier rather than Pixar tier. The art style and animation is just so awkward and off putting, not the good kind of different ala Spider-Verse.
Not the worst thing ever, not even the worst Pixar movie, but I don’t see how this is “Pixar’s best movie yet” or why negative reviews got so much vitriol.
Schaffilasproductions was definitely at his best years when he was a youtuberpooper. While I could understand moving past that, he seems to have been stuck in a worse place then he was before.
Compared how Schaffilasproductions turned out to fellow former Youtubepooper EmpLemon and it's night and day.
 
Yes it was. Along with two other female writers Amy Rogers and Lynne Reccardi
still you'd think they'd at least ask their close friends/colleagues working on the show, who just so happened to more in the know regarding comics for a little info especially when you remember she (Lauren) and Craig would later be married (unless they already were at the time idk) I guess Mrs. Faust's ego has always spoken for her not just after becoming a big shot.
 
so this may sound more like comic sperging but...I re watched the somewhat infamous episode of PPG (classic of course) equal fights and the scene where Femme Fatale asks the girls what other female superheroes there are that are heroes in their own right (ergo not a counterpart to male ones) never ceases to amuse me.


Even going by when this episode aired I can list a few right off the top of my head, Starfire, Raven, Scarlet Witch, Black Canary, Wasp, Kitty pride, Jubilee, Storm, Rouge, really all the female members of the x-men, and the kicker? Craig McCracken, Rob Renzetti and Genndy Tartakovsky who all worked on both this show and Dexter's lab all have claimed to be huge comic fans and cite old marvel and Dc comics and shows as inspiration for their work.

Then again either Craig or Genndy wrote the justice friends episode Krunk's date, (it doesn't list a writer in the credits just the art director and story board director) which basically was an episode where Hulk went on a date with She-Hulk aka his own cousin.
Pretty sure the only female heroes that are direct counterparts of male heroes of any renown are Supergirl, Batwoman/Batgirl and She-hulk. Captain Marvel counts too, but only as a technicality. This really is a dumbass take because there are literally more “standalone” female heroes than derivative ones.

As a matter of fact, derivative female heroes is very much a modern woke Marvel/DC problem, as they try to replace established male heroes with teenage girl knockoffs that nobody wants to read about.
 
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I feel like the people who simply didn't like the art style got lumped in with the anti-calarts culture warriors who literally never shut the fuck up in any twitter thread. It's easy to conflate the two and even easier to write off everyone with a negative opinion due to this.
It's not just a coincidence that the same people who like to produce this "style" tend to also produce shit stories.
 
I can’t get past the clash of art style with Turning Red. The expressions are way too cartoony and over-the top compared to what the rest of the show looks like.
Pixar failed at what Tartakovsky was able to execute when using traditional animation as a tool for expression in 3d film.
Instead, they tried to merge anime with the soulless soft-bean "CalArts" style and it creates a hideous and distracting contrast in having over the top facial expressions and dilating anime eyes placed on top of a stiff polished body.

It's CURSED.
 
I can’t get past the clash of art style with Turning Red. The expressions are way too cartoony and over-the top compared to what the rest of the show looks like.
It's worse than that, watching the movie itself, the visuals feel like Pixar only put in the effort towards the panda fur and the finale. Everything else that isn't the horrendous character design looks like either an illumination film or like it came out of the decade it's representing (which, given it's 2022, and Pixar's early 2000s movies were actually breaking ground technically speaking, is not a good thing). And I can't tell if it's because this film was affected by Ol' Corona, or it's just the art style.
 
Pixar failed at what Tartakovsky was able to execute when using traditional animation as a tool for expression in 3d film.
Instead, they tried to merge anime with the soulless soft-bean "CalArts" style and it creates a hideous and distracting contrast in having over the top facial expressions and dilating anime eyes placed on top of a stiff polished body.

It's CURSED.
Yeah, that’s what it was! A lot of the time the anime faces look like it’s literally just pasted on over the regular face. That’s what’s bothering me about it.
 
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