General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

It's really all about perception. Ever since EN debuted it was always easier to dislike Kiara and Mori. Kiara because of her absolutely unending numberfagging that would at times bleed over into a pity party. At this point I don't remember the specific times it happened, but I distinctly remember the awkward feelings I had watching Kiara turn milestones for her genmates into 'woe is me' sad fests. I'm pretty sure it didn't even happen more than a couple of times but that has always stuck with me. Also it doesn't help that she sounds abrasive because of that germanic dialect so everything sounds worse than it's intended to be, and the fact that she can say some awkward stuff to begin with. Don't forget the chicken voice either, and a number of other little things that just rubbed people the wrong way. All of this made her the easiest target for the doomposting.
However, Mori also received quite a bit of hate herself because of the reasons everyone else has mentioned above, but remember, she was also joined at the hip to Kiara because of the TakaMori garbage. Those two were a package deal and they were easily the most disliked pair on the EN side because they were already individually disliked, and then they were extremely hard to watch when they were together because that 'ship' really felt forced. The antithesis of this feeling back then was watching GurAme, or right now watching BaeRys. While she had people that enjoyed her music it was only a small part of her presence, as she mostly streamed, so that average holo fan mostly experienced the Mori cringe 98% of the time.

So why didn't someone abrasive like Amelia Watson get the same treatment as Kiara? Ame was pretty cringe during debut so how come she wasn't hated on like Mori? I think, like I said at the beginning, it's all about perception. Sure, Ame can be prickly and she has had a couple of brushes with the rrat machine, but it was usually kinda funny or at least she usually got sassy with some retards in chat who were asking for it. It felt less cunty because of her tone and how long it would go on for, and because she's had to hardcore tardwrangle her chat and turn them from a twitch chat into a 'normal' vtuber simp chat. She pretty much turned her disaster debut into lore and then showed up being a weird sweet gremlin character. She got a load of latitude from the general hololive fanbase because it felt like she was bringing much more to the table over the vast negative perceptions of the TakaMori unit.

These days I'm pretty sure most people have seen Kiara either care less about, or hide, her numberfaggotry, and they should've have seen by this point how much she cares about the rest of EN. She's always willing to help anyone in Holo if possible. Mori has consistently shown how much she likes all her new friends and how she's gotten way better at finding enjoyment in her job in general. The issue with Mori that keeps pushing me away from her is that I feel like every few months I start to warm up to her, only for her to do something that I just think is either retarded or needlessly disrespectful.

TL;DR First impressions do matter to an extent, and even though Kiara and Mori have gotten better they are still the easiest targets because of their past actions that affect us still today, and in Mori's case it is sometimes her present actions lmao.

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Disagree, that'd be the Mori Calliope Brap Tapes.
Idk I might have to agree with Weeb on this one. Maybe it depends on the definition of 'peak /vt/' but the lengths that some of those retards went to, just to find out that they were being, uh, 'cucked' I guess? By some average looking asian guy was hilarious. However, the best part in my opinion is that the guy was smug enough to mark his twitter location as "with ur waifu lole" as if he was proud of it, but I'm pretty sure they ended up actually breaking things off because of that incident anyway. Because the crazies were out there trying to get at him. So, in some ways, /vt/ kinda won that fight, and that would almost impressive if it wasn't so utterly sad. It was also the birth of the 'Gura is getting blacked' rrat because they misidentified some black guy as the person she used to stream with as Senzawa.
 
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Or she has moved in with a boyfriend and she's worried they made some noise while moving things around as they're still moving in, they wouldn't be used to being quiet while she streams yet, especially as she's got headphones on and can't confirm if anything happened.

Hiding something means something to hide, right?

Kronii was just like "yeah that's my mom sneezing". So insta-privating a stream means something was risky enough for her to do so?

Edit: A man's voice in the background would create rrats even the normie would see. She's EN, so it wouldn't destroy her fucking life like Rushia did to herself. But it could tank her growth for a bit of she lost her big simps this early.
You say that, but as her old Lily Lemonleaf persona she talked about being with a guy named Eddy. Fauna doesn't do the whole GFE thing anyways, so the Rushia angle shouldn't worry her. She's been pretty explicit in separating the roleplay ASMR stuff she does, and her day to day streaming persona. I can't think of a time she's done "baiting for superchats", and in fact pushes back against people superchatting a lot much like Ina and Watson.

Honestly, good for her if they are still together and moved in. I know I'd rather have my chuuba in a relationship and happy/stable, than being menhara about whatever status they're in like Rushia or Matsuri.
Ame-geddon was peak /vt
Disagree, that'd be the Mori Calliope Brap Tapes.
 
I don't know which is better or worse.

The Kiara loops are generally more heated and autistic but the posts are kept to condensed outbursts.

The Calli loops are more calm and collected but people out here writing novels opining on why they don't enjoy a streamer. (and I say this fully aware that I'm longwinded as fuck)

So you have your choice of flavors 🎩 Kiara posting or 🧩 calli posting

Till a pippa stream starts and the thread is distracted by funny rabbit till we begin the new loop tomorrow.
 
The tako may be just a little addicted to Elden Ring.

"OK, we see the festival ONCE and then we end stream"
"Go next!"
"One more try!"
"One more one more one more one more"
"One more one more, just oooooone more attempt"
"That one didn't count"
"This is the last one. The real real last one"
"Oh no, what happened? I blacked out for a second. Here's the final attempt"

8 attempts "last" tries and YT shit the bed right as she was ending.
 
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New Niji Debut from VTA(Virtual Academy)
Ranunculus Tweet


Yup, looks like Umise Yotsuha, Amagase Muyu, and Ponto Nei made it in. They will keep their same names from VTA, but have new designs.

Also looks like Niji saw the success of EN's format, since like the EN waves they will have a debut song. This one by Keiichi Hirokawa of MONACA.
 
The tako may be just a little addicted to Elden Ring.

"OK, we see the festival ONCE and then we end stream"
"Go next!"
"One more try!"
"One more one more one more one more"
"One more one more, just oooooone more attempt"
"That one didn't count"

6 attempts and counting.
She's really gotten into the Fromsoft loop of "every death is an opportunity to git gud".

EDIT: lmao Youtube stopping it for her.
 
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Saruei drama with Flam, hmm
I'm gonna watch this later (or his video since he's making a video too). So far it feels like he wanted to go against the grain and had a set narrative of "Twitter's being dumb" without have a good reason to think that.
I felt this way after looking through this thread's reaction and seeing Flam say "he {Darius] didn't accuse the artist of tracing, he was simply speculating about it and disqualified because of it".
 
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I don't disagree, but then I have to ask what the point is of being a VTuber at all? Not to make this too philosophical but the pink haired anime girl avatar does need to add something to the experience to make it worthwhile, in my view. Calli, to me, always comes across as treating that part as an afterthought. She puts an almost negative amount of effort into working with the model to create character. The eyes are always wildly flaying around, movement of the body is jerky and oftentimes she just moves out of range of the tracking software completely stopping the animation in its tracks. I know how petty this might sound but all of the VTubers I do like manage to work with the limitations of the Live2D to create a somewhat immersive experience, which I think is kind of the point of the whole thing. Karen just being Karen feels like a complete misunderstanding (and frankly disdain) of the medium.

Having said that, I do enjoy the Jump King streams because those are just banter podcasts and the guests are PNGs anyway. The visual component is not necessary.
Calli's eyes dart all over the place because her setup is disorganized as fuck. She has 3 monitors and they all have different things on them so she can never really find what she's looking for. As for her jerky movements, it could just be that she can't really control herself when she starts laughing. Not much you can do about that. Proper posture and etiquette is something you have to worry about more when you have tracking software running, and it's something that I'm constantly tweaking so my eyes don't close if I so much as look down.

Most people here probably know that I'm a vtuber at this point, been going at it since October 2020. One of the things that is constantly on my mind is how to manipulate the model in a way that is fun for the viewers and easy for me. Calli really doesn't do much, if anything...and neither do the rest of them, honestly. I think Ame is the only one who does really weird stuff with the model and effects, while the others just slap a trackable PNG over their current model. I'd All of Kiara's hands that she uses for Yakuza are just layered over her model and bound to the tracking (if they're bound at all).
She doesn't hate idols. She applied to be one and got in. She USED to resent them, but has since discovered she was "being a jealous ho", Kiara was an actual idol ffs and they are good friends so it would be pretty weird for her to hate idols still.

Her being an outsider is definitely true, she came out the gate swinging quite literally. Swearing and collabing with penis-havers. Kiara had to tentatively ask recently (1 and a half years in) if KFP would be OK with it, calli just does. Deadbeats aren't called cuck-beats now for nothing. The majority advocate her streaming/collabing with guys if she wants and over 20K turned up to her first DD stream, even though everyone already knew what she looks like and follows her on DD.

If you listen to the DD stream she talks about how being calli is in fact incredibly draining sometimes, so she's definitely not being completely herself and playing a character, it just happens to be VERY close to her normal self through some filters, as opposed to acting a whole other character. I'd say that's pretty normal to be honest, many holo members have a very thin keyfabe.

She doesn't hate that hololive made her big, she's way past that, she is now "suffering from success" because she's got everything she's ever wanted before 30 years old and is still fucking depressed. Turns out being famous and successful doesn't fix underlying issues you may have about yourself :P
I think for her it's the fact that there's a corporate filter so she can't be as open with her audience as she would like. That and I'd imagine that she and the other holos talk a lot with management between streams about their content, numbers, upcoming event planning and the like. As Dice she can be her own boss with that but as Calli she has to march to the beat of Cover's drum. I think she's talking about all aspects of the job with that speech she did, not just the streaming part.
It's really all about perception. Ever since EN debuted it was always easier to dislike Kiara and Mori. Kiara because of her absolutely unending numberfagging that would at times bleed over into a pity party. At this point I don't remember the specific times it happened, but I distinctly remember the awkward feelings I had watching Kiara turn milestones for her genmates into 'woe is me' sad fests. I'm pretty sure it didn't even happen more than a couple of times but that has always stuck with me. Also it doesn't help that she sounds abrasive because of that germanic dialect so everything sounds worse than it's intended to be, and the fact that she can say some awkward stuff to begin with. Don't forget the chicken voice either, and a number of other little things that just rubbed people the wrong way. All of this made her the easiest target for the doomposting.
However, Mori also received quite a bit of hate herself because of the reasons everyone else has mentioned above, but remember, she was also joined at the hip to Kiara because of the TakaMori garbage. Those two were a package deal and they were easily the most disliked pair on the EN side because they were already individually disliked, and then they were extremely hard to watch when they were together because that 'ship' really felt forced. The antithesis of this feeling back then was watching GurAme, or right now watching BaeRys. While she had people that enjoyed her music it was only a small part of her presence, as she mostly streamed, so that average holo fan mostly experienced the Mori cringe 98% of the time.

So why didn't someone abrasive like Amelia Watson get the same treatment as Kiara? Ame was pretty cringe during debut so how come she wasn't hated on like Mori? I think, like I said at the beginning, it's all about perception. Sure, Ame can be prickly and she has had a couple of brushes with the rrat machine, but it was usually kinda funny or at least she usually got sassy with some retards in chat who were asking for it. It felt less cunty because of her tone and how long it would go on for, and because she's had to hardcore tardwrangle her chat and turn them from a twitch chat into a 'normal' vtuber simp chat. She pretty much turned her disaster debut into lore and then showed up being a weird sweet gremlin character. She got a load of latitude from the general hololive fanbase because it felt like she was bringing much more to the table over the vast negative perceptions of the TakaMori unit.

These days I'm pretty sure most people have seen Kiara either care less about, or hide, her numberfaggotry, and they should've have seen by this point how much she cares about the rest of EN. She's always willing to help anyone in Holo if possible. Mori has consistently shown how much she likes all her new friends and how she's gotten way better at finding enjoyment in her job in general. The issue with Mori that keeps pushing me away from her is that I feel like every few months I start to warm up to her, only for her to do something that I just think is either retarded or needlessly disrespectful.

TL;DR First impressions do matter to an extent, and even though Kiara and Mori have gotten better they are still the easiest targets because of their past actions that affect us still today, and in Mori's case it is sometimes her present actions lmao.

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Idk I might have to agree with Weeb on this one. Maybe it depends on the definition of 'peak /vt/' but the lengths that some of those retards went to, just to find out that they were being, uh, 'cucked' I guess? By some average looking asian guy was hilarious. However, the best part in my opinion is that the guy was smug enough to mark his twitter location as "with ur waifu lole" as if he was proud of it, but I'm pretty sure they ended up actually breaking things off because of that incident anyway. Because the crazies were out there trying to get at him. So, in some ways, /vt/ kinda won that fight, and that would almost impressive if it wasn't so utterly sad. It was also the birth of the 'Gura is getting blacked' rrat because they misidentified some black guy as the person she used to stream with as Senzawa.
I find that hard to believe since Calli was the second person of EN to reach a million, not too far behind Gura. Gura was and still is an absolute powerhouse (though I can't imagine why, I guess she captures zoomer humor very well but I personally don't like her all that much) while with Calli, I'm gonna 100% bet it was because of the music. That creates a weird dichotomy where you didn't give a fuck what she does on stream, but you would sub because you wanted to know when she'd drop a track next. I will that I think I enjoyed Ina's streams the most in the early days while I watched Calli more out of a strange attraction. I could consider her my oshi easily but I honestly don't think she's the best streamer in EN.

In other news regarding the cunty frog....
 
For any rratmeisters out there here is the voice "yab" on Faunas stream: https://vocaroo.com/19mwqhXRTshs
Just seems like a news broadcast or maybe a podcast got picked up by her microphone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Huh, how in the absolute hell did that get picked up. Wonder if some kind of interference somehow? Either way, makes me hope her new location will actually end up working out for streaming. Don't want her to regularly have to deal with bullshit like this.
 
I don't know which is better or worse.

The Kiara loops are generally more heated and autistic but the posts are kept to condensed outbursts.

The Calli loops are more calm and collected but people out here writing novels opining on why they don't enjoy a streamer. (and I say this fully aware that I'm longwinded as fuck)

So you have your choice of flavors 🎩 Kiara posting or 🧩 calli posting

Till a pippa stream starts and the thread is distracted by funny rabbit till we begin the new loop tomorrow.
I feel people are kind of too hard on them here sometimes at least for Kiara. They both have grown a lot since their debut, and I think make good reminders that you don't have to be perfect to do this line of work. Honestly more endearing to see them grow.
 
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For any rratmeisters out there here is the voice "yab" on Faunas stream: https://vocaroo.com/19mwqhXRTshs
Just seems like a news broadcast or maybe a podcast got picked up by her microphone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You can hear the words "Ukraine" "President Trump" and "Rudy Giuliani" so my rrat machine is being boring by telling me it's just her new neighbors' watching the news that got picked up somehow.
 
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