Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[biozeminadae1]

What exactly is owed by Ukrainians to Russia? Do we consider Ukrainians by their passports or by their ethnic makeup?

Can Jews be Ukrainians?

And the Russians - do you mean Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin? Under what authority has he been vested a "collector of debt"?

Under authority as recreator of the Russian empire.

 

[Retink]

This last few-page flare up is the kind of shit that will make Null delete our fun autistic monkey-screeching dome (and I DO NOT want to lose it).

But I need my autistic screeching!

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Opinions are required to be guaranteed by actions?

noun

1. 
   a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
   "that, in my opinion, is right"

Look if someone broke into your house and started raping your wife and you just stood there and said "Hey you shouldn't do that, that's wrong." You would be correct in your opinion but someone could criticize you for not trying to stop it. I'm not saying your opinion is invalid because you won't do something to try to stop the Russians, I think it's invalid for other reasons and I'm not saying you should actually go fight. I'm just saying given the stance you've taken of being opposed to the invasion and given that you live in the country that is being invaded, it's a fair line of attack to say why aren't you going to do something about it if you are able to do so and it's also an easy way to bait you.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Can Jews be Ukrainians?

We would have to determine whom we consider as a Ukrainian then, which is kind of a question and whether we consider Jews as a separate ethnicity altogether.

Under authority as recreator of the Russian empire.

What is the practical reasoning for this re-creation? Was it a stated goal by Putin? His televised speech talked about "denazification" and "demilitarization".

 

[murph]

From what I see, Ukraine isn't getting its "shit pushed in" but it is also not winning, and there is no cavalry riding in to the rescue. NATO isn't coming. The EU isn't coming. A few stupid Redditors are coming and that's just terrible for everyone involved.

It's all tragic and fuck Russia for doing this but it's 4th quarter and I don't see how Ukraine can win it.

It's just a question of how much blood is acceptable to both parties.

 

[Kenya Jones]

Some people fight with weapons and anti tank missiles. Me? I convince myself I've reduced my countries online enemies to tears by calling them faggots and threatening to rape their deceased relatives in online forums while chewing down donated expired kielbasa from the safety of Polish emergency refugee accommodation. My service may not win me any medals, but in my heart I know I deserve one

I may not be Romanian but I'm fucking stealing that.

I agree I don't think the Ukrainians should fight, they should lay down their arms and accept their fate but @Vince McMahon doesn't seem to think that way and. That's my point.

If your wife said she is gonna get fucked by a large African American man in front of you, I am guessing you would let this happen.

That wasn't his point, his point was that warfare today only relies on skilled fighters so him volunteering as a grunt wouldn't help the cause. You are just agreeing with my point.

He can do whatever he wants, I do think he is a pussy for not fighting for his country but if he is a tiny weak bitch or a fat fuck he is better off not being a waste of resources. Even the average man or woman is a better fighter than someone who is too weak to use it properly.

True, but it felt like the last 24 hours we were pretty damn good at being "civil" autistic savages, lol. This last few-page flare up is the kind of shit that will make Null delete our fun autistic monkey-screeching dome (and I DO NOT want to lose it).

I'm crashing this forum. With no survivors!

Just going to drunkenly point something out to you niggers. If Ukraine was even remotely organized, a lot of these foreign veterans of the Afghanistan war coming in would be shoved into a single cohesive unit and would be acting largely independently. They are instead being sent off to "Kyiv" with basically nothing and given the video posted earlier, it sounds like the top prospects among this foreign legion which would be the US special forces veterans are now actively helping foreign volunteers get out of the country and back into Poland. It doesn't sound like Ukraine has even actually designated a single person to act as a commander to this foreign legion given the fact that they seem to regularly raid even their intake facilities with police. Even their online shit doesn't seem to be well planned out. For instance, let us say I'd Ukrained out and decided to join their foreign legion as a veteran. I'd fully expect to have to upload a copy of my DD-214 to them in order for them to figure out whether or not I should be handed a rifle or a spatula . None of this seems to be actually happening. It seems like if you show up at their border, you kind of go into a holding pattern waiting for orders which will never come down. If things go "right" from there, it seems like they send you off to some fucking place that's not Kyiv like what they've been saying. Let's be honest, if they were sending you to Keiv where all the journos are, you'd be seeing a ton of interviews with western volunteers all over TV.

Theres plenty of pictures and videos and accounts of frontline volunteer units actually doing shit. You are just getting a very curated view of the war the same way redditors are.

Why? What can Ukraine do to Russia that will ultimately benefit the Ukrainian people?

Ask yourself what Russia will do for Ukraine.

This is an aside, but it's even because of Russia that the Ukrainian nationhood formed, it was just knyazdoms before, bound with a common culture and language, but no identity. The Donets even wasn't entirely theirs until the 20th century. The truth is Ukrainians owe a lot to Russia. And the Russians are finally collecting their debts.

I never understood this shit, the logic behind it is so flawed and retarded it doesn't even make sense why anyone would make this argument in the first place. Like how am I supposed to respond to a comment this dumb?

Up for debate? Son, I think you need to understand Russia is far better equipped and trained than what Western media tells you and unless the US steps in Zelensky is going to be a footnote in history class, if that.

Nigga I've been looking into Russian equipment looooong before this war. Russian equipment has been dogshit since at least the 70's, if it ever was any good. And as I pointed in many pages back, their back line stuff is not as good as anyone ever thought. Sorry you believe any anti-Russian beliefs come straight from the MSM, but there are people that actually research this stuff and have researched it for a long time. We will see what happens to Ukraine, but your over eagerness to claim that Russia is going to win while also believing that Russia has good equipment (and a lot of it) is downright laugh inducing.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

All he really had to do was ensure that the Ruskis didn't think he was going to join NATO and remain neutral.

Those were probably never really on the table to begin with. All the majority of Ukraine really wanted was closer ties with Europe as it offered more economic advantages than pursuing closer ties with Russia alone. Russia's the one who drove them into NATO's arms by attempting to keep them from having closer ties with the EU, then occupying Crimea and supporting rebellions in the eastern provinces when that failed. At that point neither Zelensky nor his predecessor had any choice but to seek closer ties with NATO to rebuild Ukraine's military precisely for the current sort of scenario where Putin decided it was time to try and take the whole country instead of just propping up a couple of would be republics.

He can defend, or save, his country by surrendering and ceasing all this bloodshed. It's on him, honestly.

Right. He can "defend" or "save" his country by allowing the invader to conquer it, take the eastern half of the country, and all the coastline(and its accompanying water claims in the Black Sea) for itself. Then maybe they'll allow what's left to become a landlocked puppet state with a government of the invader's choosing installed - likely after executing anyone who might stand up to them.

Yeah, no. Ending the bloodshed is on Putin. He's the aggressor. He's the one who thought he could conquer Ukraine and be welcomed with open arms as the world looked the other way and did nothing. He's the one who needs to admit he fucked up and that any "victory" he can achieve at this point is going to be a pyrrhic victory.

Zelensky and parliament might need to admit that Crimea and the areas held by rebels at the start of this are lost to them if that's what it takes to get Putin to call it quits sooner rather than later. But no more than that.

The reason people disagree with him is because Ukraine is not a country worth dying over for foreign nationals. This is as much a regional conflict as it is Yemen's war with Saudi Arabia.

So? That doesn't mean he isn't in the right to ask. It just means anyone who tells him "no" is in the right to do so.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

If he didn't destroy the thunderdome sections between the year I joined and now I doubt a bit of slapfighting in a thread on a topic the man doesn't really give a shit about either way is going to do it in. The faggots who whine, piss, and moan at him will have to at some point realize that one of the qualities Null has that's admirable is telling them to go fuck themselves.

To say nothing of the fact that he was the one to name it the autistic thunderdome, and precisely because of how tumultuous the conversations in it are.

True, but I don't like poking the bear (or in this case, the slobberdog) if I don't have to. Tiny spats, like the Israeli/Gaza flare-up last year, were enough to make Null post that he was "ashamed" of the site and wanted to delete everything political-ish. I don't want to tempt our main banana pepper doggo tbh.

Again, I want real info, maybe videos that aren't propaganda so blurry it would make a 2005 cell phone video blush, and the war to end so we know what is actually going on in "Fiddler on the Roof" land...

 

[biozeminadae1]

We would have to determine whom we consider as a Ukrainian then, which is kind of a question and whether we consider Jews as a separate ethnicity altogether.

I suppose East Slavic speakers who follow Orthodoxy with a near homogenous culture with other East Slavic speakers who also follow Orthodoxy is kind of vague.

What is the practical reasoning for this re-creation? Was it a stated goal by Putin? His televised speech talked about "denazification" and "demilitarization".

We'll have to find out until after the war has ended. Denazification or whatever are just causes for war, not the reasons for it.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

God damn it, I thought I told you tards to stop flinging shit like gorillas! It would have to take an act of God, Null, Chris-Chan, and/or the Anti-Christ to stop this shit flinging from interfering from my insomniac browsing habits.

 

[Vince McMahon]

>I do think he is a pussy for not fighting for his country

@Kenya Jones my explosive spregery aside, I could have my reasons.

It's funny how people who shout the loudest about their bravery or condemn others for their choices end up being the most cowardly when push comes to shove.

Something I've noticed over the years.

 

[PittyKitty]

No image because the images are fucked on this side, but as warned, the Eternal Pole calls for WW3.

I warned you about P*les.

AFAIK Ukraine is STILL a sovereign country and can accept into its border any convoy.
From what I understand they want to send a convoy full of food and medicines but protected milliatary (obviously).
It shouldn't be NATO, it should be UN humanitarian aid. Why is UN not doing anything, I am not sure.

Edit: we all just need to squat and talk it over like real Slavs.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

And our Generals knew the score. The US and UK had plans on the books to bomb the shit out of Russia after the war.

Plans that went absolutely nowhere because the civilian leadership was spit-shinibg Stalin's asshole and a whole bunch of people who were public about what assholes the Soviets were got sidelined or died under sketchy circumstances. Churchill may have realized that he'd made a deal with the devil in planning Unthinkable, but he was so far past having any say in the matter it wasn't even funny.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Nigga I've been looking into Russian equipment looooong before this war. Russian equipment has been dogshit since at least the 70's, if it ever was any good. And as I pointed in many pages back, their back line stuff is not as good as anyone ever thought. Sorry you believe any anti-Russian beliefs come straight from the MSM, but there are people that actually research this stuff and have researched it for a long time. We will see what happens to Ukraine, but your over eagerness to claim that Russia is going to win while also believing that Russia has good equipment (and a lot of it) is downright laugh inducing.

Look out, we got a real Russian Military Expert here! He's going to BTFO everyone here, like he did to me, lmao

Protip: Other countries don't have FIOA and even the DoD hasn't a firm grasp on what Russia has. In other words, you don't know shit.

 

[Vince McMahon]

I suppose East Slavic speakers who follow Orthodoxy with a near homogenous culture with other East Slavic speakers who also follow Orthodoxy is kind of vague.

Language affiliation is what led Russia to initiate this decade long situation in the first place. Cultural affiliation is all well and good but we've passed the point of diversion in cultures in what, 13th century or something?

So yeah, this is a vague characterization.

 

[biozeminadae1]

@Kenya Jones

I never understood this shit, the logic behind it is so flawed and retarded it doesn't even make sense why anyone would make this argument in the first place. Like how am I supposed to respond to a comment this dumb?

What's the problem? Also, I can't quote you properly.

 

[H. Bergeron]

How is that functionally different from the U.S. putting sanctions and embargoes on countries it wants to be dependent on them? It's a big geopolitical game and it makes perfect sense for the ruskies to want to keep a buffer state within their influence and control. Kissinger may be a piece of shit but he's right about realpolitik.

Ah, but the US does it... or did it... the fun and useless argument. Been a whole minutes since it was used last. And hey, could be wrong don't recall us sanctioning a country because they want a trade deal. You got an example?

The discussion was on Ukraine being a shithole economically though, so really neither here nor there.,

 

[LurkTrawl]

True, but I don't like poking the bear (or in this case, the slobberdog) if I don't have to. Tiny spats, like the Israeli/Gaza flare-up last year, were enough to make Null post that he was "ashamed" of the site and wanted to delete everything political-ish. I don't want to tempt our main banana pepper doggo tbh.

I don't think he will, for various reasons. You could ask him yourself if you were so inclined but I somehow doubt the man will nuke this section of the site because newcomers to it are put off by the vitriol and heated discussions.

After all it's what's made this part of the site unique. Kind of like how BP doesn't allow simps/thirst or how WW has managed to exist for as long as it has... to say nothing of the crazy gay-ops that take place in the IF and Ethan Ralph sections of the forum.

Again, I want real info, maybe videos that aren't propaganda so blurry it would make a 2005 cell phone video blush, and the war to end so we know what is actually going on in "Fiddler on the Roof" land...

I do too, but what makes this section of the site interesting for me is the unloading folks do to flesh out their sides of their views. I unironically like when HHH comes in with a take (but not when he's summoned by retards) because he goes so hard in the paint on his beliefs. You really don't get that kind of shit anywhere else and it's fantastic.

God damn it, I thought I told you tards to stop flinging shit like gorillas!

Gorillas don't fling shit, and most great apes don't either. Our closest cousins are ironically shit at throwing, including feces.

Look out, we got a real Russian Military Expert here! He's going to BTFO everyone here, like he did to me, lmao

Protip: Other countries don't have FIOA and even the DoD hasn't a firm grasp on what Russia has. In other words, you don't know shit.

To be fair and to actually contribute to the milspec discussion regarding the war, what bugs me is the idea that all of their equipment is somehow so covered in dust that it doesn't matter anymore. To a country like Ukraine I can't think that they have even one experienced airman capable of piloting advanced aircraft. Sending a group a shitload of materiel that they're not even capable of using seems like a bad idea to me, and while russians haven't exactly been more involved than the U.S. I can't imagine there's a lot of actual combat experience from armed forces members of the nation of Ukraine. Especially not with the equipment they're allegedly being sent, even if it is old-ass MIGs.

Ah, but the US does it... or did it... the fun and useless argument. Been a whole minutes since it was used last. And hey, could be wrong don't recall us sanctioning a country because they want a trade deal. You got an example?

The discussion was on Ukraine being a shithole economically though, so really neither here nor there.,

Describe in detail how it's a useless argument before hand-waving it.

 

[Sammich]

@Vince McMahon is fat and I would not have sex with him.

I'm pretty sure russia is having sex with the people he cowardly left behind when he fled like a fuckign coward. well, what's left of them.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

From what I see, Ukraine isn't getting its "shit pushed in" but it is also not winning, and there is no cavalry riding in to the rescue. NATO isn't coming. The EU isn't coming. A few stupid Redditors are coming and that's just terrible for everyone involved.

It's all tragic and fuck Russia for doing this but it's 4th quarter and I don't see how Ukraine can win it.

It's just a question of how much blood is acceptable to both parties.

Honestly, I think that's Ukraine's goal, I said that near the beginning of this whole thing. Ukraine knows it can't win a drawn out conflict, but it's military is thinking "If we spill enough Russian blood and keep pushing their time table further back, we'll get concessions.", and for what it's worth I think it might be successful. No matter which way you look at it Russia has found itself staring into a meat grinder, you know that the military has their eyes set of Mariupol, looking at the urban combat going on there. A Major General was killed there, and at least a thousand Russians killed or maimed for life there.

Ukraine isn't going to win, but it's either going to get concessions at the negotiating table to keep its government intact or cause potentially tens of thousands of widows and grieving mothers in Russia.