Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Meat Target]

Agreed. I'm trying to process the scope here.

All this sounds well and good but then you run into:
1) Who's going to fucking fly this in? The US? A third party?
2) Who on the Ukie's side is going to receive this? They still hold Lwow/Lviv, so they do have safe airfields to receive the supplies but then what? How is it going to reach the frontline troops? Are they using it to arm their new conscripts instead?
3) Where are all these coming from anyway? Is the US emptying their own armouries?

I'm guessing they'll send it by ground from US/NATO bases and armories in Poland.

 

[Dave_Ph]

And Mac and Cheese.

Bring your own sippy cups

 

[Dave_Ph]

Well, I don't know, it reads like a "put your money where your mouth is" moment for Western democracies and the US. You were all buddy-buddy with Vlad whereas Eastern Europe has been shouting in your ear for 30 years that Russia cannot be reasoned with and now, faced with Vlad actually following through with his word, wouldn't you want to do something about it?

Or rather, your government. You elected those governments, did you not?


Imagine being so terminally online that any frank conversation on emotions and their manifestation is dismissed as "reddit talk"...in a very angry fashion.

Jebus. How did I forget to block you

 

[DumbDude42]

What annoys me most about the blatantly-faked parts of Ukrainian propaganda - both fake stories like all the made-up martyr-heroes and the supposed nuclear power plant fire, as well as the alleged attempts to generate atrocity porn by blocking civvies from escaping and possibly staging false-flag attacks against their own people - is how unnecessary it all is.

Most people are inclined by default to side against the aggressor in a war, and Russia already isn't exactly liked in the West. If the goal was just to get volunteers, supplies, and humanitarian aid, literally all they would have to do is just... tell the truth. But Zelensky seems to think that if he just convinces the world that Putin is actually turboHitler instead of just a wannabe tsar, NATO will bail his arse out by nuking Russia.

from a detached and rational outsiders perspective it's very easy to say "lol dont be so hysterical and over the top with your propaganda"
but for the people who make the propaganda, it's a completely different situation. it's their own country being torn to pieces around them, their friends and families being driven from their homes or outright killed, their future as a nation itself threatened by a ruthless foreign enemy - the same enemy that has chained and subjugated them for hundreds of years in the past, the same enemy that genocided millions of them in the 1930s, they barely had 30 years of independence and already that same ancient foe is coming back to enslave and massacre them once again.

so of course now every ukrainian in the cuntry is in a constant state of extreme panic and existential terror, and that reflects on the propaganda they put out as well. this is also how you end up with stuff like this TV talking head pulling out the eichmann quotes and calling for annihilation of russia - his family, friends, people are being killed by russians on a daily basis, russian forces are closing in all around him, of course he's gonna go into full total war mode now.

 

[Oxous]

All this sounds well and good but then you run into:
1) Who's going to fucking fly this in? The US? A third party?
2) Who on the Ukie's side is going to receive this? They still hold Lwow/Lviv, so they do have safe airfields to receive the supplies but then what? How is it going to reach the frontline troops? Are they using it to arm their new conscripts instead?

US, Canadians, basically any NATO member which donates equipment is just transporting it on their own military cargo planes. They're all flying their equipment to Rzeszów–Jasionka Airport in southeastern Poland and unloading it there. Then they drive the equipment to the Ukrainian border and the Ukrainians pick it up.

Judging from a video I saw of some NLAWs being distributed, they're driving it to the front lines at least partially in civilian vehicles. Probably why Russia hasn't made a significant effort at trying to stop NATO weapons from entering Ukraine. Its most likely conscripts and regular soldiers alike receiving them.

3) Where are all these coming from anyway? Is the US emptying their own armouries?

Alot of the Soviet-type equipment is coming from countries like Poland, Slovakia and Bulgaria which were already planning to decommission/destroy them. They're already phasing the weapons out so there's no harm in sending them to Ukraine instead. U.S. probably has plenty enough in terms of ammos, rifles, etc. to keep themselves well stockpiled. Not sure about things like Javelins but the military-industrial complex can take care of that.

 

[Trust Me I Know]

All the new shit Ukraine will get from the child sniffer :

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There's also reports that they want to send S-300 systems too.

Glad my tax money is going to a soon to be dead and gay country.

 

[Wuornos]

Seems like you’ve perfectly adopted the east European attitude of getting on your knees and begging someone else to fight for you.

At the end of the day, America could guarantee Ukraine’s victory in this war single-handedly, but it won’t because it simply isn’t worth it. Ukraine acted as if it was a core American security interest and could shit on Russia with impunity, it’s not America’s responsibility to bail Ukraine out.

America has never won a war without help from allied countries. Not one. Though your arrogant grandstanding is amusing, you guys could not defeat Russia especially if China joined forces with them.

Your rainbow trans army is not nearly as shit hot as you guys make it out to be.

 

[DumbDude42]

America has never won a war without help from allied countries. Not one. Though your arrogant grandstanding is amusing, you guys could not defeat Russia.

this would have been true in the ww2 and cold war days but not today. the american military in current year has such an enormous lead in equipment, technology, funding and logistics, no force on the planet can really challenge it in a conventional war.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I just got reminded of this while looking into Odessa, I found this kino painting about Odessa.

The Harbor at Odessa on the Black Sea By Ivan Aivazovsky

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Naval themed stuff is kind of Aivazovsky's thing. My favorite is Battle of Navarino.


For more Russian painter kino, look up Vasili Vereschagin.
The Apotheosis of War


His depictions of the Siege of Samarkand:
(left to right) After Failure (1868 ), After Good Luck (1868 ), and At The Fortress Walls Let Them Enter (1871)

 

[Vince McMahon]

Jebus. How did I forget to block you

Please, don't forget to block me and post a screenshot of that. I consider that a personal mark of honour, whenever antiglobohomo screechers show just HOW MUCH UNASSBLASTED THEY ARE.

 

[Meat Target]

this would have been true in the ww2 and cold war days but not today. the american military in current year has such an enormous lead in equipment, technology, funding and logistics, no force on the planet can really challenge it in a conventional war.

The only reason European countries can afford all the Free Shit they brag about is because Uncle Sam is pulling security for them.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

America was also instrumental in supplying Great Britain as Germany attempted to cut it off with submarines.

The main reason for Germany declaring war on the US after pearl harbor was that they were inching towards war anyway due to incidents between German subs and american vessels. Might as well switch over to unrestricted sub warfare sooner rather than later and hope to knock out USSR before a front could be opened in the west.

Much like Putin nowadays though, that decision is generally dismissed as Hitler being crazy. The thought of anyone having differing interests or reasoning than whatever the current western media zeitgeist is for the moment is so unthinkable that this individual must be somehow mentally unstable.

It was still a retarded move on his part, different world view aside. He got no guarantees of Japanese assistance against the soviets, and now instead of just having America send equipment, he had to deal with them sending even more fucking equipment, as well as soldiers to go with it.

 

[whothefuck]

The only reason European countries can afford all the Free Shit they brag about is because Uncle Sam is pulling security for them.

that might change now- with germany wanting to be constitutionally bound to achieve nato mandated military spending, we could see the welfare states the euros love be cut back

 

[bread n circuses]

America has never won a war without help from allied countries. Not one. Though your arrogant grandstanding is amusing, you guys could not defeat Russia.

I’m not an American, I don’t like America, and I don’t think America could win a direct war against Russia. Which is why I never said anything to that effect. I said America could guarantee that Ukraine won its war against Russia, which is not a full Russian military commitment but which is fast becoming a total war for Ukraine. Russia most likely isn’t going to go into total war mode and mass mobilize the country for this war, a Ukrainian victory would merely involve a stalemate in which Russian forces felt like they couldn’t make significant advances anymore and which was too costly for Russia to maintain long term.

America has a lot of high end military equipment, it could arm and train Ukrainian forces sufficiently to achieve a stalemate if it was willing to absorb the massive cost. “Guarantee” is hyperbole, but it would definitely make Ukraine’s chances a lot better than the current 0%.

I could be wrong, and Russia could be willing to commit to national war mobilization in which case nothing can save Ukraine.

 

[White_N]

no
afghanistan was a dirt poor shithole before the soviets came, and not much changed about that under soviet occupation, it then remained a dirt poor shithole during the post soviet times of civil war, and also throughout the talibans first (short) reign.
20 years of living on american gibs gave people a wrong impression about the countrys real situation. current year afghanistan under renewed taliban rule is simply returning to the status quo ante, which is "dirt poor shithole" as it always has been.

Well, right now, the only water and electricity towelheads get are from Soviet infrastructure, so at least they got that. But with Amerimutts not able to stop being Jews and stealing money from literal goat herders, the situation right now is very grim, with child sales and a lack of food and medicine.

 

[Vince McMahon]

that might change now- with germany wanting to be constitutionally bound to achieve nato mandated military spending, we could see the welfare states the euros love be cut back

European states have reasonable welfare nets, it's not a land of free gibs. You're actually encouraged to actively contribute to society and whenever you're on gibs, your expenditures are tightly monitored and controlled by the state.

Not sure about the UK though.

 

[MrJokerRager]

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Kek.

The International Court of Justice should be rename to the Third World Shithole Court of Justice.

Only time that I have seen people dragged there were like African genocidal maniacs or Balkan genocidal maniacs.

The Hague has less enforcement power than the President of Afghanistan during the time America was running that sandpit.

 

[whothefuck]

European states have reasonable welfare nets, it's not a land of free gibs. You're actually encouraged to actively contribute to society and whenever you're on gibs, your expenditures are tightly monitored and controlled by the state.

i know that germany has a "welfare office" where they get on your ass if youre not working, but places like norway for instance might find themselves needing to make cuts. as for the uk, it depends. your average east london brudda might be sitting pretty but local councils generally want to cut you off at any opportunity

 

[H. Bergeron]

nigger there was leaked phone calls from victoria nuland (then working for the US state department as part of the obama administration) where she talks about yanukovich's overthrow weeks before it actually happened, and expresses how she wants yatsenyuk to take his place (yatsenyuk indeed became prime minister shortly after yanukovich was ousted)

back then the msm tried to memory hole it by completely ignoring everything that was said and the implications, except for a single line where she says something like "or without the EU, fuck the EU" which they made into a big retard story about "wah wah the mean americans are disrespectful to precious european allies "

the 2014 regime change in ukraine was one of the most obvious and well documented glowie coups in recent history

Read the transcripts. Christ. At no point are they even talking about the ouster of Yanukovich? They are discussing who would be a good front man for EuroMaidan, as at this point it was pretty clear that they would be having a rather major role going forward. She is obviously trying to broker a deal. It wasn't some spy-op either, she flew there damn near each week, and met with Yanukovich several times. And I know this might be a shock, but that is what diplomats do.

Did the US support EuroMaidan? No shit. So did most of Europe. They didn't cause it, at best they took advantage of it. But that is never the accusation. Do you honestly think Russia wasn't talking with its ambassadors about what it wanted to see happen? What is actually discussed in the call is surprisingly little. And then taking that surprisingly little and expanding it based on implications. From an out-of-context Russian leak of a phone conversation we get "The CIA planned and executed the overthrow of a legally elected President of Ukraine."

And then you know, it wasn't a coup, but that doesn't matter. Yanukovich ran like a pussy and even his own party voted to oust the mother fucker more or less unanimously.

As for Yats... wow... shocker... the head of the opposition party under Yanukovich became the PM after the former president fled in disgrace and the bulk of those remaining in his party got fucked because by the time of the next election, huge swathes of Eastern Ukraine were now at war with the rest of the country, and Crimea was now Putin's new vacation home. Yep... totally needed the USA to make that impossible event happen.

 

[DumbDude42]

The only reason European countries can afford all the Free Shit they brag about is because Uncle Sam is pulling security for them.

this is overstated. upping military spending to nato treaty levels would not significantly impact their budget. the real reason euro countries can afford all that "free" shit is because the tax burden they impose on their working population is gigantic compared to american levels of taxation.

like, back in the day a popular talking point was "if breaking bad was set in europe then walter would have had free health care and wouldn't have to cook meth to pay medical bills"
which is true, but at the same time, if walter was in europe, then his lifestyle (which involved owning a house, feeding a stay at home wife, a crippled son and an infant daughter, all from a high school teachers salary) would not have been possible in the first place, his family would be stuck in a shitty small apartment instead and be considerably poorer all around. that's the part proponents of "free" social services don't talk about.