Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Rezza]

i heard that there's an ongoing exodus of middle and upper class russians happening over the last few weeks, apparently a lot of russians are extremely pessimistic about the future, and some fear that putin might close the borders or make emigration illegal at some point in the near future, so they are trying to get out ASAP

In his latest speech, there's a huge indication he might target his allies he deemed to be working against him, a la Robespierre, with particular emphasis on the Oligarchs and rich elites

 

[Borscht]

i heard that there's an ongoing exodus of middle and upper class russians happening over the last few weeks, apparently a lot of russians are extremely pessimistic about the future, and some fear that putin might close the borders or make emigration illegal at some point in the near future, so they are trying to get out ASAP

About a third of my colleagues fled to Georgia, Germany and Turkey in the very first few days of the war. Several more are preparing to.

 

[No. 7 cat]

It's Lwów, good sir. Poland shall reclaim rightful clay.

The winged Hussars will ride again, their wings given bounce by estates as far as the eye can see and further.

In his latest speech, there's a huge indication he might target his allies he deemed to be working against him, a la Robespierre, with particular emphasis on the Oligarchs and rich elites

Some of Putin's words suggest a particular ire towards the more semi detached of them using RU as a gas station and a laundry for ill gotten gains, while an influencer mistress of one of them throws shade from the safety of the south of France. Not unreasonable. Yet Robespierre made too many insecure and making very rich men insecure seems an uncertain course.

 

[DumbDude42]

It's Lwów, good sir. Poland shall reclaim rightful clay.

It's Lemberg, good sir. Austria-Hungary shall reclaim rightful clay.

 

[Coccxys]

In his latest speech, there's a huge indication he might target his allies he deemed to be working against him, a la Robespierre, with particular emphasis on the Oligarchs and rich elites

Time for some republican marriages in the Volga.

 

[Dave_Ph]

In a military conflict we'd either kick their asses or everyone gets nuked. The issue is that Russia isn't exactly incompetent in the espionage and sabotage game and could hurt us in plenty of other ways such as economically or by sparking internal civil conflict or funding a terror attack or some shit.

I'm surprised every morning I wake up to utilities and the interwebs intact

 

[Gay_nig_from_outer_space]

In his latest speech, there's a huge indication he might target his allies he deemed to be working against him, a la Robespierre, with particular emphasis on the Oligarchs and rich elites

b-but Putler is an Oligarch puppet! That would go against the narrative!

 

[EyeGuy]

It's the Jewish holiday of Purim where we party and dress up to celebrate the avoidance of a genocide in ancient Persia. The celebration has nothing to do with Ukraine.

It's a Purim joke. Ponovezh is known for flying the Israeli flag on Independence Day despite being a Chareidi institution. I've been seeing blue and yellow all over my city as well. They've also been selling Ukraine-themed costumes:

 

[Dave_Ph]

Any 'muricans shaking around their "massive military that would beat anyone easily" cocks can be sent into instant cope and seeth with the name LtGen Paul Van Riper.

Yeeted the navy using ww2 tactics so sucessfully that the admiralty cried "not fair" and restarted the whole thing except changed the rules on the fly so Riper's side lost.

A totally useless exercise that taught them nothing and served only to be used as "current doctrine good" in reports.

The Amerian military could roll over anyone if they stopped the hearts and minds and avoiding collateral damage bullshit.
The point of war is death and collateral damage.
I miss the fire bombing of Dresden approach.
That Ukie newscaster was right. You cant let the children live or they'll grow up as skilled hardened fighters.

We killed half your family but this chocolate bar and pamphlet on transgender rights is FREEDOM. Love us.

 

[Octavia]

Long time friend shared Zleneskyy’s recent speech and called him a hero, I said he’s an actor/corrupt politician who cares he should just end the war already. I’ve rarely seen them so apoplectic. The queerest thing is that this particular person wasn’t all-in on the covid or vaccine narrative but now is all-in on the Russia-Ukraine narrative vis-à-vis our need for national unity against the Russian existential threat.

Depending on how old they are, it could either be nostalgia from the Cold War or just buying into the propaganda, but that's just my take. It's the same here, it's wild how people get genuinely so angry about Russia.

 

[UVB-76]

Any 'muricans shaking around their "massive military that would beat anyone easily" cocks can be sent into instant cope and seeth with the name LtGen Paul Van Riper.

Yeeted the navy using ww2 tactics so sucessfully that the admiralty cried "not fair" and restarted the whole thing except changed the rules on the fly so Riper's side lost.

Van Riper was an absolute sperg who decided to play a very expensive game of laser tag by exploiting the simulation's intricacies, wasting everyone's time.
- When he called for his communications to be done by motorcycle messengers, the system wasn't set up to simulate hand-delivered communications so he essentially had lightspeed motorcycle messengers
- He had fuckhuge anti-ship missiles (P-15 Termit equivalents, if I recall) mounted on the raggedy fleet of small PT boats. They'd sink trying to carry the missiles, let alone trying to fire them.
- When the simulation started, the Red ships were teleported into fighting range while the Blue ships had their defenses turned off because they were trying to have this exercise between civilian shipping lanes and they didn't want the radars to be locking on civilian ships and aircraft nearby.
- Van Riper also knew there would be an air assault because it was scripted into the wargame, and he knew where the location would be because it would be the only place where the military could conduct this deployment, so he threw a tantrum demanding a chemical weapons strike on that position even though the Red general should not use the metagame to have information he wouldn't have in real life.
Obviously the entire point of the exercise was lost when Riper decided to be exceptional, so the simulation was reset and the Red force told to stick to the script. This isn't "no fair", it's "stop being retarded and act normal".
Framing it as a way to win a wargame doesn't even make sense, because typically Western forces set up their wargames to lose so that there can be "lessons learned" papers written about it and to demand more money. There's no prestige to be gained in winning war games unless you're a general in a dictatorship.

 

[Rezza]

So how many of the dead Russian generals died from Ukrops, and how many are being purged due to corruption? 12 is a HELL of a loss for any military, if that number is right.

So far there are only four dead Generals on the Russian side. And unless Putin wants to go full Stalin, it doesn't make any sense to purge any Generals when they're on the frontline

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Isn't Turkey denying access to the Dardanelles for Russian military ships under the Montreux convention?
I also don't see why the Russians even bother with amphibous landings. Odessa's port is uselss to the Ukrainins since the Russians have the command of the Black Sea.

Could just be a normal movement of warships.

 

[Rezza]

Van Riper was an absolute sperg who decided to play a very expensive game of laser tag by exploiting the simulation's intricacies, wasting everyone's time.
- When he called for his communications to be done by motorcycle messengers, the system wasn't set up to simulate hand-delivered communications so he essentially had lightspeed motorcycle messengers
- He had fuckhuge anti-ship missiles (P-15 Termit equivalents, if I recall) mounted on the raggedy fleet of small PT boats. They'd sink trying to carry the missiles, let alone trying to fire them.
- When the simulation started, the Red ships were teleported into fighting range while the Blue ships had their defenses turned off because they were trying to have this exercise between civilian shipping lanes and they didn't want the radars to be locking on civilian ships and aircraft nearby.
- Van Riper also knew there would be an air assault because it was scripted into the wargame, and he knew where the location would be because it would be the only place where the military could conduct this deployment, so he threw a tantrum demanding a chemical weapons strike on that position even though the Red general should not use the metagame to have information he wouldn't have in real life.
Obviously the entire point of the exercise was lost when Riper decided to be exceptional, so the simulation was reset and the Red force told to stick to the script. This isn't "no fair", it's "stop being retarded and act normal".
Framing it as a way to win a wargame doesn't even make sense, because typically Western forces set up their wargames to lose so that there can be "lessons learned" papers written about it and to demand more money. There's no prestige to be gained in winning war games unless you're a general in a dictatorship.

Damn, sounds like a real exceptional guy...

 

[Sho'nuff]

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Happy St Patrick's day, warring slavs. Hopefully the power of mutual alcoholism can mend the rift between them someday.

As a half Scottish mutt, I've noticed there are 2 types of Scottish people, the generally white 100% Scot or maybe half a local country such as Dutch in my case, or you have the half Scot half Sentinel Islander people... seriously Scottish people are probably the most willing to fuck anyone, probably willing to fuck on the sole requirement that the other person either understands or doesn't understand and doesn't care our God awful accents.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

It has just been reported an American journalist from the NYT was killed in Irpin. (city still under Ukrainian control).

Spoiler: NSFW

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I know we all hate journos but at least the ones in Ukraine actually do ground work and risk their lives, rather than hide in their pod and recycle tweets to news.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Van Riper was an absolute sperg who decided to play a very expensive game of laser tag by exploiting the simulation's intricacies, wasting everyone's time.
- When he called for his communications to be done by motorcycle messengers, the system wasn't set up to simulate hand-delivered communications so he essentially had lightspeed motorcycle messengers
- He had fuckhuge anti-ship missiles (P-15 Termit equivalents, if I recall) mounted on the raggedy fleet of small PT boats. They'd sink trying to carry the missiles, let alone trying to fire them.
- When the simulation started, the Red ships were teleported into fighting range while the Blue ships had their defenses turned off because they were trying to have this exercise between civilian shipping lanes and they didn't want the radars to be locking on civilian ships and aircraft nearby.
- Van Riper also knew there would be an air assault because it was scripted into the wargame, and he knew where the location would be because it would be the only place where the military could conduct this deployment, so he threw a tantrum demanding a chemical weapons strike on that position even though the Red general should not use the metagame to have information he wouldn't have in real life.
Obviously the entire point of the exercise was lost when Riper decided to be exceptional, so the simulation was reset and the Red force told to stick to the script. This isn't "no fair", it's "stop being retarded and act normal".
Framing it as a way to win a wargame doesn't even make sense, because typically Western forces set up their wargames to lose so that there can be "lessons learned" papers written about it and to demand more money. There's no prestige to be gained in winning war games unless you're a general in a dictatorship.

But Malcolm gladwell made him seem plucky and intelligent vs the inert military command so he has to be right. Tbf they really should have programmed in hand delivered messengers.

 

[just a banana]

Here's a guy claiming that the Kiev meeting was faked. His article is based on information from "sources" and he uses lots of capitals. https://archive.ph/P1I4K

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

Van Riper was an absolute sperg who decided to play a very expensive game of laser tag by exploiting the simulation's intricacies, waisting everyone's time.
- When he called for his communications to be done by motorcycle messengers, the system wasn't set up to simulate hand-delivered communications so he essentially had lightspeed motorcycle messengers
- He had fuckhuge anti-ship missiles (P-15 Termit equivalents, if I recall) mounted on the raggedy fleet of small PT boats. They'd sink trying to carry the missiles, let alone trying to fire them.
- When the simulation started, the Red ships were teleported into fighting range while the Blue ships had their defenses turned off because they were trying to have this exercise between civilian shipping lanes and they didn't want the radars to be locking on civilian ships and aircraft nearby.
- Van Riper also knew there would be an air assault because it was scripted into the wargame, and he knew where the location would be because it would be the only place where the military could conduct this deployment, so he threw a tantrum demanding a chemical weapons strike on that position even though the Red general should not use the metagame to have information he wouldn't have in real life.
Obviously the entire point of the exercise was lost when Riper decided to be exceptional, so the simulation was reset and the Red force told to stick to the script. This isn't "no fair", it's "stop being retarded and act normal".
Framing it as a way to win a wargame doesn't even make sense, because typically Western forces set up their wargames to lose so that there can be "lessons learned" papers written about it and to demand more money. There's no prestige to be gained in winning war games unless you're a general in a dictatorship.

Any kind of wargame needs to have people asking what the rules are. It's similar to hearing about "X percent of people believe this based on polling" and not assuming it's chickenshit because the questions were probably loaded. Like when Romanian MiG-21 pilots were able to kill USAF F-16s in the early 2010s because the MiGs had been updated with helmet tracking- but they didn't emphasize that the combat started within visual range. The F-16s used had yet to be updated with JHMCS and were not equipped with AIM-9xs, so the MiGs had a chance. In a real engagement, the MiG-21s would've been blown out of the sky by AIM-120s. But the papers were like "OMG 60 YEAR OLD MIG-21 BEATS LATEST F-16 MODEL!"

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Hey I'm back. This thread still mostly pro-Putin? Whatever I don't care. I just hope you stop using the weird Russian and Chinese maps to get a sense of what is going on. The war is a slog and will not be over any time soon. Attrition warfare. Just bleeding each other until one side gives up or goes home. Sad.

Here's some stuff I found since I've been away an easy to understand tank recognition guide. It's a good way to verify for yourself who got merked in photos.
I'm sure it has been posted but the big crowdsourced abacus of equipment losses.
The OOB of the Russian Army prior to the war.
A handy video to tell where the vehicles involved came from, their army group basically, if you breezed through above.

Anyways, the redditors and pogues never made it anywhere. The boogs, trannies, and other dipshits got turned away. They are taking competent combat veterans only for the legions. Videos and twitter/reddit posts are either bullshit or sour grapes. The foreign legions are just outside Kyiv training, equipping, and organizing. The guys who got missilated were Ukie reservists being trained up by NATO people and the rear detachment of the 24th Mechanized Brigade. They were to be replacements for casualties in the field. It was their base that was hit.

Another neato thing I found is that the Ruskies invaded with a shitload of old gear. A lot. A lot a lot. T-72As and pre-89 T-72Bs and shit. These seem to be the gear mostly in units like the 90th Guards Tank Division that they stood up fairly recently (2016) and the militia goobers in the DNR/LPR. This makes me think that all the modern-ish shit already got doled out and they have a guy with a can of ether and a bank of deep cycles playing "will it start" with old unmodernized shit in storage and whatever fires gets doled out because fuckit it's their division's problem to keep these museum pieces running and able to do war stuff. Just a guess.

I will now leave you with my favorite meme because I haven't seen it posted.