US U.S. Will Fold Like USSR, State Lawmaker Says While Arguing for Secession

U.S. Will Fold Like USSR, State Lawmaker Says While Arguing for Secession​


During a debate over an overwhelmingly rejected amendment to the state constitution that would have led to New Hampshire seceding from the Union, state lawmaker Matthew Santonastaso said that the United States will collapse like the former Soviet Union did in 1991.

The amendment failed following a 323-13 House vote Thursday, with the 13 in favor of seceding from the U.S. being all Republican. Many of the lawmakers, who opposed the amendment, said it was shameful that the state was considering such an amendment, according to InDepthNH, a nonprofit New Hampshire news outlet.

Several lawmakers also said that the amendment, filed by libertarian Republicans in the state House, was the first such amendment to actually be heard by a state legislative body since the Civil War.


Santonastaso, one of the Republicans who supported the measure, said that "national divorce" is coming sooner or later, and this amendment would give New Hampshire the chance to "get out ahead of it," InDepthNH reported.

The representative also said the federal government can no longer bribe the states, claiming that no citizen in New Hampshire today has "consented" to be governed by the federal government that exists today.

"I hope that we don't have to be answering that question on the House floor in the future," said state Republican Representative Brodie Deshaies, according to WMUR-TV. "I hope that everyone says 'no' to this constitutional amendment because I would prefer not to see the partisan politics of trying to remove members of this House for arguably violating their constitutional oath."


Deshaies and others said that voting in favor of the amendment could be seen by some as an act of "rebellion" against the federal government, and referred to a section of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution which states no one should be allowed to hold an elected office after committing an act of "insurrection or rebellion" while in office.

If it had been approved, the amendment would have been added to the ballot of a future election for voters to determine whether New Hampshire "peaceably declares independence from the United States and immediately proceeds as a sovereign nation. All other references to the United States in this constitution, state statutes and regulations are nullified," according to the Associated Press.

Other lawmakers compared the amendment to committing treason against the U.S., with one referring to portraits of important figures in American history that were on the walls of the chamber.

"We stand in the shadow, literally, of Abraham Lincoln and George Washington, and we are considering legislation to take a star off of that flag," Democratic Representative Timothy Smith said, according to the AP. "We have legislation now seeking to destroy the constitution of the United States. That is beyond shameful. It is beyond disgraceful and it is a stain on the proud history of this state that we even have to entertain this."

Update 3/11/22, 1:12 p.m. ET: This story has been updated with additional information and context.
 
If the national divorce happened (ha!) the Deep State would lose a good chunk of the Globohomo Army as the southeastern and western states compromise a majority of enlistees.
They're already losing that chunk at increasing rates. Twenty years of pointless war and shitty support for veterans will do that. Did you think the military was wokefying its recruiting rhetoric just because? They're trying to get more coastal kids to enlist.
 
The US is in deep shit but it won't break apart like the USSR because it's still ultimately structured as one nation with the cultural identification of "American".

The Soviet Union was more or less a loose confederacy of disparate countries, 90% of which didn't even fucking want to be there to begin with.

The last time the US had a genuine chance of balkanizing was during the Civil War when it was only around 70-80 years into its existence as an independent nation and around 30 years as the entity that we all know it as today but that opportunity is gone today.
 
The US is in deep shit but it won't break apart like the USSR because it's still ultimately structured as one nation with the cultural identification of "American".

The Soviet Union was more or less a loose confederacy of disparate countries, 90% of which didn't even fucking want to be there to begin with.

The last time the US had a genuine chance of balkanizing was during the Civil War when it was only around 70-80 years into its existence as an independent nation and around 30 years as the entity that we all know it as today but that opportunity is gone today.
Not to mention most balkanization happens along sociocultural lines, when the biggest divider in current politics isn't North-South, East-West, even Coasts-Heartland, it's Urban-Rural, with Suburbs as a mix of both.
Find a way to create borders to address that!
 
Not to mention most balkanization happens along sociocultural lines, when the biggest divider in current politics isn't North-South, East-West, even Coasts-Heartland, it's Urban-Rural, with Suburbs as a mix of both.
Find a way to create borders to address that!
lol, the borders won't be drawn around the population.

It's the population that will be forced to conform to artificial borders, as the end of World War 2 saw, with East Prussia being entirely Russofied and Polonised.
 
They're already losing that chunk at increasing rates. Twenty years of pointless war and shitty support for veterans will do that. Did you think the military was wokefying its recruiting rhetoric just because? They're trying to get more coastal kids to enlist.
It has less to do with enlisting coastal (a lot of non-pozzed Californians already enlist) than the spectre of Rudi Deustchke (a long march through institutions) finally casting its shadow over the DoD.

The Cult of Wokeness will gladly sacrifice military effectiveness in the name of ideological purity.
 
Even if the USA did collapse into a bloody mess the largest most powerful regions would eventually one way or another bully and take over the weaker and smaller states. NH would not survive that scenario. The reason Russia didn't just do that once the USSR collapsed is either because the nations that popped out wouldn't really be worth it (Kazakhstan) or they quickly formed ties with NATO, and had a somewhat decent military that Russia couldn't fight while dealing with problems at home.

How would the US even "balkanize" anyway? State lines? Ethnic groups? Regions like New England and the Deep South forming separate nations? The last one is more likely and the most stable, since dividing the US along ethnic lines would result in the worst border gore you will ever see in your life when it comes to the coastal and Southern areas. I don't know why people think that would even happen, since that is pretty impossible without killing/displacing a shit ton of people. Good luck!

The geopolitical situation would be a fucking nightmare since China would immediately start landgrabbing, South Korea and Japan would start crying (Imperial Japan 2? Based?), and Europe would be utterly economically fucked since they would either have to kneel to China or Russia while having to max out defense budgets since Russia is kicking shit up. China would feel a lot of pain too since they just lost one of their biggest sources of revenue, What the fuck happens to the nuclear stockpile in such a scenario? The economics alone around the world would fucking suck since the US exports so much shit, and economical instability leads to "interesting" times.

Also it wouldn't be peaceful at all. The feds aren't just going to disappear. They would have entire states still under their control and Civil War 2 would immediately kick off. Hell I could even see other nations with boots on the ground here if the feds beg hard enough.

We could go on about this forever and it's a fascinating scenario, but it's honestly very unrealistic in a modern lens.
 
New Hampshire would be fucked since the sane part of New England consists of them, maybe like a couple bordering towns in Massachusetts and Vermont, and half of Maine. All they will be is a good distraction so the degenerate East Coast elite can't crush the free people of the South and Midwest, but hopefully if the coastal elite are crushed than New Hampshire can be an independent allied state.
 
I've never understood the naivety of people who think that they can just vote to secede from an established nation. Not without an army to back it up.
 
Where in the U.S. constitution does it say states aren’t allowed to secede?
There is no commentary on secession in the Constitution, any Supreme Court rulings such as Texas v. White are just wholesale fabrication by the Judges because they don't want the exit to exist in the minds of politicians at all. The founders in their personal documents and the Declaration of Independence more or less affirm the right of revolution and independence if the government no longer supports the interest of the people.
 
If the national divorce happened (ha!) the Deep State would lose a good chunk of the Globohomo Army as the southeastern and western states compromise a majority of enlistees.
It would explain why the armed forces are looking to the coasts, given the release of certain... promotional materials.
 
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