US U.S. Will Fold Like USSR, State Lawmaker Says While Arguing for Secession

U.S. Will Fold Like USSR, State Lawmaker Says While Arguing for Secession​

https://www.newsweek.com/state-lawmaker-says-us-will-fold-like-ussr-while-arguing-secession-1687262#:~:text=During%20debate%20over%20an%20overwhelmingly%20rejected%20amendment%20to,like%20the%20former%20Soviet%20Union%20did%20in%201991.

During a debate over an overwhelmingly rejected amendment to the state constitution that would have led to New Hampshire seceding from the Union, state lawmaker Matthew Santonastaso said that the United States will collapse like the former Soviet Union did in 1991.

The amendment failed following a 323-13 House vote Thursday, with the 13 in favor of seceding from the U.S. being all Republican. Many of the lawmakers, who opposed the amendment, said it was shameful that the state was considering such an amendment, according to InDepthNH, a nonprofit New Hampshire news outlet.

Several lawmakers also said that the amendment, filed by libertarian Republicans in the state House, was the first such amendment to actually be heard by a state legislative body since the Civil War.


Santonastaso, one of the Republicans who supported the measure, said that "national divorce" is coming sooner or later, and this amendment would give New Hampshire the chance to "get out ahead of it," InDepthNH reported.

The representative also said the federal government can no longer bribe the states, claiming that no citizen in New Hampshire today has "consented" to be governed by the federal government that exists today.

"I hope that we don't have to be answering that question on the House floor in the future," said state Republican Representative Brodie Deshaies, according to WMUR-TV. "I hope that everyone says 'no' to this constitutional amendment because I would prefer not to see the partisan politics of trying to remove members of this House for arguably violating their constitutional oath."


Deshaies and others said that voting in favor of the amendment could be seen by some as an act of "rebellion" against the federal government, and referred to a section of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution which states no one should be allowed to hold an elected office after committing an act of "insurrection or rebellion" while in office.

If it had been approved, the amendment would have been added to the ballot of a future election for voters to determine whether New Hampshire "peaceably declares independence from the United States and immediately proceeds as a sovereign nation. All other references to the United States in this constitution, state statutes and regulations are nullified," according to the Associated Press.

Other lawmakers compared the amendment to committing treason against the U.S., with one referring to portraits of important figures in American history that were on the walls of the chamber.

"We stand in the shadow, literally, of Abraham Lincoln and George Washington, and we are considering legislation to take a star off of that flag," Democratic Representative Timothy Smith said, according to the AP. "We have legislation now seeking to destroy the constitution of the United States. That is beyond shameful. It is beyond disgraceful and it is a stain on the proud history of this state that we even have to entertain this."

Update 3/11/22, 1:12 p.m. ET: This story has been updated with additional information and context.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Mind you, I'm under no illusion it would work. I just think it'd be a hard sell to get anyone to want to crush a state asking nicely and not, y'know, seizing Federal armories and garrisons, or firing on Federal fortifications...

As long as a foreign power keeps control of those installations; those newly independent counties are still property of said foreign power.

 

[Snekposter]

As long as a foreign power keeps control of those installations; those newly independent counties are still property of said foreign power.

Ultimately, yes, but considering the state of South Carolina had ceded the forts around Charleston, Sumter included, to Uncle Sam on the basis that they didn't want to spend the necessary maintenance money, its a dick move to demand the places back now that the Feds owning them is suddenly inconvenient.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Ultimately, yes, but considering the state of South Carolina had ceded the forts around Charleston, Sumter included, to Uncle Sam on the basis that they didn't want to spend the necessary maintenance money, its a dick move to demand the places back now that the Feds owning them is suddenly inconvenient.

Independence require dick moves and for the western states it going have to be dick move galore as the FED owns most of the real estate.

 

[Account]

Just a reminder that, even though it is one of the smallest states, New Hampshire has by far the largest state legislature in the entire country, being bigger even than the US congress. As such, it ends up having more than a few lunatics every cycle, swings wildly between cycles to the point that state election analysts exclude it from general data pools and is, in all, crazy. Also, this isn't newsworthy and I'm not surprised that it came from a bin-liner like Newsweek.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_House_of_Representatives

The House of Representatives consists of 400 members coming from 204 legislative districts across the state, created from divisions of the state's counties. On average, each legislator represents about 3,300 residents.

Unironically based system, I wish all state legislatures were this big of a shitshow

 

[Ser Prize]

My Texas friend says he sees a lot of Cali plates now. As well as Florida for some reason. I'm seeing them in PA too along with those fucking New Yorkers.

Fucking locusts is what they are. Fly away from the carcass to start eating away at a healthy host with their CA bullshit. RIP Texas and AZ.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

Politicians that talk about secession are the equivalent of teenagers making posts on social media talking about killing themselves.

If they're being loud about it, they don't have the means or the true drive to off themselves, they're just crying for attention to see who will fall for their bullshit.

Yawn. Even if the US did crumble tomorrow, no secession would actually be effective. The staunchly red states are divided by globohomo taking over urban areas and turning them blue so that no state has the ability to uniformly secede or retaliate.

But it's entertaining to think about an actual attempt, because the shit show would be enough to start a mass extinction.

 

[Sailor Kim Jong Moon]

The problem I foresee with the Southern states is the racial make up. Leftists have already turned a considerable amount of people into racialized sleeper cells. Add into the blue voting habits of the average black American … and they’re not going to cede peacefully with the rest of the red Southern states. They’ll either move or start a race war. And of course, the red South doesn’t like welfare all too much either. Enough True and Honest racists and Confederate Part 2 economic advisors pointing out the resource drain, and you’ll have white people just as invested in the bloodshed.

Secession would really suck for the southern states. It’s not even worth it imo

 

[Bum Driller]

It doesn't, but MUH CIVIL WAR supposedly settled the issue. Ignoring, of course, that 1) wars aren't and never have been legal precedent and 2) that there is no remedy that the court can order to force a state to stay in the union against its will, making the entire legal question moot. It's in the same category as trying to sue God; even if the court loses it mind and finds the Almighty liable for something, what court order could they ever hope to enforce against Him? The court can't order the military to wage a war to keep the seceding state in the union. The court can't order Congress to declare war, or order the President to carry one out in his capacity as Commander in Chief. The court certainly can't hope to bully an entire state with the (extremely limited) amount of force directly at its disposal. Secession in some form will happen within the next quarter century. The only interesting questions are 1) whether the red states secede from the blue states, or whether the tide turns to such an extent that the blue states are "forced" to secede from the red states and 2) whether we get regions of states (confederations of counties) seceding from their state (ala the formation of West Virginia).

Umm...no? Show me a precedent of a territory seceding from a larger national body without a civil war. It matters nothing to say that this or that executive or legislative branch wouldn't have authority to send army to suppress secession, because in the event that such a thing would become reality, army certainly would be sent in to stop it. Things like rules and constitutions and such are thrown out of the window at the moment shit gets real, and American States having nominal independence as members of the federal entity has no effect on that.

 

[Ser Prize]

Balkanization is inevitable at this point. Not just in America, but in Canada, too.

Maybe that's just wishful thinking.