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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Another retard 'fighting' for Ukraine.

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"U.S. About To Get Hit By MASSIVE Food Crisis, Ukraine War Sparks Global Shortages And Inflation"

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Ahahaha Tim Pool trying to sell food buckets again. I dont know how people watch him and take what he says seriously he is wrong about almost everything he talks about.
 
Could it alternatively be that people are weary that this conflict could be never-ending and the support and watch for Russia attempting something like this again be an eternal possibility? (Assuming it ends soon, or Russia draws back) I don't see it really going any other way and that will require a huge costs spent towards it and more. I'm not saying Russia should take Ukraine but I do feel that Europe and Nato should pick up the slack on that if they do end up in a long drawn out watch of Russia indefinitely of if the conflict somehow slogs for long periods of time. (years) I know Nato is active now but I want to see this not be a one and done thing with Ukraine left out to dry or only held up by US support in the future if so.

Of course everyone could just believe if Russia fails at this attempt, it won't happen again, but that sounds pretty absurd to me or naïve.
A never ending conflict would make sense to predict if we were talking about a Middle Eastern country where they enjoy long standing traditions of killing each other like lunatics, but that seems less likely with Ukraine. I'm doubtful Putin even intended a serious conflict as I think he expected most Ukrainians to just welcome their big brother country with open arms. In part this is because most Russians are probably used to the idea of living in a relatively stable country and having intense sanctions put on them just fucks that idea to hell.

You do understand that keeping the poor so poor that their only option in life is to join army is actually quite fucking callous imperial policy? You're literally forcing a good proportion of your population to live in truly fucked up and shitty conditions to have a pool of desperate and eager cannon-fodder for your military machinery. No European country does this, but then again, no European country is an empire anymore.
Poor compared to what? Life in the US isn't really that terrible, but everyone naturally wants to do better than they are and the military can look like a shortcut to getting there. If you've no idea what to do with yourself, then you could join in and "have a purpose" while being instructed on what to do with your life.

It's typically not the "only option" in peoples' lives to join the army, but it ends up looking like a much more meaningful thing to do with many peoples' lives than going to work at a nearby convenience store. You have the general idea that you're going off to try and help others.

The people going off to fight in the Middle East probably weren't thinking they were helping to create an American empire by helping Iraq have a Democracy (not sure how that'd work either). Yet since the takeaway from past conflicts like that is that all those efforts were retarded. It makes a lot of people view places like Ukraine as completely hopeless or that giving any sort of help to avoid Ukrainians getting killed off would lead to them being mocked as acting as imperialists.

This is part of why I think the political currents have changed regarding foreign conflicts, because if Americans did try helping any other country it'd just be viewed as them trying to clean up their own mess rather than an attempt to help anyone. If it's just going to make those Americans look like a villain to "clean up their own mess" then why would they bother?
 
Poor compared to what? Life in the US isn't really that terrible, but everyone naturally wants to do better than they are and the military can look like a shortcut to getting there. If you've no idea what to do with yourself, then you could join in and "have a purpose" while being instructed on what to do with your life.

It's typically not the "only option" in peoples' lives to join the army, but it ends up looking like a much more meaningful thing to do with many peoples' lives than going to work at a nearby convenience store. You have the general idea that you're going off to try and help others.

The people going off to fight in the Middle East probably weren't thinking they were helping to create an American empire by helping Iraq have a Democracy (not sure how that'd work either). Yet since the takeaway from past conflicts like that is that all those efforts were retarded. It makes a lot of people view places like Ukraine as completely hopeless or that giving any sort of help to avoid Ukrainians getting killed off would lead to them being mocked as acting as imperialists.

This is part of why I think the political currents have changed regarding foreign conflicts, because if Americans did try helping any other country it'd just be viewed as them trying to clean up their own mess rather than an attempt to help anyone. If it's just going to make those Americans look like a villain to "clean up their own mess" then why would they bother?


Well, lets just say that where I live, everyone can attend university and thus better their prospects in life, if they just have the mental capabilities of doing so. The cost of studying at our universities(and every other form of higher education) is so cheap that even if your parents are piss-poor, no-one has to abstain from higher education because of that. This is what I mean by keeping your under-classes decidedly poor to be used as fuel for your warmachine. And yes, I know that the poor in 'murica have it much better than in many other parts of the world, but in Northern and western Europe no-one lives in such poverty as you have there.
 
Russia has accused Canada of "kindergarten-level" diplomacy in a Twitter tiff over a social media post by Canada's United Nations mission.
The diplomatic spat is over a letter seeking support for a draft Russian resolution about aid in Ukraine.
Canada posted the letter to Twitter with "suggested edits", which led to retweets from other UN missions.
A Russian diplomat has called it "Russophobic libel".

Vodka niggers absolutely fucking seething over internet shitposting. The edits in question:
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Well, lets just say that where I live, everyone can attend university and thus better their prospects in life, if they just have the mental capabilities of doing so. The cost of studying at our universities(and every other form of higher education) is so cheap that even if your parents are piss-poor, no-one has to abstain from higher education because of that. This is what I mean by keeping your under-classes decidedly poor to be used as fuel for your warmachine. And yes, I know that the poor in 'murica have it much better than in many other parts of the world, but in Northern and western Europe no-one lives in such poverty as you have there.

Any idiot in the US can go to community college on grants and scholarships, maybe with a small contribution from a part time job, and get an associate's degree. Those with "the mental capabilities of doing so" can go on to get a bachelor's degree at little or even no cost on a merit scholarship. And if you have to pay your own way, tuition at many state schools and online schools is still very reasonable. Not everyone takes out six figures in loans to attend a private school on the other side of the country and live the "college experience."

This idea that the military comprises America's underclass isn't true anyway. The military is a middle class institution.

 
Well, lets just say that where I live, everyone can attend university and thus better their prospects in life, if they just have the mental capabilities of doing so. The cost of studying at our universities(and every other form of higher education) is so cheap that even if your parents are piss-poor, no-one has to abstain from higher education because of that. This is what I mean by keeping your under-classes decidedly poor to be used as fuel for your warmachine. And yes, I know that the poor in 'murica have it much better than in many other parts of the world, but in Northern and western Europe no-one lives in such poverty as you have there.
After a quick google search I see the cost of studying at a college in my city is about $3.4k a year. That doesn't seem that high. Checking a decent school in my state it's about $10k for a two year degree (not including housing or food).

When I went to college a little more than a decade ago the cost was somewhere between $500-$800 a semester.

It's more expensive than it feels like it ought to be, but it's not that insanely priced.
 
Another retard 'fighting' for Ukraine.

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You do not sign up for War unless you are assuming death. The people going over and quitting are not built for it and should not have even considered it if they are afraid of death. It's not a game, it is real life. My line in the sand for fighting is a Nuke being dropped, tactical or otherwise, unless this happens you won't see me running to the recruitment center because it is just short of suicide.
 

Chinese official calls sanctions on Russia increasingly 'outrageous'​


A senior Chinese government official said on Saturday that sanctions imposed by Western nations on Russia over Ukraine are increasingly "outrageous".

Vice Foreign Minister Le Yucheng also acknowledged Moscow's point of view on NATO, saying the alliance should not further expand eastwards, forcing a nuclear power like Russia "into a corner".

China has yet to condemn Russia's action in Ukraine or call it an invasion, though it has expressed deep concern about the war. Beijing has also opposed economic sanctions on Russia over Ukraine, which it says are unilateral and are not authorised by the U.N. Security Council.


"The sanctions against Russia are getting more and more outrageous," Le said at security forum in Beijing, adding that Russian citizens were being deprived of overseas assets "for no reason".

"History has proven time and again that sanctions cannot solve problems. Sanctions will only harm ordinary people, impact the economic and financial system... and worsen the global economy."

Russia calls its actions in Ukraine a "special operation" that it says is not designed to occupy territory but to destroy its neighbour's military capabilities and capture what it regards as dangerous nationalists.


In a call on Friday between Joe Biden and Xi Jinping, the U.S. president warned his Chinese counterpart of "consequences" if Beijing gave material support to Russia's attack, the White House said. read more

Moscow has demanded legally binding guarantees from NATO that it will stop its expansion and return to its 1997 borders.

"This pursuit of absolute security (by NATO) precisely leads to absolute non-security," Le said. "The consequences of forcing a major power, especially a nuclear power, into a corner are even more unimaginable."


President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said this week that Ukraine could accept international security guarantees that stopped short of its longstanding aim to join NATO.

 

China Planned Taiwan Invasion in Fall, Alleged Russian Intel Leak Claims​

Taiwan's top diplomat said he couldn't speak on the authenticity of a purported Russian intelligence document that claimed Chinese President Xi Jinping had plans to annex the island nation this fall.

Joseph Wu, Taiwan's minister of foreign affairs, said on Wednesday that his country would have to prepare regardless. "No matter if or when China decides to attack us, we must always be ready to defend ourselves," he told reporters in Taipei.

During a defense committee hearing in the island's legislature, Wu told lawmakers that he was aware of media reports about the document said to be written by an anonymous analyst with Russia's Federal Security Service calling themself "Wind of Change." The foreign minister said he wasn't able to verify the alleged FSB document, but said Taiwan's own intelligence services were closely monitoring relevant chatter.

The letter in question is part of a series published by France-based Russian dissident Vladimir Osechkin, a human rights lawyer who runs gulagu-net.ru, a website documenting abuses in Russian jails. Osechkin claims to have received seven letters since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The FSB whistleblower has painted a detailed picture of fear and chaos inside Russia's principal intelligence service, where apparently none but a select few were aware of Putin's plans.

Christo Grozev, the executive director of investigative journalism group Bellingcat, said earlier this month that his FSB contacts believe the whistleblower to be authentic, even if they didn't agree with the conclusions of his analysis.

In the fourth letter to Osechkin, dated March 9, the author describes the difficult position in which Moscow has put Beijing because of Putin's decision to invade Ukraine, a move that united the West and turned Russia into such a pariah that China would find it hard to offer support.

"Because of the war, Russia has such a negative image for a number of countries that the United States can easily push sanctions against China, at least with the Europeans, if it risks circumventing the sanctions on Russia," the letter read. "China depends on exports so much that, coupled with its dependence on commodity prices…this would be almost a fatal blow."

The whistleblower continued: "Not only that: Xi Jinping was at least tentatively considering the capture of Taiwan in the autumn—he needs his own small victory in order to be re-elected for a third term—there is a colossal power struggle among the [party] elite. Now, after the events in Ukraine, this window of opportunity has shut, which gives the United States the opportunity to both blackmail Xi and negotiate with his [political] rivals on favorable terms."

The author concludes that Moscow's actions had inadvertently trapped Beijing, forcing the Chinese leadership to scuttle its own invasion plans.

While Newsweek wasn't able to independently verify the authenticity of the FSB letter, it's worth noting that the information about China's timeline would contradict Taiwan's own intelligence on the subject.

In October 2021, months into Russia's troop buildup along Ukraine's borders, Taipei's chief of intelligence, Chen Ming-tong, told lawmakers that, barring an unexpected contingency, an attack by China wasn't likely in the next three years, until after Taiwan's President Tsai Ing-wen leaves office.

A Chinese amphibious invasion in fall would also go against conventional military thinking, which takes into account unfavorable weather conditions across the Taiwan Strait throughout the summer and at least through September.

The Chinese Communist Party's 20th National Congress, where Xi is expecting to secure a third term, is also scheduled for fall and could begin in October or November.

Newsweek has contacted the Chinese government and the Russian Foreign Ministry for comment.

But the sanctions only hurts the West and not the Russians and Chinese? I am confused Putler bros have been saying this would help the Russians...
It did manage to unite China, Russia, and India in friendship, so perhaps it is not as good as West hopes.
 
@Useful_Mistake "It did manage to unite China, Russia, and India in friendship, so perhaps it is not as good as West hopes."

But they do trade with us on a large level, Like its a 2-way street, they get punched in the gut just as hard if not harder. Who else buys metric tons of cheap plastic shit in the volumes the west does?
 
Which of the three countries I mentioned are you talking about?
Out of the 3 mentioned, Nothing I own or actually need comes from any of them. Gas and Oil in NA at least is self sustainable, the only thing I can think of that is a bit of a kick in the teeth is cheap clothing that comes out of India textile factories. China almost everything I own is cheap plastics or knock-offs we can build them here if need be and gas and Oil from Russia is nice but we have more then they do in reserves if push came to shove. I use no services from any of the 3 countries either.
 
without full power level, I have ties to a person who was in command echelon of the soviet Pacific fleet.

USSR had 100% intent and matched US navy on their terms, but not in the way of building US style carriers that looked like giant targets. The best non-mil person (me) can understand, it was to diversify assets, by having a lot more smaller vessels acting in unison. Coordination and scenarios were key and shit was far more serious than today's Russian Navy (or army)

Real shocker: at the
In Europe.



I'm quite confident that eventually Putin is going somewhere, with a bullet in his head put there by someone close to him that wants to see this shitshow wind down.




It's quite naive to think that sentiments like "hating" someone would have any real effect on the alliances politicians make.



Might still have. WWI was also a very weird war in the sense that it was fought like the wars of the past with the might of then-modern weaponry, which contributed very greatly to the overall destructiveness. Had the people in charge had any inclination of how effective tanks, machine-guns and mustard gas would be in combat the war could have been quite different, and perhaps even less bloody.




While Ukraine and Russia are both very large food producers, so is USA. I've hard time believing this situation would actually lead to food crisis; prices may go up a little, but apart from that I'm quite sure that everything goes on as normal.



You do understand that in the country the size of Ukraine, 120,000 voters is roughly 0.4% of the population?




You do understand that keeping the poor so poor that their only option in life is to join army is actually quite fucking callous imperial policy? You're literally forcing a good proportion of your population to live in truly fucked up and shitty conditions to have a pool of desperate and eager cannon-fodder for your military machinery. No European country does this, but then again, no European country is an empire anymore.
Literally every European country west of Berlin has basically been doing that, but using Americans instead of their own schmucks
 
Nothing I own or actually need comes from any of them.
China almost everything I own


You do realize China has US by the balls and this is big right? Who controls your medicine, for example? Oh, the chinese. I'm sure US doesn't trade with India at all, though. Oh? 9th biggest partner of US? Huh. The fact that Russia can bypass the sanctions via India and China is not good, and it is nowhere as easy to counter as you claim.
What does Russia being friends with China and India do for them?
Go around the sanctions.
 
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