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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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You do realize China has US by the balls and this is big right? Who controls your medicine, for example? Oh, the chinese. I'm sure US doesn't trade with India at all, though. Oh? 9th biggest partner of US? Huh. The fact that Russia can bypass the sanctions via India and China is not good, and it is nowhere as easy to counter as you claim.
I think if China disappeared we would survive lol. You act like the population controlled west with its vast land and lower population per square inch is harder to manage then countries like China and India with Billions of people packed into a dense area. Just look at Canada its got a top end of 40 million pop. and is the second biggest country behind Russia but has less then a third of their population.
 
You do realize China has US by the balls and this is big right? Who controls your medicine, for example? Oh, the chinese. I'm sure US doesn't trade with India at all, though. Oh? 9th biggest partner of US? Huh. The fact that Russia can bypass the sanctions via India and China is not good, and it is nowhere as easy to counter as you claim.
China and India will not make up for the rest of the world. They don't make up for Taiwan cutting the Russians off from computer chips, the west cutting them off from technology, or being cutoff from the global financial system. We already seeing that with Russia going through a literal economic meltdown right now.
 
What the hell is going on here
Helicopters don't have a particularly great range, so they'll be re-positioned by road or rail whenever possible. The US (and anyone using western designs) uses low loaders to transport them. The Russians, being fairly practical about such things, just gave them bigger wheels and a tow hook.
 
Helicopters don't have a particularly great range, so they'll be re-positioned by road or rail whenever possible. The US (and anyone using western designs) uses low loaders to transport them. The Russians, being fairly practical about such things, just gave them bigger wheels and a tow hook.
I found out the context, I think. Ukraine is attempting to retake Kherson, there's an airfield that they bombed, these are from there.
 
I think if China disappeared we would survive lol. You act like the population controlled west with its vast land and lower population per square inch is harder to manage then countries like China and India with Billions of people packed into a dense area. Just look at Canada its got a top end of 40 million pop. and is the second biggest country behind Russia but has less then a third of their population.
Mate, Canada just bought and is still in the process of adding new fresh water bulk carriers that are made in Chinese shipyards. I wouldn't be so confident about Canada's abilities to become self sufficient while retaining modern comforts conferred by foreign industrial powerhouses on the flip of a switch.
 
You do realize China has US by the balls and this is big right? Who controls your medicine, for example? Oh, the chinese. I'm sure US doesn't trade with India at all, though. Oh? 9th biggest partner of US? Huh. The fact that Russia can bypass the sanctions via India and China is not good, and it is nowhere as easy to counter as you claim.

Go around the sanctions.
You do realize that just as much as the US need China, China also need US to prop up their economy, perhaps even more? A third of their economy is based on a literal house of cards that they don't have the courage to pop or deflate the bubble of, while the other is from being the world's factory, and only smaller portion from domestic consumption. Once the Real Estate bubble will pop (which they definitely will), the Chinese domestic consumption will fall, slowing their economy even further. And the position of being the world's factory is not exactly that much secure since businesses at the end of the day still could just moved elsewhere, which some of them already did because of China's increasing isolationism and Wolf Warrior-ism
 
Mate, Canada just bought and is still in the process of adding new fresh water bulk carriers that are made in Chinese shipyards. I wouldn't be so confident about Canada's abilities to become self sufficient while retaining modern comforts conferred by foreign industrial powerhouses on the flip of a switch.
Come on man we buy shit from China because its cheaper not because we are a fucking brainless and inept people. If China and Russia disappeared we would adjust to it. How can 40 million people on 6% of the earths total landmass possibly survive without the east...
 
Come on man we buy shit from China because its cheaper not because we are a fucking brainless and inept people. If China and Russia disappeared we would adjust to it. How can 40 million people on 6% of the earths total landmass possibly survive without the east...
Yes, people will adjust. However a lot of the conveniences thanks to the availability of cheap and important goods like sensors and various textiles will go away. It certainly won't be an easy adjustment.
 
Yes, people will adjust. However a lot of the conveniences thanks to the availability of cheap and important goods like sensors and various textiles will go away. It certainly won't be an easy adjustment.
Already seeing stuff starting to move to countries like India and I expect some African countries to try this path. You are right it will take time to adjust and won't be done on mass scale anytime soon but clear the wheels are turning and why China are trying to diversify away from just manufacturing the products for non-chinese businesses.
 
We should probably just subtitle this thread "And then things got worse..." since things just keep getting worse and worse for Russia.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1505260472492347395?
Looks like a bunch of Belarussians pissed off at how Russia's treating their country took matters into their own hands.
I saw this earlier, was this the antifa equivalent of western nations? Or was it actually Railway workers sabotaging. Again who knows if this is true its coming from some random twitter account. If it is true I would imagine the Belarussian and Russians would not showcase it.
 
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I wouldn't call two seperate countries taking advantage of Russia's predicament to buy their shit at cut rates to be "united in friendship", but YMMV I guess.
It should also be noted that India is friendly with Russia but not China, so "uniting together" is a bit misleading. The Indians have always had friendly relations with Russia since the USSR days but if any conflict required them to choose between Russia and America they'd go with the Americans since they're the only ones that could defend against the Chinese encroaching on their border. Who they hate with a passion, almost as much as Pakistan. Their ties to the US got closer under Trump, and they even want to be part of a "Pacific Nato" with Japan and Australia to counter China. So I wouldn't buy the idea that this is the beginning of some Eurasian alliance, but India trying to play off both sides to get what benefits them.
 
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Unless they do that under the table along with bribing some bureaucrats. That reminds me of the speech given by President Eisenhower in his farewell speech. I wonder if "Ike" saw the military industrial complex as a unstoppable Frankenstein monster?
The United States "military industrial complex" as Eisenhower described and blood libeled was something that he created. From the Articles of Confederation to today, the entire U.S. business of making weapons for Uncle Sam and foreign customers have been entirely under complete control of the U.S. Govt. Especially after the American Civil War had ended.
 
We should probably just subtitle this thread "And then things got worse..." since things just keep getting worse and worse for Russia.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1505260472492347395?
Looks like a bunch of Belarussians pissed off at how Russia's treating their country took matters into their own hands.
I saw this earlier, was this the antifa equivalent of western nations? Or was it actually Railway workers sabotaging. Again who knows if this is true its coming from some random twitter account. If it is true I would imagine the Bellarusian and Russians would not showcase it.

it's legit, there are other official accounts who saying this without providing details much earlier, like a day or two ago, only saying that trains between Ukraine and Belarus will not go. I assumed they just blew up a bridge to prevent resupply.

Putin has been bullying Belarus to join, but their army is probably on par what Ukrainians were in 2014. The main avenues for bodies and wounded are Belarus and Crimea and Belarus hospitals are so swamped that civilians can't even see a doc anymore. Some Belarus army was reportedly washing/repairing Russian armor coming back and picking the ashes and body parts out. These kinds of news spread fast on army bases.

I've also heard that many Belarus army troops don't want to go, probably not from altruism but it's a fucking meat grinder and no one got time for that. There were rumors of Russian officers coming to Belarus units since Belarus officers resigned. Some units forced to put russian uniforms ... I know it's a lot of rumors, but if 50% of them have little bit of truth I can see this shit happening.

I have a Belarus bud who is in the crowd who wanted regime change, back when they ran fake election, not recently. There are def some Belarus who don't mind to go into forests to fight Russians, it's just that there are not too many of them. There are Belarus volunteers who fight in Ukraine military, they have their own brigade.



I don't know if US Army has "military passport" of sorts, basically in Soviet and Russian forces it details your assignments, awards and trivia like uniform size.

"Special Notes: predisposed to alcoholism, drug use, thievery and anal orgies. Base xxxx, Colonel V. Kul'gavyuk"

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Everything in Russia has always been depressing.

Anyone that has ever interacted with any person living in Russia in their life can tell that life over there has always been depressing and how the whole place is just a shithole full of mean people and retards, Russians will always tell you how much living in Russia sucks but they'll also go on about how their military is amazing and how cool the soldiers are.

And then they lost that one thing they had to boast about their country: the idea of their might.

At first, it was kinda funny to see Russia stumble around Ukraine not being able to take over a super small third world shithole for the longest time I thought that Russia was the new war machine of the world, the one thing that could beat America and any country of the world that dared to oppose them... and then, this Invasion happened and it results that Russia was weak all along, it results that their army is not as super-advanced as I thought, those talks of "super-advanced military technology" resulted to be nothing more than bluffing.

It's almost depressing to know that Russia, which prided itself on being the biggest and meanest country in the world, has been outed as nothing but a paper tiger.

It's almost depressing, but it's undoubtedly hilarious.
 
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The United States "military industrial complex" as Eisenhower described and blood libeled was something that he created. From the Articles of Confederation to today, the entire U.S. business of making weapons for Uncle Sam and foreign customers have been entirely under complete control of the U.S. Govt. Especially after the American Civil War had ended.
He didn't blood-libel it, merely cautioned about letting it escape control and take over, the same as all the other things he had been involved with. Just because the M-I complex was necessary given the demands the USA had of securing the liberty of the free world, that didn't mean he had to like it.
 
It should also be noted that India is friendly with Russia but not China, so "uniting together" is a bit misleading.
Yeah that's been brought up before when people keep mentioning this weird idea that the Russkies, chinks and Pajeets are going to enter some weird tripartite esque pact.

The Indians have always had friendly relations with Russia since the USSR days but if any conflict required them to choose between Russia and America they'd go with the Americans since they're the only ones that could defend against the Chinese encroaching on their border
I'm not sure I entirely agree with this. The biggest issue is India is massively, massively reliant on Russian arms. Something like 2/3 of their arms imports over the last 20 years are Russian, and anywhere between 60-85% of their shit is now of Russian origin (meaning it's generally dependent on Russian supplies for spare parts/maintenence etc). I'm sure India would like American support to stand off the Chinks, but if worst comes to worst they could manage without it given the terrain etc. What they couldn't manage without is all their military shit. Unless American/the West makes some sort of insanely generous offers to help India rearm with western made shit the literally cannot afford to turn away from Russia to any meaningful extent.
 
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