Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

It looks like they're saying by assuming women who are attracted to women are lesbians they're "erasing" bisexuals. A huge reach and a lame gotcha. Speaking of Ollie, will you ever address your magical vanishing bisexuality? Or are we just going to accept you as the stunning lesbean you've always been and move on? I'm still scratching my head over this GAMP to AGP bullshit. Was he really after Contra's limp peen and decided since Contra is a "woman" it counts as lesbian attraction now? A man screwing a man is peak female homosexuality in the year 2022, after all.

You're already putting too much thought into it. Current year trannies are making up pure retardation such as "bi lesbians" and "pan lesbians". What the fuck does that even mean? How the fuck does that even work? I mean besides the usual troonish bullshit like "well we're trannies but we both seem to love gobbling knobs so we're bi lesbians" or "I trooned out so my wife/gf is a lesbian but I still have my cock and I fuck her with that so she must be bisexual".

 

[fax machine]

I don't think having a Twitter is doing Olly any favors for his brand on top of his YouTube, Patreon, Tumblr, and Reddit engagement. It's either me me me, preaching to the choir, or unfunny uncalled-for replies. He doesn't have the knack for interesting takes and shitposting that Contra has (I'm thinking of the "this generation is like you don't have to be trans to be trans!" and "I will never identify with good representation because I am bad" tweets) but thankfully this is one area he isn't trying to inauthentically copy.

His Twitter leaves me cold as well, but I think it might be necessary for the brand he's currently building. He wants to be a trans warrior activist princess, uncontroversially adored by the community (unlike Contra), admired as a trailblazer and supported in all his work. He can't do that if he's not on Twitter rubbing shoulders with other big names and restating his views every week. Lots of personalities that seem abrasive and unfunny to outsiders can appeal to those in the ingroup as long as they exhibit the right sympathies and allegiances. I doubt the KJB Patreon would have reached its present height of ~$24K/month if PT didn't cultivate a Twitter following appreciative of bland trans truisms repackaged with memes for easy consumption.

The question is whether Olly can both appeal to Trans Twitter and develop a public profile as a respectable actress — a BBC lady, as he once said. I don't see much overlap between those two image concepts, but it might not matter anyway because what are the odds that his acting career actually takes off? In the meantime, he's making money off an audience that appreciates what he puts out, mediocre as it is. That's not a bad place to be if he doesn't have the option of just getting better at what he does.

Speaking of getting better, lol:



I find this sneer hilarious coming from a guy who poses like a muscle god after lifting on and off for two years with real but certainly not maximal results. Just train harder, he says. Duh! Like these swimmers don’t wake up in the darkness, train for hours in the pool and out of it, multiple times a day every day during the season, building up to this moment for half of their lives. Mfer doesn’t know what training is. The structure of college swimming ensures that everyone on the team trains more or less equally hard. Everyone is pretty close to maxed out; those who rise to the top do so on the strength of natural advantage.

You can’t accurately compare the natural advantages of women in order to find the most exceptional among them when a biological male has category frauded his way into the mix with an advantage of a completely different magnitude. If it’s unfair for natural athletes to compete against dopers, then it’s unfair for these women to compete against Lia Thomas. Testosterone is basically an endogenous PED. It only makes sense to have separate categories for those who’ve had it in their systems at male-typical levels and those who haven’t. But the categories can’t serve their intended purpose if they aren’t enforced.

"Train harder" is advice for casuals like Devon who could train harder if they wanted to but choose otherwise. It's useless to athletes already training so hard that they can't recover fast enough to train harder without the aid of banned substances.

professional twitter users shut up about subjects you've never tried to understand challenge

 

[PennyAni]

Real talk: does this mean Vaush will troon out next?

@fax machine

He's going to have to keep saying it about American girls: British women are too normal, slavs are too conservative and wouldn't put up with his troon shit, and girls are the younger more gullible version of women. If I heard Oliver was coming to visit America I'd insists all the blonde female friends I have had an experimental week of hair dying, or however long he's here.

We're probably going to have to wait a long time on that since even a Black Trans woman would get shat on for saying shit about Oli.

Probably right on the waiting time. This new, ever-more-ridiculous Twitter drama b/t Kat and Vaush would need to have long blown over.

But after that....I'm not so sure if Kat would get a lot of flack for saying anything about Olly now. It's odd how even though his social capital increased in some ways post-troon, it has also decreased in other ways. Like, look at his subreddit now compared to pre-2021. Look at his Twitter; look how basically all of his breadtube contemporaries (the popular kids clique within Breadtube) don't associate with him publicly anymore. Like, at all. (Not counting Lindsay Ellis and only bc she's still locked into a contract with him wrt her audiobooks.)

Just to derail the thread a bit here, but after looking into #1 Abighoul fan JoanfromLegal on redit she is apparently a black-?- female lesbian who obsessively follows his subredit, his podcast and just casually brings him up in other subs? I am convinced this has to be an ollie alt.

Definitely not. She's calling out his misogyny now and being called a TERF by Olly's new, almost exclusively trans Reddit fans. I dont know if she's black; only that she calls herself a "POC". She told me privately all kinds of opinions that she was only a couple months ago slamming others for having. (Bringing up the fact that he was a rich, upperclass cishet man for 90% of his life and that's probably where the misogyny comes from, that it's gotten worse and worse since the transition, etc.)

 

[AfghanBlue]

She told me privately all kinds of opinions that she was only a couple months ago slamming others for having. (Bringing up the fact that he was a rich, upperclass cishet man for 90% of his life and that's probably where the misogyny comes from, that it's gotten worse and worse since the transition, etc.)

no fucking way- Joan was listening

I love this for us.

 

[narcissistic injury]

It must be very lonely to be Olly… that is if he even feels the need for human interactions, companionship

He has like zero legit bonds with ppl

Still in awe that he hasn’t even met Alice

No one else will talk to him

But I still don’t feel bad because I know the exact type of ladder climbing “ambitious” ghoul narcs and I can’t fucking stand them

U reap what u sow

 

[AfghanBlue]

Still in awe that he hasn’t even met Alice

Fr I am shaken to the core by that.
Reckon they’ll even get together before the live event?
How fucking weird would that be- oh hi it’s all us pals, yeah we’ve never been in a room with each other either!

Stuff is different irl. Ask all the weirdos who get internet long term bfs/gfs- and they speak on the phone and shit “, even video too- til they *actually* meet.
Think it’s supposed to be the same with some friendships too. Idk I was never pedo-naive/ lonesome enough to actually go and make/meet net friends.

It would be super interesting though totally unbearable to be in that theatre. Like I wouldn’t physically be able to hack it. The play would be different, that would be way less awkward and more flat out hillarious.
But yeah, ugh, the live show.
Now fucking way am I listening to their noise/ it’s hard enough To stomach a few mins when it’s just them- if there’s a bit of video I can try to watch it though.

Just find it so weird that you’d even start a podcast with someone you’d never met in the first place. His interactions with them seem so shallow and like, have only upped in ante since the podcast, so like how did their ‘relationship’ even start?

 

[PennyAni]

no fucking way- Joan was listening

I love this for us.

Right? Me too. I wish she would be more public about some of those other views she's cultivating....but I also know she knows that she'd be banned from the sub and Idk if she's ready for that.


Wrt: Olly's flat- werent his older videos filmed in his apt? I remember a few scenes from the kitchen of the apt. he shared with a roommate. A living room or study area with a bookshelf was featured. Occasionally he would do scenes from his bedroom....

Idk why it has to be all fancy sets and stylists now. He's wasting a shitload of money on basically....nothing.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Right? Me too. I wish she would be more public about some of those other views she's cultivating....but I also know she knows that she'd be banned from the sub and Idk if she's ready for that.


Wrt: Olly's flat- werent his older videos filmed in his apt? I remember a few scenes from the kitchen of the apt. he shared with a roommate. A living room or study area with a bookshelf was featured. Occasionally he would do scenes from his bedroom....

Idk why it has to be all fancy sets and stylists now. He's wasting a shitload of money on basically....nothing.

He has really bad financial literacy for a rich kid. I hope he's investing some of his Chubetube money so it can sustain him, because his "talent" certainly won't longterm.

 

[PennyAni]

He has really bad financial literacy for a rich kid. I hope he's investing some of his Chubetube money so it can sustain him, because his "talent" certainly won't longterm.

Absolutely. I mean all that cash on sets and costumes and paying for makeup artists and all that b.s. It's just stupid. He could literally do most of that himself like he used to and his videos wouldn't be worse for it. (I mean that might not be possible lol).

How much does Olly make, anyway? Like with his few acting gigs, the audiobook thing, the vaccine project thing, his YouTube revenue AND his Patreon altogether. Has anyone ever estimated it all?

If I was getting that kind of money....ok and for this thought experiment I'm gonna pretend I'm not married with too many kids and am instead a single working person in my 20s with no kids, like Olly. I would ask my parents for advice or referrals about investments and invest a bunch of it. Maybe up to about 1/4 of the money. Then I'd put at LEAST another 1/4-1/3 of the total monthly income into and interest-generating savings, and live comfortably but not at all lavishly on the rest while continuing to work.

I was scrolling through my YouTube home feed earlier today and saw that Kat Blaque was in the midst of a livestream "AMA About the Vaush Drama". So I hopped on for awhile. Mostly Kat ranted more than answering questions. But towards the end, after most of the Vaushites had cleared out, she did look at the chat and answered some questions, which by then had moved off the topic of Twitter drama and onto lefty politics and Breadtube stuff.

Anyway, I saw two people- one was a superchat- ask her what she thought of Abigail Thorn and also why didnt she ever talk to or about Abi anymore. She pointedly ignored those questions, even tho she was trying to reply to all the other superchats. 'Twas interesting, tho unsurprising.

Fr I am shaken to the core by that.
Reckon they’ll even get together before the live event?
How fucking weird would that be- oh hi it’s all us pals, yeah we’ve never been in a room with each other either!

Stuff is different irl. Ask all the weirdos who get internet long term bfs/gfs- and they speak on the phone and shit “, even video too- til they *actually* meet.
Think it’s supposed to be the same with some friendships too. Idk I was never pedo-naive/ lonesome enough to actually go and make/meet net friends.

It would be super interesting though totally unbearable to be in that theatre. Like I wouldn’t physically be able to hack it. The play would be different, that would be way less awkward and more flat out hillarious.
But yeah, ugh, the live show.
Now fucking way am I listening to their noise/ it’s hard enough To stomach a few mins when it’s just them- if there’s a bit of video I can try to watch it though.

Just find it so weird that you’d even start a podcast with someone you’d never met in the first place. His interactions with them seem so shallow and like, have only upped in ante since the podcast, so like how did their ‘relationship’ even start?

I will say that I actually have met a lot of very good friends initially online. I've met some people who I only knew online beforehand who have been IRL as-close-as-family friends for 15+ years. And I met my now-husband on an online theology and philosophy debate forum that is now defunct. There's a rule of thumb that I believe is true: if you get along with someone online, you'll very likely get along with them IRL. [as long as you're being yourself and not actively trying to catfish people or lying about who you are, etc.]

So, who knows what it'll be like when they meet? As to where they met....I'd bet anything in some kind of online tranny meeting place or FB or Reddit sub or something, or even maybe trans Twitter?

 

[illhavetwo]

Real talk: does this mean Vaush will troon out next?

Someone on the Vaush thread once said that Vaush talked about being too masculinized for estrogen to have a good effect on him, which means he wants to transition but thinks he would be too ugly as a woman. Someone should show him Kevin Amhole's egg cracking tweet about how if you're afraid to transition because you'd make an ugly woman, that's gender dysphoria and it means you're definitely trans and you should transition. I'd love to see the dynamics between Contra-Olly-Vaush-Kat if that happens.

 

[Futaba]

Someone on the Vaush thread once said that Vaush talked about being too masculinized for estrogen to have a good effect on him, which means he wants to transition but thinks he would be too ugly

Never thought I would agree with Vaush on anything but... yeah turns out his best case face app woman scenario is Jim Sterling.

I often get Kat Blaque vids recommended to me but the only one Ive watched in full is the AGP one he did recently - where he denies that AGP is a thing as is the troon party line. Kat full well knows AGPs exist as well as the GAMP pathway to transition but he will bury any mention of this because it hurts his cause. The Kats and Blaires of this world know exactly what they are (body modified gay boys with internalised homophobia) but they still cant fully come to terms with reality - I would be okay with that but its coming at the expense of womens rights/safeguarding

 

[Clem Fandango]

Considering his obvious misogyny it's definitely the latter. It's 100% intentional mockery and he's using it precisely as he intended it.

It also gives the game away that he doesn't think he's actually a woman. Not really.

Oh he'll dress like them, talk like them, wear the make up, sure. But he still talks about women as if they're something other than him.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

It also gives the game away that he doesn't think he's actually a woman. Not really.

Oh he'll dress like them, talk like them, wear the male up, sure. But he still talks about women as if they're something other than him.

Funny as it sounds there are more than a few tranny supremacists out there. "You fought for your womanhood so you're, like, a super-woman" isn't too far off what they say. "Trans women were worshipped like gods" is another one of their favourite lines.

 

[The Jackal]

Someone on the Vaush thread once said that Vaush talked about being too masculinized for estrogen to have a good effect on him, which means he wants to transition but thinks he would be too ugly as a woman.

Not sure about that - he isn't very masculine. He would indeed be an ugly troon though.

 

[narcissistic injury]

Idk why it has to be all fancy sets and stylists now. He's wasting a shitload of money on basically....nothing.

Because he’s both trying to copy (sets) and one-up (stylists) contra

And.. Unlike contra he’s not particularly invested in trying to present as a woman and can’t be bothered to figure out hair/make up himself

Hence looking like garbage on livestreams

 

[AfghanBlue]

I will say that I actually have met a lot of very good friends initially online. I've met some people who I only knew online beforehand who have been IRL as-close-as-family friends for 15+ years. And I met my now-husband on an online theology and philosophy debate forum that is now defunct. There's a rule of thumb that I believe is true: if you get along with someone online, you'll very likely get along with them IRL. [as long as you're being yourself and not actively trying to catfish people or lying about who you are, etc.]

So, who knows what it'll be like when they meet? As to where they met....I'd bet anything in some kind of online tranny meeting place or FB or Reddit sub or something, or even maybe trans Twitter?

Oh really?
I thought there might be a pheromone mismatch IRL.

I was gonna say, well, they aren’t supposed to be banging BUT hahaha, they ARE ALL totally misrepresenting themselves physically online- picture the scene:

Abigail-as-Ian from that BBC bit-part, comes lumbering up to the troll with vacuum cleaner fluff, cat hair and dust emptyings hair~ he will certainly wanna show it to chube to demonstrate the ol ‘I take my hijab off to thee, ma’am’ thing we saw on reddit recently in the dressing room... and whatever the fuck Devon looks like, who cares but definitely not as suave as he tries to appear online, because only someone who is not, would try so.

All these people are vain narcs and are gonna be super grossed out /embarrassed from each other. Lav itttt

Oh yea - also, cacophonous as things are online for them all butting in, there is some actual sort of order that each has to put on to try(N’fail) and make something halfway listenable as media- but each of these narcs will want to be the biggest deal in the room IRL, before it’s even stated there will already be seething about who sits where, all of them just assuming they were going to literally have center seat.
Yea it’ll be an interesting dynamic fr

 

[Myrmidax]

Not sure about that - he isn't very masculine. He would indeed be an ugly troon though.

He has no shortage of some masculine traits, like belly fat, body hair, and an obnoxious loudmouth attitude, but it's the positive masculine traits he's lacking. One might even say he's rather toxic, to use one of their terms.

 

[The Jackal]

He has no shortage of some masculine traits, like belly fat, body hair, and an obnoxious loudmouth attitude, but it's the positive masculine traits he's lacking. One might even say he's rather toxic, to use one of their terms.

Perhaps. To me, though, if you take away the beard, he's just a sort of neutered, goblin-like creature.

 

[scathefire]

Speaking of Ollie, will you ever address your magical vanishing bisexuality? Or are we just going to accept you as the stunning lesbean you've always been and move on? I'm still scratching my head over this GAMP to AGP bullshit. Was he really after Contra's limp peen and decided since Contra is a "woman" it counts as lesbian attraction now? A man screwing a man is peak female homosexuality in the year 2022, after all.

I've said this before but this bisexual male --> transbian thing seems to happen fairly often, I guess because they're recontextualizing their GAMPness as "lesbian". Though in his "queer" video he claimed to be attracted to regular men so clearly there's a lie somewhere in here.

It's odd how even though his social capital increased in some ways post-troon, it has also decreased in other ways.

Maybe because in the troon era he's gotten a bit more mask-off with his narcissism, which puts more people off.

Someone should show him Kevin Amhole's egg cracking tweet about how if you're afraid to transition because you'd make an ugly woman, that's gender dysphoria and it means you're definitely trans and you should transition.

Dude part of the reason so many people get sucked into trooning out is because of the sheer number of things that TRAs say "if you think this, it's gender dysphoria and you are trans". For example, merely wondering if you are trans means you are trans, wanting to experience severe gender dysphoria to verify that you're trans means you are trans, etc... Though "being trans" isn't an objective or tangible thing by any means, but if you admit that then that means your campaign for "rights" goes down the toilet. (More than it already is due to the obviousness of it)

 

[narcissistic injury]

Perhaps. To me, though, if you take away the beard, he's just a sort of neutered, goblin-like creature.

LMAOOOO