Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but the cynic in me says putin might want them because any casualties they suffer won't lead to any domestic blowback for him.
That definitely is a possibility, but keep in mind that Putin is also heavily invested in keeping Lukashenko's regime in power as that is the cheapest and easiest way to keep it a Russian satellite. Lukashenko's Belarus is much weaker and more unstable than Putin's Russia and this war seems much less popular in Belarus than Russia. If Putin is willing to have Belarusian soldiers slaughtered, he might be sacrificing his closest ally for minor gains in this war.
 
Slight PL, I have some experience repairing culverts and drainage like this. This is LITERALLY, a 24 hour fix. Throw a culvert pipe under it, 4-5 truckloads of stone, run a tamper through it, keep speeds under 10mph until a 2nd tamping is done after a few weeks.

Assuming of course, the Russians have a competent equivalent of combat engineers.
That's still going to make whoever sent to fix the damage a very vulnerable target. And if the Russian sent some troops and toys to defend them, that's more resources diverted from their offensive preparation
 
Zelensky knows where the bodies are buried and who Hunter Biden invites to smoke crack and fuck child hookers. He will be assassinated once his usefulness is finished, and the Russians will be blamed to further inflame the situation. If he commits suicide, then also assume Langley's finest glownegros are involved.
"Zelensky didn't commit suicide," time to get in on this meme while it's still fresh!
 
I'll be honest, Belarus invading western Ukraine more or less alone might actually signal a good thing for Ukraine overall if it stalls extremely fast. As it signals that Putin is at the very least hesitant to commit more troops to Ukraine because he can't open up another front as his lines are stretched thin enough as is. Belarus will serve as a distraction, but if Russia doesn't send more manpower and equipment Ukraine has the upper hand in winning a war of attrition.
fighting so closely to a NATO border, alone, is massively beneficial to Ukraine and the narrative of unhinged Westward expansion from the Russians. This is literally bordering on a NATO security risk, better to funnel Belarusian manpower into already existing fronts.

anyway Lukashenko updated his battle plans
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That's still going to make whoever sent to fix the damage a very vulnerable target. And if the Russian sent some troops and toys to defend them, that's more resources diverted from their offensive preparation
Who the fuck runs trains through enemy controlled territory. (Probably Russians.)
 
If you girls think Ukraine is going to "win" this war..... Good luck with that hypothesis Reddit. wow:eli2:
I've asked this before. Define "win".

For Ukraine it is survival as an independent EU-aligned nation. That would be a win. Not sure if they can pull that one off.

For Russia it would be conquering the country without smashing up the infrastructure and no hostile population that hates them and no huge bills for all the destroyed equipment for their army that just proved how shitty and second-rate it was. They definitely have not won here and I don't think they can turn it around with wunderwaffe and strategic brilliance.

There are no winners in this war. Nobody is "winning". Everybody loses. War is not a zero-sum game.
 
I meant more in terms of general production outputs. One other thing I've heard is that a big part of our misreading of the soviet union was due to the state department being filled with ivy league types who were rather fond of communism, so they tending to make more positive assumptions about how well it worked, as well as how happy people were with it.
The thing was, the growth rate from the Tsardom to the USSR was absolutely tremendous...until it wasn't. That growth rate was what made people predict the USSR linearly eclipsing the USA at multiple points in the future, but the anticipated date kept getting pushed back.
Why? Because Tsarist Russia was a backwards totalitarian shithole, and the Socialists directed all government power and seizures to rapidly modernize and industrialize what was being formerly utterly wasted. Think of it as utilizing a heap of scrap iron and turning it into machinery. Naturally the potential is explosive...but then the USSR ran out of theoretical scrap iron to easily turn into new growth. Their growth plateued. No matter what was tried, Socialism just couldn't solve the incentive and growth issue. Instead, it engendered corruption, stagnation, and ultimately, economic collapse.
Every assumption about the USSR's economic capability was based off an illusion and assumptions rather than the truth of the source of the growth.
 
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I've asked this before. Define "win".

For Ukraine it is survival as an independent EU-aligned nation. That would be a win. Not sure if they can pull that one off.

For Russia it would be conquering the country without smashing up the infrastructure and no hostile population that hates them and no huge bills for all the destroyed equipment for their army that just proved how shitty and second-rate it was. They definitely have not won here and I don't think they can turn it around with wunderwaffe and strategic brilliance.

There are no winners in this war. Nobody is "winning". Everybody loses. War is not a zero-sum game.
Hence the quotes. I disagree with the premise Russia cares about infrastructure. They fucking built it, for starters, and what I have seen of the "infrastrukkkture" there, it isn't much that can't be replaced immediately. We didn't bomb the living fuck out of every enemy country we ever met wondering if the roads and power would still work. Multiply that by a thousand for Russia.
 
For Russia it would be conquering the country without smashing up the infrastructure and no hostile population that hates them and no huge bills for all the destroyed equipment for their army that just proved how shitty and second-rate it was. They definitely have not won here and I don't think they can turn it around with wunderwaffe and strategic brilliance.
I don't think Russia wants all of Ukraine. It would be too difficult and costly to control. I personally have my conditions for a total Russian win being them making all of Novorossiya independent, the east of the Dnieper being under Russian control in some way, recognition of Crimea being Russian, and the rump Ukraine having agreed to permanent neutrality, with more minor wins being only getting Crimea, the Donbas republics, neutrality, and maybe Kherson Oblast.
The thing was, the growth rate from the Tsardom to the USSR was absolutely tremendous...until it wasn't. That growth rate was what made people predict the USSR linearly eclipsing the USA at multiple points in the future, but the anticipated date kept getting pushed back.
Why? Because Tsarist Russia was a backwards totalitarian shithole, and the Socialists directed all government power and seizures to rapidly modernize and industrialize what eas being formerly utterly wasted. Think of it as utilizing a heap of scrap iron and turning it into machinery. Naturally the potential is explosive...but then the USSR ran out of theoretical scrap iron to easily turn into new growth. Their growth plateued. No matter what was tried, Socialism just couldn't solve the incentive and growth issue. Instead, it engendered corruption, stagnation, and ultimately, economic collapse.
Every assumption about the USSR's economic capability was based off an illusion and assumptions rather than the truth of the source of the growth.
I disagree a bit. While Tsarist Russia was backwards prior to the 20th century, its economy was absolutely exploding around the turn-of-the-century and up to World War I. More liberal economic policies pretty much guaranteed it, and Russia's growth so worried the German General Staff that the assassination of Franz Ferdinand presented potentially the final opportunity to stop Russia in its tracks while it was still vulnerable.
 
The Russians have not even gained control of Kharkiv in over 3 weeks of battle and it boarders the Russians its a fucking stone throw away from it, how do I know? Coach Red Pill is still putting out videos and is not bombed to death yet lol. What the fuck is happening Russia Bros?
 
I've asked this before. Define "win".

For Ukraine it is survival as an independent EU-aligned nation. That would be a win. Not sure if they can pull that one off.

For Russia it would be conquering the country without smashing up the infrastructure and no hostile population that hates them and no huge bills for all the destroyed equipment for their army that just proved how shitty and second-rate it was. They definitely have not won here and I don't think they can turn it around with wunderwaffe and strategic brilliance.

There are no winners in this war. Nobody is "winning". Everybody loses. War is not a zero-sum game.
If Putin wanted to win, he'd just puppet/annex the areas with Russian sympathy, meaning some of the southern and eastern Oblasts and end things there, at least it won't be such a painful occupation as it would be more concentrated, and you could find some locals who aren't random people off the street to manage villages and cities. If Putin decides to go for the whole or most of the pie, he'll be stuck in another Afghanistan except sharing a border with NATO where supplies would constantly fall into the hands of Insurrectionists.
Hence the quotes. I disagree with the premise Russia cares about infrastructure. They fucking built it, for starters, and what I have seen of the "infrastrukkkture" there, it isn't much that can't be replaced immediately. We didn't bomb the living fuck out of every enemy country we ever met wondering if the roads and power would still work. Multiply that by a thousand for Russia.
Because America can afford to repair that infrastructure and bombing goat hoarder huts does a lot less monetary damage than bombing a modern building or Khrushchyovka. Russia already has to worry about insurrectionists if they take over Ukraine, not helping repair the damage they did will just ensure the problem is even worse, but they can't afford to rebuild cities.
 
Hence the quotes. I disagree with the premise Russia cares about infrastructure. They fucking built it, for starters, and what I have seen of the "infrastrukkkture" there, it isn't much that can't be replaced immediately. We didn't bomb the living fuck out of every enemy country we ever met wondering if the roads and power would still work. Multiply that by a thousand for Russia.
Who do you think pays to fix it? The basketcase country you just smashed to bits? No. Russia does. The bill for all of this if they "win" will be entirely paid by them. Occupying a broken hostile nation lacking infrastructure and industry and resources is a drain strategically. Not an asset. We just got through 20 years of watching the US learn this lesson the hard way. Do you think Russia has some special tool in their arsenal that makes them immune to this shit? They don't. In fact these kind of issues were exactly why the USSR fucking collapsed. They couldn't economically keep their pact together. They couldn't afford the bills of operating it anymore.
 
The Russians have not even gained control of Kharkiv in over 3 weeks of battle and it boarders the Russians its a fucking stone throw away from it, how do I know? Coach Red Pill is still putting out videos and is not bombed to death yet lol. What the fuck is happening Russia Bros?
It is just utterly inconceivable that the Russians have not taken a city with a total area of 350 km2 (140 sq mi) and a pre-war population of 1,433,886 with a density of 4,500/km2 (12,000/sq mi) when fighting against a solidly 2nd Rate+ Army that has been trained and supplied by NATO in a contested airspace in 3 days. Oh wait it actually is not seeing as how it took well over 100,000 troops that had the full backing of an international military coalition with complete and utter air dominance 9 months to take Mosul (a city that is literally half the size geographically of Kharkiv) back from less than 15,000 ISIS Fighters equipped with standard Middle eastern Militia equipment.

You pro-ukraine smugposters are so annoying.
 
It is just utterly inconceivable that the Russians have not taken a city with a total area of 350 km2 (140 sq mi) and a pre-war population of 1,433,886 with a density of 4,500/km2 (12,000/sq mi) when fighting against a solidly 2nd Rate+ Army that has been trained and supplied by NATO in a contested airspace in 3 days. Oh wait it actually is not seeing as how it took well over 100,000 troops that had the full backing of an international military coalition with complete and utter air dominance 9 months to take Mosul (a city that is literally half the size geographically of Kharkiv) back from less than 15,000 ISIS Fighters equipped with standard Middle eastern Militia equipment.

You pro-ukraine smugposters are so annoying.
Careful, you're going to start making it sound like Russia wasn't prepared for this war in the slightest.
 
Who do you think pays to fix it? The basketcase country you just smashed to bits? No. Russia does. The bill for all of this if they "win" will be entirely paid by them. Occupying a broken hostile nation lacking infrastructure and industry and resources is a drain strategically. Not an asset. We just got through 20 years of watching the US learn this lesson the hard way. Do you think Russia has some special tool in their arsenal that makes them immune to this shit? They don't. In fact these kind of issues were exactly why the USSR fucking collapsed. They couldn't economically keep their pact together. They couldn't afford the bills of operating it anymore.
China would fix it, Russia is now a client state of China. Russians won somehow.
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It is just utterly inconceivable that the Russians have not taken a city with a total area of 350 km2 (140 sq mi) and a pre-war population of 1,433,886 with a density of 4,500/km2 (12,000/sq mi) when fighting against a solidly 2nd Rate+ Army that has been trained and supplied by NATO in a contested airspace in 3 days. Oh wait it actually is not seeing as how it took well over 100,000 troops that had the full backing of an international military coalition with complete and utter air dominance 9 months to take Mosul (a city that is literally half the size geographically of Kharkiv) back from less than 15,000 ISIS Fighters equipped with standard Middle eastern Militia equipment.

You pro-ukraine smugposters are so annoying.
Exactly. The modern city is practically today's version of a medieval castle or star fort. If the defenders want to hold their ground, the city could survive for weeks and weeks and bleed the attackers raw. There's just so many sites for ambushes that taking a city even remotely intact is extremely costly. You either need an insane amount of artillery or carpet bombing (i.e. crimes against humanity-tier) just to significantly reduce the city's value, but even then, buildings will have enough of a shell left that they can still function as ambush sites. You practically need WMDs to take a city in a quick time.

Sarajevo in the 90s and Aleppo in the 10s were extremely illustrative of just how difficult taking a city remains.
 
Exactly. The modern city is practically today's version of a medieval castle or star fort. If the defenders want to hold their ground, the city could survive for weeks and weeks and bleed the attackers raw. There's just so many sites for ambushes that taking a city even remotely intact is extremely costly. You either need an insane amount of artillery or carpet bombing (i.e. crimes against humanity-tier) just to significantly reduce the city's value, but even then, buildings will have enough of a shell left that they can still function as ambush sites. You practically need WMDs to take a city in a quick time.

Sarajevo in the 90s and Aleppo in the 10s were extremely illustrative of just how difficult taking a city remains.
So what you are saying is the Russians took a bad war and are getting their military and equipment destroyed for pennies on the dollar by western powers?
 
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