The Final Fantasy Thread

[CharcoalChkn]

I'm not able to play it myself so I just read spoilers. Is Nomura okay? The twist is way too coherent for someone like him.

For me, I felt the true ending kind of cheapened the tragic angle of the first. I saw it as a sign that Square won't write actual tragedies anymore after that.

I would love it if Matsuno would return to his roots and make another game like TO or FFT. That said, one thing I liked about 12 was that the villain isn't trying to take over or destroy the world.

They're fine if you try to view them as early era RPGs. I think they mostly suffer from pacing problems.

As far as I am aware he did not write this, just producer credits and of course character design.

Kinda miffed about the toned down character design, I really love his more whacky shit and monster designs.

So the sentiment seem to be that FF Origin is good? Or at least decent?

I'm having fun so far, combat is really entertaining. Story is fun in a ridiculous way.

Surprised how ugly it is though, Jack's model seems to be such a stark contrast in quality compared to everything else. (Jed looks HORRIBLE in some scenes)

 

[Michael Wade]

I'm not able to play it myself so I just read spoilers. Is Nomura okay? The twist is way too coherent for someone like him.

He's tired of (overtly) complicated and vanilla KH shit. And I know he's building up to something else with all this lore and various hints he's sprinkled in his interviews and public appearances

He's gonna make final fantasy GREAT AGAIN

As far as I am aware he did not write this, just producer credits and of course character design.

Technically Nomura doesn't write much at all if im understanding his role correctly. He has a lot of ideas, designs and sets the directing tone for what he wants. but he doesn't write the flavor text or establish how the individual sequences and writing is set up.

The man knows what he wants, he just has to rely on other people to convey his vision. That's kinda fucked his rep a little bit because we see his name front and center all the time and assume he does everything.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

I started playing 12 a few months ago, cuz that one is supposedly written by the Tactics Ogre guy and that's probably my favorite storyline in a jrpg type game ever, but I couldn't get into it, at least not right away though I think I'm less than 2 hours in. I know sometimes these games take a little while before they get going, but all I'm seeing so far is a weird, shirtless kid protagonist, weird monster things living in cities right next to normal people, and an intro that I don't really know what it had to do with anything I'm doing right now (hunting monster bounties?) with the shirtless kid. I haven't picked it up again in months and I'm really feeling no incentive to do so now. These games just don't hook you like they used to.

It has the magical Matsuno touch where it turns out all the political intrigue was, actually, monsters.

The plotting is really slow paced though. It takes off about midway through when you go to Archades

 

[The handsome tard]

Why do people hate FF 4 The After Years?

No, really, Im legit asking since I have never experienced it besides some of the songs and bosses.

 

[JektheDumbass]

Why do people hate FF 4 The After Years?

No, really, Im legit asking since I have never experienced it besides some of the songs and bosses.

There's some major storyshitting in the last dungeon implying the villain has killed everyone in every other final fantasy game. If you played the 3d version that part was cut.

 

[The handsome tard]

There's some major storyshitting in the last dungeon implying the villain has killed everyone in every other final fantasy game. If you played the 3d version that part was cut.

Wow, Im actually kind of intrigued. Does anyone have a screenshot of that?

Also why is that so bad? I mean, does it say literally that or its just something you can interpretate that way?

And thats the only reason?

 

[JektheDumbass]

Wow, Im actually kind of intrigued. Does anyone have a screenshot of that?

Also why is that so bad? I mean, does it say literally that or its just something you can interpretate that way?

And thats the only reason?

https://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-IV-The-After-Years/Update%2080/

Spoilers of course. There are smaller bits of bullshit though. Like the fact that in Yang's tale you're in a sailboat that runs out of fuel so you have to find more. The fact that most characters are idiots for no adequately described reason (said let's player theorized that the less clothed an adult female is the more intelligence they lost). And the fact they made a blue mage, couldn't get blue magic to work in the game engine, just left the character in with no blue magic, pissed on it, then named her Harley.

 

[The handsome tard]

https://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-IV-The-After-Years/Update%2080/

Spoilers of course. There are smaller bits of bullshit though. Like the fact that in Yang's tale you're in a sailboat that runs out of fuel so you have to find more. The fact that most characters are idiots for no adequately described reason (said let's player theorized that the less clothed an adult female is the more intelligence they lost). And the fact they made a blue mage, couldn't get blue magic to work in the game engine, just left the character in with no blue magic, pissed on it, then named her Harley.

I "read" the lets play (that made me feel old) and I didnt see what you mean. At most they just kind of lazily re-use enemies from FF1,3 and 5 because they couldnt come up with original stuff. Idk how that implies the villain killed everyone in every other FF game's universe (maybe I missed something).

Feels more lazy than anything else.

Also, how can you not make blue mage magic work in an engine built around RPGs? I know blue magic is rather circunstantial but I wouldnt want it shit on like that either. You think they would try to fix that in different ports. If you are gonna butcher a character that badly, just remove her altogether then.

Also I have seen some of the writing and...yeah, I can see the dialogue feels a tad...fanfiction-y? But its the type of one where they started with an idea but havent fleshed out enough so they decided to keep going with bare bones dialogue that have intesting setups but dont go anywhere and have the characters just kind of nodding to themselves and sometime stating stuff that they (and the player) already should know.

I did enjoy Cecil's son and Kain having a mentor/pupil type relationship tho, Dragon Ball Z kind of made me sucker for the "son of the hero being trained by the villain turned/turning good and comes to care for him like his own son" setup.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Why do people hate FF 4 The After Years?

No, really, Im legit asking since I have never experienced it besides some of the songs and bosses.

Played it again recently. Main complaint is it indeed feels like fan fiction, and the episodic structure hurts the pacing and makes everything feel disjointed. I think it's pretty good, though obviously not perfect by any means.

To be fair, most games intended to have a conclusive ending will feel that way to some degree.

 

[The handsome tard]

Played it again recently. Main complaint is it indeed feels like fan fiction, and the episodic structure hurts the pacing and makes everything feel disjointed. I think it's pretty good, though obviously not perfect by any means.

To be fair, most games intended to have a conclusive ending will feel that way to some degree.

Almost all FFs are pretty conclusive, there are no hooks for sequels or anything. Its not impossible to make a sequel out of them but its preferable if its kept well enough alone. Which is why I dont want a FF 6 sequel where they bring magic back or something because that would take away a lot from the original's finale and there is no way the new villain could ever compare to Kefka.

FF is meant to be an anthology ultimately, so each tale solves all its character arcs so forcing more out of them feels like you'd get the FF equivalent of a disney sequel. A story that forces characters to either having to learn the same lessons as before or/and their children gotta learn the same lesson as their parents...to the point must wonder whats the point, you have seen this story already.

 

[JektheDumbass]

I played the remake made in the Ff4 DS engine which didn't have the retro bosses. The battle engine did make slow bruisers like Luca and Gekou less dogshit (although nothing could fix Cid). It also made keeping certain characters easier (although the dolls are still kind of useless end game. I didn't grind for their ultimate equipment though, maybe that makes them worthwhile).

 

[Psyduck]

So the sentiment seem to be that FF Origin is good? Or at least decent?

Still playing the demo, but im finding myself enjoying it more as i go on

Biggest downside i see so far is that besides Jack, the cast is just... Underwhelming. Jed is Prompto-lite, only stands out cause of that awful pink hair, Ash is just there, bland gentle giant. Neon is generic anime female#1 and i don't know if we get the fourth chick on this demo, so i cant speak on her

I also think i can see a plot twist coming up... But i'm not sure if it's this intentionally obvious or not: It's shaping up to be that Jack becomes Garland at one point, some artwork seems to reflect that, his main weapon is also a Greatsword, he is obsessed with Chaos... And the fact that there's a fifth member in a group known as the 'Four Warriors of Light'

Kinda dig that angle though

 

[The handsome tard]

Still playing the demo, but im finding myself enjoying it more as i go on

Biggest downside i see so far is that besides Jack, the cast is just... Underwhelming. Jed is Prompto-lite, only stands out cause of that awful pink hair, Ash is just there, bland gentle giant. Neon is generic anime female#1 and i don't know if we get the fourth chick on this demo, so i cant speak on her

I also think i can see a plot twist coming up... But i'm not sure if it's this intentionally obvious or not: It's shaping up to be that Jack becomes Garland at one point, some artwork seems to reflect that, his main weapon is also a Greatsword, he is obsessed with Chaos... And the fact that there's a fifth member in a group known as the 'Four Warriors of Light'

Kinda dig that angle though

To be honest, having Jack turning into Garland feels fitting with how obnoxious and Chaos obsessed he is.

The game kind of feels like Square wanting to cash him on the Souls like trend from what I have seen it.

But Im not sure if this game is suppose to be some alternative interpretation of FF1 or if this is meant to be actually canon to FF1 and thus the rest of the series. Its so difficult attach something made today with something made to run on the freaking NES of all things, there is just this lack compatibility in terms of tone, style and even design.

 

[Michael Wade]

Biggest downside i see so far is that besides Jack, the cast is just... Underwhelming. Jed is Prompto-lite, only stands out cause of that awful pink hair, Ash is just there, bland gentle giant. Neon is generic anime female#1 and i don't know if we get the fourth chick on this demo, so i cant speak on her

It's intentional for plot reasons, but yeah so far the most interesting party members are Neon and Sophia.

Mostly because the lady's have nice charisma
and remember a bit more about their past's then the dudes. Ash is starting to get more interesting, but Jed is only notable so far because he's the optimist of the group.

I also think i can see a plot twist coming up... But i'm not sure if it's this intentionally obvious or not: It's shaping up to be that Jack becomes Garland at one point, some artwork seems to reflect that, his main weapon is also a Greatsword, he is obsessed with Chaos... And the fact that there's a fifth member in a group known as the 'Four Warriors of Light'

Kinda dig that angle though

It's interesting because they were hoping to keep us in the dark about that, but I guess Nomura just said fuck it and had one of the trailers outright say he's

Spoiler

Jack Garland

I hear its a pretty late game twist too, but there's still enough mystery in how and why things are happening that I can see why they revealed that to get people interested.

But Im not sure if this game is suppose to be some alternative interpretation of FF1 or if this is meant to be actually canon to FF1 and thus the rest of the series. Its so difficult attach something made today with something made to run on the freaking NES of all things, there is just this lack compatibility in terms of tone, style and even design.

It' probably going to be made canon or supersede the original's story. Although to be fair, the original didn't really have much of a plot beyond garland's time travel plan.

But yeah they are pushing the multiverse angle pretty hard, it's to the point that they state

Spoiler

The world of FF1 is an artificial creation by an advanced race

There's no overt crossover's of other characters (that I know of yet) But the dungeons are outright copy's of other FF game worlds for the purposes of research and the occasional giggle.

The stuff they have to say for the dungeons of 13 and 15's loading screens are fascinating.

 

[Soycast Guy]

I’ve been trying to figure out the classes of each of these

Lady on the right looks like a red mage, lady on the left looks like a white mage, and the guy next to WoL looks like a monk. What do you think about this?

 

[Cisna H. Scumale]

Why do people hate FF 4 The After Years?

No, really, Im legit asking since I have never experienced it besides some of the songs and bosses.

After years is shovelware that is 80% rehash of plot events from FFIV and the rest is fanservice of a then 20 year old game that is known for having hack-kneed writing that was only considered good because everything else was just as bad back then.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Is FFX good? It and X2 are on sale right now on Steam. I nearly bought it this morning but then I remembered I have about 4 other jrpgs that are unplayed and about 3 in varying states of early play. I may get it anyway, but I need a little outside inspiration.

I'd make a case that FFX is the last "good" FF game though it's got some major flaws to it and the story is such that it could have used a couple of addition drafts to refine it and make the themes more explicit (since it's got some decent ideas even if it's buried under a ton of garbage that distract from it as far as how they deal with the Godzilla rip-off Sin).

Also, if we can't get the pixel remasters on Switch, can we at least get a compilation of the Advance games for 1-6 on Switch?

 

[Michael Wade]

I’ve been trying to figure out the classes of each of theseView attachment 3101222
Lady on the right looks like a red mage, lady on the left looks like a white mage, and the guy next to WoL looks like a monk. What do you think about this?

Wait....

Spoiler

You Dont fight the OG Warrior of light? Maybe the DLC is all about him... I saw him from behind in some artwork.

 

[Soycast Guy]

Wait....

Spoiler

You Dont fight the OG Warrior of light? Maybe the DLC is all about him... I saw him from behind in some artwork.

Yeah, the final boss is “Darkness Manifest” or chaos or some shit. The DLC will likely focus on the warriors of light we all know. The 3rd dlc being titled “different future” seems like a dead giveaway.

 

[The handsome tard]

It's interesting because they were hoping to keep us in the dark about that, but I guess Nomura just said fuck it and had one of the trailers outright say he's

Spoiler

Jack Garland

I hear its a pretty late game twist too, but there's still enough mystery in how and why things are happening that I can see why they revealed that to get people interested.

As a Castlevania fan, the twist that we are playing as the well established villain is one Im very used to it after Lords of Shadow. Like, surprise! Gabriel turns out to be Dracula all along! Now wait for years until we crap out a meh sequel. And that reveal only came if you had the DLC.

I honestly hope we do something with this twist instead of nothing like in Lords of Shadow. Maybe fight the four warriors of light except we are now controlling Garland/Chaos? We know you are to canonically lose but maybe you can win and achieve some messed up alternative timeline.