Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Adolphin]

It's Russian/Soviet doctrine to keep the most advanced equipment in reserve to defend against the most likely NATO invasion routes. That's why there were no T-72s in Afghanistan.
The appearance of many T-90s would be a sign that the war is going fairly badly and Putin has to commit more than he wanted. Like a hockey team pulling the goalie in the last minutes of the game.

Look what I posted earlier. Afghanistan was a rather minor conflict for the USSR. There was no reason to use first-rate tanks against Mujahideen militants anyway. Despite that, the Soviets developed the "Drozd" APS to protect their armour from anti-tank projectiles. However, this war has demanded the commitment of the vast majority of the Russian military and from photographic evidence we have seen T-90As, the recently modernised T-80BVMs (which is suposed to be arctic warfare variant of the T-80), T-80Us, Tungushkas and Pantsir SPAAGs. All those belong in first-rate Russian formations and not in cannon fodder reserve ones.

Funnily, "ancient" T-72As & Bs have been sighted (and destroyed) in the Sumy direction, which shows that those formations are sacrificial ones with the intention to tie down the Ukrainians.

I just thought the T-14 hasn't started regular, serial production yet, just prototypes. It appears to be somewhat delayed. There might be one used for media posing, like with Kadyrov's toy soldiers and jannies.

It is a propaganda tank, constantly plagued by scaling issues to mass production. Honestly, not a bad platform, a rather good one I would say with many innovative characteristics, but Russia lacks the financial and industrial capability to seriously mass produce it.

 

[Eklvlen]

A bit unrelated, but are there any actual T-90s used in this conflict? I haven't seen them so far, but maybe I missed something.

atleast 16 have been destroyed/captured according to oryx

 

[Elbereth]

Russian stock market wont open tomorrow and likely never in that form. However after closing last McDonalds some more enterprising Russians find wares more proffitable than any security on Russian stock exchange!

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Russian stock market wont open tomorrow and likely never in that form. However after closing last McDonalds some more enterprising Russians find wares more proffitable than any security on Russian stock exchange!
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They're not even price gouging that bad. I'm shocked.

 

[Mussi]

After the Holodomor, when the Nazis showed up in 1940 you would have collaborated against the soviets too.

Well, you're not wrong about that one. The OUN worked with the Nazis until it became obvious that Nazis were only a little bit preferable to the Soviets and then they fought against the Axis despite being a fascist organization. One of the tragedies of being an indefensible middle power between great powers.

 

[Mussi]

Partisans, maybe. Or their still being trained conscript army?

I don't think they're even training the conscripts, they went full Volkstrum with them for no reason.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Okay bro, keep swallowing the CIA propaganda. It was absolutely necessary for the West to make an evil country (the Soviet Union) out to be the literal spawn of hell itself in the early phase of the Cold War to minimize the cognitive dissonance after we spent 5 years praising them and funding them as an ally against Germany and Japan. It's no different than the Black Legend aimed at the Spanish in the 16th-17th centuries which exaggerated the evils committed by Spain, their Inquisition, etc., only some of which were true.

All of this is documented. Where are the missing Ukrainians? Why did Ukrainians like Kulik and Timoshenko fill the highest ranks of the Red Army in the 30s and 40s? Why did a Ukrainian like Khrushchev come to power after Stalin? Ergo, it was not a "genocide" against Ukrainians, but merely Ukraine receiving the same treatment the rest of the USSR did.

The Holodomor was in the 1920's. It was well documented before the cold war was even an ongoing concern. And it was a bit more malicious then "incompetence". There is misallocating resources, and then there is running pogroms on people who are mildly productive, and shooting anyone who dared keep enough food to feed their children instead of handing it all over to the State for mismanagement.

 

[Beef Elemental]

Imagine waking up to this unwanted guest in your kitchen:
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Those evil Russians, how could they be so cruel! Wait a minute...

Hmmm....computer, enhance!

Yup, seems legit.

 

[lol you sukc]

Russian stock market wont open tomorrow and likely never in that form. However after closing last McDonalds some more enterprising Russians find wares more proffitable than any security on Russian stock exchange!
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Normally, I'd laugh but images of the great toilet paper hysteria that gripped the western world are still fresh in my mind.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Russian stock market wont open tomorrow and likely never in that form. However after closing last McDonalds some more enterprising Russians find wares more proffitable than any security on Russian stock exchange!
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Wait, Russian McDonalds sells fried shrimp? Fucking McD's has been holding out on us Americans!

 

[mr.moon1488]

They're not even price gouging that bad. I'm shocked.

The smart ones are waiting for western consoomers.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Well, you're not wrong about that one. The OUN worked with the Nazis until it became obvious that Nazis were only a little bit preferable to the Soviets and then they fought against the Axis despite being a fascist organization. One of the tragedies of being an indefensible middle power between great powers.

It was that way for most of Eastern Europe. Talk about a shit choice, no matter which way you went, you were liable to get gobbled up.

 

[Jump]

Caltrops? There must be redditors near!

 

[Duke Nukem]

Huh, I guess they never embraced the western approach to allowing their infantry to potentially also be tank killers. IIRC the Soviets didn't really develop a rocket-propelled AT weapon for their infantry till like the 50s.

Also, apparently there are still PTRD AT rifles being used by the Donbas militia, of World War 2 vintage no less too. Madlads.

Honestly I can see those being used in an anti-materiel role, against actual tanks they became obsolete fast, but they do a number on infantry and equipment.

 

[Corpun]

figured you would enjoy this...Corinne Forever is in DC and here are a bunch of 'liberals' advocating for War with Russia

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Blue anon shit libs still want that war


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We are going to walk into nuclear war because of these retards aren't we? Armageddon is fine I guess so long as trannies are protected in some shithole country in Europe I guess!

Dunno, he is good at the whole beleagured hero act. I half-expect him to finally meet Putin at the signing of the peace treaty only to bite on a US-provided fake tooth and fill the room with poison gas, killing himself and the entire Russian government in one fell swoop.

He is too cowardly to do that. People like Zelensky crave attention and the world looking at them.

Calling Zelensky a globalist is harmful to Jews


Jew making references to the Holocaust upsets Jew in Israel

I'm not sure who is jewing who anymore.

Somebody should probably tell them that the current political regime of Ukraine is building monuments to Third Reich Colarabotinists, of all people. It's so retarded that I can't even wrap my head around it. If Urkanians wanted a truly sovereign and tots valid national figure, they could use Nestor Makhno. He was fighting Russian communists and monarchists and was that rare breed of anarchist that was actually cool.
All that shows that liberals are going to suck devils' cock at the moment it becomes even slightly profitable.
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Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych

So when this gets shelled by Russians how will the media respond? Ignore this guy was a Nazi collaborator who murdered Pole peasants?

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Honestly I can see those being used in an anti-materiel role, against actual tanks they became obsolete fast, but they do a number on infantry and equipment.

Obsolete doesn't mean it won't kill you. Musket may be obsolete, but it'll still blow your head off. Bet a round from that beast to an engine block would be a pretty effective way to stop it too.

 

[White_N]

'just a matter of will' you are so laughably retarded im not even sure if this is a troll account or not lol
they didn't because they, like all other soviet subjects, were under the boot of stalinism, which was extraordinarily effective at suppressing any potential dissent. that was, after all, the main reason for all the purges and oppression in the first place. same reason why the ukrainians and baltics didn't revolt before the germans arrived either: because against a totalitarian state, revolt simply is not possible. only after the germans removed the soviets from the area was it even possible for anyone in these places to take any serious steps towards fighting the reds.


the word is literally just the combination of the ukrainian words for "hunger" and "death" you mongoloid
the ignorance is honestly astonishing with some of the people in here

You are either ignorant or dishonest.

First of all, yes, it is a matter of will.
Have you heard of the Bolsheviks? You know, the guys who did everything in their power to diminish all the war effort of imperial Russia in WW1 and ultimately succeeded? Imperial Russia was a place with secret police and authorities for ethnic cleansing. Likewise, Kazakhs find themselves at the back of the war effort with all factories brought there from the western borders of the union. In the same way, they could harm the Soviet military in order to weaken it and spark a revolution. It didn't happen.

Furthermore, you talk like all of the population of the union was desperate to fight against Soviet oppression, which is only partially true as ordinary people don't like other people getting killed because of some idea of sovereign nation.

Andrey of Galicia, Metropolitan : Ukrainian terrorists, who are safely sitting outside the borders of the region, use our children to kill their parents, while they themselves, in the halo of heroes, rejoice in such a profitable life of "crimes."

Was this priest also part of Soviet oppression?

I don't know what you go after and quite frankly dont care.

 

[Bill The Fucker]

Russian stock market wont open tomorrow and likely never in that form

Source? Everything i've read says they're opening back up tomorrow.

 

[Reddit Gold]

Source? Everything i've read says they're opening back up tomorrow.

@Elbereth is Polish just trust him.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

I don't think they're even training the conscripts, they went full Volkstrum with them for no reason.

I don't think that's entirely widespread. That was primarily reported in Kiev, possibly some of the other frontline cities, and for Kiev in particular, they've had a good 3 weeks now to at least try and train them. Things have slowed down considerably from the first week, and (assuming that the leadership are not utterly exceptional, as always), they're going to be shifting from that improvised defense mindset to actually getting their shit together.