Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[White_N]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtNyT7ljPz8

The nascent Russian Federation under Yeltsin actually almost lost control to the last vestiges of the USSR in 1993. Took it just 2 years to have a crisis.

Many Soviets fantasize about the day when a white house will be destroyed; perhaps they should have specified that it was a white house in the United States.

"Knight of the white house"

 

[Psychotron]

One takeaway from this war, a tank having a decent, semi-modern Active Protection System is an outright requirement at this point if facing a country with decent AT munitions. Russia is still using APS from the 80s or early 90s for their vehicles. There was supposed to be a new one included with the T-14 (also known as the Vaporware Tank), but it's likely a major reason why Russian tank losses have been so staggeringly high, their APS systems on their tanks are older than the crew that mans them most the time.

Or a slower doctrine of never exposing your tanks to where infantry hasn't cleared.

An APS is something you could theoretically retrofit your fleet to have; but I don't really think the Russians are in a position to do this.

 

[murph]

I take it there are no serious negotiations on the table yet. Are there any online bookies taking bets on how this shitshow ends?

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Or a slower doctrine of never exposing your tanks to where infantry hasn't cleared.

An APS is something you could theoretically retrofit your fleet to have; but I don't really think the Russians are in a position to do this.

It would be easier to do than some of the weird shit they have spent money on, like that nuclear powered rocket.

 

[Scale Smerch]

never even had the opportunity cause germans never made it anywhere near kazakhstan

Will nitpick this as the Germans technically did get within sight of Kazakhstan. A recon detachment managed to get within visual range of Astrakhan before falling back thanks to drastically overextending. More or less Moscow repeated, reach exceeded grasp, Hitler stupid, etc.

More on topic good old Vox Day, for all his insane ramblings, did bring up an interesting point. A lot of what we know from eastern Ukraine right now suggests the forces involved are only militia and reserve Russian troops. At least in the Donbas there's nothing tangible to confirm Russia has thrown its actual might into any attack and is instead relying on chaff to soak up ammunition and gauge the level of resistance.

Considering the utter lack of evidence on the Russian side right now it's as good as reading as any and does line up with the fact Russia seems to be doing fuck all to actually attack and push with any degree of effort. If (or when) Russia does will tell the tale because there's a significant amount of forces they can yet throw at this invasion they haven't yet. It's largely down to whether Putin thinks Russia's new pariah status is temporary or permanent - and if you're Ukraine best hope it's the former.

 

[PFM]

Don't know if this has been posted yet but twitter thread with a bunch of examples of people being tied up and beaten.

https://nitter.net/Youblacksoul/status/1505313806758682628

 

[Wy4M]

I take it there are no serious negotiations on the table yet. Are there any online bookies taking bets on how this shitshow ends?

In the end Russia will win but it will take a couple of weeks, months or longer.
US/NATO will not interfere directly but they will influence as much as they can.
They will also learn a lot about how Russia planned and handled all of this.; might come in handy for future projects.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

It would be easier to do than some of the weird shit they have spent money on, like that nuclear powered rocket.

The US actually tried to make a nuclear powered rocket, difference is this was in the 50s and the project was scrapped after ICBMs made them basically obsolete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low_Altitude_Missile

 

[Reddit Gold]

In the end Russia will win but it will take a couple of weeks, months or longer.
US/NATO will not interfere directly but they will influence as much as they can.
They will also learn a lot about how Russia planned and handled all of this.; might come in handy for future projects.

I'd say it's kind of evened out by the fact that Russia will have their first direct experience of modern combat, not to mention it fighting against a force reliant on Western prep, weaponry and intelligence.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Viva and Barnes are simping for coach red pill atm

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

The US actually tried to make a nuclear powered rocket, difference is this was in the 50s and the project was scrapped after ICBMs made them basically obsolete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low_Altitude_Missile

Yeah, they had projects like that back then as well, the only difference is they're doing it currently. Pretty sure the tech just still isn't there for it to really be feasible.

 

[Retired Junta Member]

Idk if it was posted yet because the thread has become a mess but apparently the Russians told the fighters in Mariupol to surrender before 5AM local time, after that remaining forces will be regarded as bandits.

Source: not Trust me bro but almost. Mariupol has been on the verge of surrender for like a week so who knows.

 

[Wy4M]

I'd say it's kind of evened out by the fact that Russia will have their first direct experience of modern combat, not to mention it fighting against a force reliant on Western prep, weaponry and intelligence. Like a surrogate for NATO itself.

Yeah, also MSM wants us to believe that Russia is isolated and hardly hasn't any allies but I'm not so sure about that.
China, Iran, Lebanon, North-Korea and Syria know that they will be next if Russia loses this so most likely they already fully support Russia.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Yeah, also MSM wants us to believe that Russia is isolated and hardly hasn't any allies but I'm not so sure about that.
China, Iran, Lebanon, North-Korea and Syria know that they will be next if Russia loses this so most likely they already fully support Russia.

I mean China is the only one of those countries whose support even matters big picture. Those other 4 pretty much have nothing to offer Russia, except for a naval base in the case of Syria, and maybe trade for rare earth elements with the norks.

 

[redeyejedi]

Lots of fires too... looks like Satan's bathtub (link)

"Perhaps the mall building was used by the Ukrainian army as a warehouse for artillery ammunition.
A cartridge case from a self-propelled gun 2S7 "Peony" was found on the spot"

Questionable source (Link), but the explosion and subsequent raging fires seem a bit odd for just a mall

 

[Fools Idol]

Except this rogue state isnt a shithole like notkorea and has more nukes than all of nato combined

Nuclear stockpile numbers only tell half the story. The number of active warheads is much smaller and the percentage of those that will be used in either a first or second strike is smaller even still.

In terms of absorbing a nuclear attack and then retaliating the US is probably in a far better position than Russia.

 

[doesnotglow]

Very interesting correlations. People who believe things on TV believe things on TV and people who don't don't.

 

[Mr Bunny]

I mean China is the only one of those countries whose support even matters big picture. Those other 4 pretty much have nothing to offer Russia, except for a naval base in the case of Syria, and maybe trade for rare earth elements with the norks.

They can also fuck with our allies tho, South Korea can get scorched by nork artillery and if Iran even got nukes the balance of power in the middle east switches dramatically. It may even make the Saudi side with China becuase China looks like it's the ones in more control of Iran than the US.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Don't know if this has been posted yet but twitter thread with a bunch of examples of people being tied up and beaten.

https://nitter.net/Youblacksoul/status/1505313806758682628

Those videos are really fucked up, especially the one with a Dad and his kid tied up. Azov and the other nazi larpers are the scum of the earth, I hope each one gets skull fucked to death by a Chechen.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Nuclear stockpile numbers only tell half the story. The number of active warheads is much smaller and the percentage of those that will be used in either a first or second strike is smaller even still.

In terms of absorbing a nuclear attack and then retaliating the US is probably in a far better position than Russia.

Maybe, I have my doubts the US kept up on civil defense preparation much better than the Russians post Cold War. Guess if it comes down to it, we'll find out if all that investment in iron dome paid off in terms of missile defense.