US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[God of Nothing]

I feel a lot of the safer places like New Zealand were already scouted out by the elites and secured for their own needs - islands are going to be locked down harder than Greenland in Plague Inc. 2.

Foolish islander, my mindworms make people build jets specifically to fly into your shitty island.

realtalk, the elites will be fucked before they could ever get to those isles because they're retarded and short-sighted to just live there all the time

 

[tehpope]

Who knows, an equal number of retards are heralding that this is the true end of oil and US will be the only nation with this super special green power that runs cars.

Doomers gotta doom.

Touch some grass niggas.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

I feel a lot of the safer places like New Zealand were already scouted out by the elites and secured for their own needs - islands are going to be locked down harder than Greenland in Plague Inc. 2.

Hol up hol up? There's a Plague Inc. 2?

 

[Marissa Moira]

I feel a lot of the safer places like New Zealand were already scouted out by the elites and secured for their own needs - islands are going to be locked down harder than Greenland in Plague Inc. 2.

Islands are the worst places to hide out on. If something fucks up you can't move in large equipment easily under normal circumstances let alone one during an apocalyptic scenario, not only that medial emergencies require full fledged facilities and unless you're building your own hospital with it's own staff who are also trained with state of the art equipment and who are fine with just sitting around all day with nothing to do, nobody is going to hide out on an island because it's very inconvenient.

 

[pwnest injun]

Islands are the worst places to hide out on. If something fucks up you can't move in large equipment easily under normal circumstances let alone one during an apocalyptic scenario, not only that medial emergencies require full fledged facilities and unless you're building your own hospital with it's own staff who are also trained with state of the art equipment and who are fine with just sitting around all day with nothing to do, nobody is going to hide out on an island because it's very inconvenient.

A billion dollars is one thousand million dollars.

 

[NJBear]

 

[Marissa Moira]

A billion dollars is one thousand million dollars.

Think about what would be needed for a self sustaining island, at that point if you want to entirely shun the outside world, you're creating something that would be closer to a factory town. It would be cheaper and far more beneficial to move into an area where amenities already exist. If you want your private home to be secluded building a wall is still cheaper.

 

[b0x]

Lotta retards been cheering Putin for being some kind of prime anti-globo crusader after invading a west-allied country, bombing school and hospitals, and arresting anybody who says two words. All the while Klaus Schwab thinks of Putin as a great ally.
Shit's crazy.

According to their actions, Schwab doesn't like Putin any more. Putin was removed from the WEF website.

 

[pwnest injun]

Think about what would be needed for a self sustaining island, at that point if you want to entirely shun the outside world, you're creating something that would be closer to a factory town. It would be cheaper and far more beneficial to move into an area where amenities already exist. If you want your private home to be secluded building a wall is still cheaper.

New Zealand is already littered with end times bunkers with full medical facilities, indoor hydroponics farms, desalinization, so much. It's expensive, but the people who are driving this rocket into the ground know what comes next and they're ready to Noah's Ark it into inheriting the Earth. They've thought about it a lot.

 

[Gehenna]

New Zealand is already littered with end times bunkers with full medical facilities, indoor hydroponics farms, desalinization, so much. It's expensive, but the people who are driving this rocket into the ground know what comes next and they're ready to Noah's Ark it into inheriting the Earth. They've thought about it a lot.

Really, most of Oceanasia is fine without a bunch of bunkers. It's largely capable of being self sufficient, albeit with that capability unrealized.


But they are outside any likely wars, lack any strategic or tactical reasons to fuck with, and aren't constantly teetering on the brink.

 

[Marissa Moira]

New Zealand is already littered with end times bunkers with full medical facilities, indoor hydroponics farms, desalinization, so much. It's expensive, but the people who are driving this rocket into the ground know what comes next and they're ready to Noah's Ark it into inheriting the Earth. They've thought about it a lot.

Facilities need staff to run them. You can have all the supplies in the world, but you cannot perform brain surgery on yourself.

 

[Ow The Edge]

New Zealand is already littered with end times bunkers with full medical facilities, indoor hydroponics farms, desalinization, so much. It's expensive, but the people who are driving this rocket into the ground know what comes next and they're ready to Noah's Ark it into inheriting the Earth. They've thought about it a lot.

If they had then why would they being both encouraging the third world to breed unsustainably and importing it en mas? it's not as though just maintaining a sane border policy and keeping the demographics that built their wealth around would have been that difficult. No need to hide in a bunker if you just keep things sustainable in the first place.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Facilities need staff to run them. You can have all the supplies in the world, but you cannot perform brain surgery on yourself.

Everyone has a price and they've got the money to buy out weaker men's souls.

If they had then why would they being both encouraging the third world to breed unsustainably and importing it en mas? it's not as though just maintaining a sane border policy and keeping the demographics that built their wealth around would have been that difficult. No need to hide in a bunker if you just keep things sustainable in the first place.

Look at the nations where the third world are being blocked out of - New Zealand's one of the biggest ones locking them out that are vaguely european. They gave up on Europe and the Americas, but Oceania? That's far away enough for the elites to feel safe.

Their only problem is that they'll never be content sharing, one of them will have to rise to the top.

 

[Gehenna]

If they had then why would they being both encouraging the third world to breed unsustainably and importing it en mas? it's not as though just maintaining a sane border policy and keeping the demographics that built their wealth around would have been that difficult. No need to hide in a bunker if you just keep things sustainable in the first place.

I think the general view here is a deliberate short term gain at the cost of long term sustainability, which will see them rise from the ashes as kings.


I don't generally agree with this view, but can see how they came to their conclusions.

Personally, I think tales of bunkers are.... not false. But exaggerated. That current trends are better explained not by deliberate, planned malfience but instead by reckless pursuit of short-term gains at any cost.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Think about what would be needed for a self sustaining island, at that point if you want to entirely shun the outside world, you're creating something that would be closer to a factory town. It would be cheaper and far more beneficial to move into an area where amenities already exist. If you want your private home to be secluded building a wall is still cheaper.

I believe even now in a normal globalized economy, most islands tend to be net importers in order to have the same modernized life we enjoy on the bigger continental landmasses. Island tax is a real thing after all. A bag of Lays chips on some West Indies island is gonna be more than the same bag of chip found in a Texan Walmart.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Everyone has a price and they've got the money to buy out weaker men's souls.

If everything has gone to shit, what good will money be in the first place? These people would essentially have no place to spend their earnings if they were locked on this hypothetical island. Amazon is not exactly going to still be making 3 day deliveries.

You have to offer something practical other than currency.

I believe even now in a normal globalized economy, most islands tend to be net importers in order to have the same modernized life we enjoy on the bigger continental landmasses. Island tax is a real thing after all. A bag of Lays chips on some West Indies island is gonna be more than the same bag of chip found in a Texan Walmart.

Yes Islands always need to import shit from somewhere else, and land is way more finite so you would need everything on a single island which would need to be the size of a small town in order for this to function. You need to take care of your own power generation, your water treatment, everything.

 

[AnotherPleb]

I believe even now in a normal globalized economy, most islands tend to be net importers in order to have the same modernized life we enjoy on the bigger continental landmasses. Island tax is a real thing after all. A bag of Lays chips on some West Indies island is gonna be more than the same bag of chip found in a Texan Walmart.

They honestly believe money is something that the plebs have to deal with, and they don't plan on a world without guaranteed global shipping, That latter point? That's where they've gravely fucked up; growing up in a world where they never had to worry about something across the planet getting to them makes them think it will always be like that.

If everything has gone to shit, what good will money be in the first place? These people would essentially have no place to spend their earnings if they were locked on this hypothetical island. Amazon is not exactly going to still be making 3 day deliveries.

You have to offer something practical other than currency.

I'm telling you their mentality, and they really did not plan for long term shipping shutdowns like what you'd have in an Information Age collapse. The Greek world didn't plan for the massive backslide that would happen after the Bronze Age collapse, and it took them generations to get close to recovering. I don't think the world would be able to regain the standards that they had before an Information Age collapse.

 

[pwnest injun]

Facilities need staff to run them. You can have all the supplies in the world, but you cannot perform brain surgery on yourself.

They have private doctors. They also have private security and staff to run all this stuff when they blow the whistle and bunker down. All of those people are on retainer now, and get to survive what comes along with the boss. Here's some second hand insight on the situation.

 

[Marissa Moira]

They have private doctors. They also have private security and staff to run all this stuff when they blow the whistle and bunker down. All of those people are on retainer now, and get to survive what comes along with the boss. Here's some second hand insight on the situation.
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Ok but this doesn't answer how they intended to do it, it just poses a question but with no answer.

They will literally run into the same problems ships did with mutiny because it's the same conditions. You have a hierarchy and finite resources and a bunch of people with different skill sets that each make the crew work and are all important. If the captain is shit why should people continue to follow him?

 

[pwnest injun]

Well, it's a book, so it keeps going after that.

edit: That said, the tl;dr is that Rushkoff told them to start treating their security like family rather than mercenaries and to do the sort of good works that would possibly avert the presumed apocalypse. The hedge fund managers sort of laughed at his naivety and then invented the ESG score program as a way to pretend to be doing good works so that they could claim that they weren't responsible for whatever takes down civilization, since they were good guys.