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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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India loved Trump and hated Biden. During the Trump years, they were American cheerleaders, and now under Biden, they're less likely to be fully cooperative.
It's not just Biden, it's the standard US government attitude towards China, Trump was a minority, everyone else didn't see China as a threat or was doing business with them.
 

Australia Boosts Aid to Ukraine; Whitehaven to Supply Coal​

  • Canberra will send defense material, humanitarian assistance
  • Australia is also banning exports of alumina to Russia

Australia is stepping up military and humanitarian aid for Ukraine to assist in its war against Russia, including 70,000 tonnes of thermal coal.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s government will offer an additional A$21 million ($15.6 million) of military support for Ukraine, including unspecified material from the Australian Defence Force’s stocks. It’s also pledging another A$30 million in humanitarian assistance, according to a government statement Sunday.

Australia and its allies have sought to exert pressure on Russian President Vladimir Putin to halt his war against Ukraine. As part of those efforts, Canberra is also imposing a ban on exports of alumina and aluminum ores to Russia, the government said.

Russia gets nearly 20% of its alumina supplies from Australia and the move will limit its ability to produce aluminum, a critical export, the statement added. The Morrison government had previously announced a series of measures targeting Russian banks, government entities, as well as the country’s oligarchs.

Whitehaven Coal Ltd. will supply the coal and arrange for its shipment to Ukraine without impacting existing contracts to other international partners, Morrison said at a press briefing Sunday. The government is working with the company and the Ukrainian and Polish governments to deliver the supplies that are needed before the end of May, the prime minister said.


The assistance will help keep the country’s coal-fired power generators operating and supplying electricity to its power grid.

“It’s our coal, we dug it up, we’ve arranged the ship, we’ve put it on the ship and we are sending it to Ukraine to help power up their resistance and to give encouragement,” Morrison said. “We understand that it can power up to about one million homes.”

The government will meet the cost of the coal and delivery.

The latest aid package for Ukraine joins a previous A$70 million in military commitments as well A$35 million of humanitarian support.
How exactly does Morison plan to get a boatload of coal to Ukraine? Did he somehow miss that step one of Putin's otherwise godawful planning was to cut off Ukraine's access to aid and supply by sea?
That might be the case, so you’re not wrong on that, but all the news on my end show that they’re treating Ukraine with a lot more aid than they need. Plus, I recently saw Zelensky say this about the Germans wanting to help them:





Even while seemingly winning the war, Zelensky looks like he’s biting off more than he can chew.

Zelensky seems like he's an NPC trying to hit all those special words and win. "This is totally 9/11 guys!. No? Didn't work? Well, it's just like WW2! HELP US NOW YOU DAMN BIGOTS! MORE MORE MORE! START A NUCLEAR WAR!...okay didn't work....ah...what else happened...Berlin wall? Yeah! That! This is just like the Berlin wall! NOW START THE FUCKING WAR ALREADY!"
Well he is a Professional Clown. So yes International Politics is in fact Clown World now for Realz.

While you get that he is desperate for help fighting off the big bad bear. He somehow misses that this type of amateur emotional blackmail will not endear him to those that are currently pouring billions in aid and arms in to support his nation.
 
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It's not just Biden, it's the standard US government attitude towards China, Trump was a minority, everyone else didn't see China as a threat or was doing business with them.
Biden's wishy-washy attitude with China and the controversy with Hunter probably pissed off the Indians who wanted more Trump era pressure on China. Which I can't blame them, if the CCP proved anything these last four years is that they're not trustworthy and incredibly sneaky. Not just to India, but just to the world in general, that NBA controversy from 2019 was a sneak peak to a world dominated by China.
 
So in the other thread I saw a lot of Putin dick-sucking and "WAH Ukrainians are shooting Russians who are invading them WAH."

Well, I've been visiting my boomer FOX News parents so I've seen a lot of the flip side of that today.

Oh no, civilian buildings are getting flattened by artillery? That's called fucking siege warfare, might look up Dresden or Hiroshima or Fallujah.

Oh no, civilians are getting killed? How many Iraqis died for every one Al-Qaeda or serviceman?

The icing on the cake was on FOX this one slimy motherfucker was talking about a building with a "CHILDREN" sign getting bombed and he's saying how the Russians don't care, and then suggesting they might even target it because of that. Because that's what people do, right? They just go around looking for little kids and puppies to shoot. Babies on bayonets in Belgium, babies being stolen from incubators in Kuwait (Nayirah testimony). Bullshit, bullshit spread by evil men to further their goals, deserves the fucking rope.





Oh, and one more thing: when you give Molotovs and rifles to every citizen you can, there are no "civilians," there's just soldiers and partisans.
 
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I can admire the man for staying and fighting and still criticize him for his flaws. And if anything, this war proved the globalists were right about Russia.


It's not like the Left's propaganda is wrong about Putin's Russia being a force for mischief. I mean, when the Nazis speak of how Communism is evil, they're stating a basic fact that many of their western enemies in France, England, and America would agree with. And the thing is, the truth about Putin's Russia paints them as more evil and incompetent than even the Left could possibly do. The Left sees in Putin a Russian Sauron, with his empire as the new Third Reich, whereas the truth reveals that he's just a Commie boomer from the USSR days leading a paper-tiger nation, with an army full of poorly-trained gopniks who get raped and tortured into being the bitch of the state, who are currently getting the shit kicked out of them by guerillas from a former backwater Soviet republic. If anything, the Left's propaganda against Russia suffers from a lack of hard facts about the ills that bedevil Russia.
Which part of Russia were they right about that wasn't predicted pre-globohomo years prior to their existence though? Most of how Russia is acting was expected other than them being incompetent and almost an imitation of China with the whole paper-tiger concept. (There were some who thought this would happen but it was far rarer than the opposite) Even the Russian invasion was predicted to happen sooner or later.

Russia is obviously an issue the problem is Zelensky is not only proving himself to be either a dangerous dimwit or purposely trying to escalate things optics wise he's playing a very risky game of chicken with Russia. When the conflict first started I could understand the panicky declarations because it was a very tense moment now it just comes off as irresponsible and stupid or purposeful and malicious with intent.

He's doing so poorly with his antics that I'm starting to notice a slow drift to support for Putin on a few sites that were prior heavily against Russia in general. That political schism is coming from how Zelensky promotes himself. I'm not saying he shouldn't stand firm, but he should be weary of how he presents himself in this situation and take a second look at what he directly says a few times or get better writers/yes men for his statements/validating his comments.

I could see the defense for Zelensky when it was other politicians making badly timed and poorly thought out statements as those were different Ukrainian politicians when it's him causing the issues it looks bad on him directly. On an aside coincidence or not EVERY SINGLE TIME!
 
Well he has now banned all opposition parties and banned all news from anywhere but his one approved outlet...why would anybody in the West trust anything he says?
Technically, he didn't ban them, he suspended them. However, even if he did, he only banned pro-Russian parties and commies. Other parties are still freely operating.
 
They halted the Polish-Lithuanian advance into Moscow, back when the latter was still a superpower. And to be fair, the Western Allies needed Russia just as much as the Russians needed the Allies. if the Russians were neutral in WW1 (or if they sided with the Germans as they previously did before Wilhelm II took the reins of power) WW1 would have ended rather quickly with a resounding German victory. The Soviets introduced more cancers that even Imperial Russia didn't have, such as spending God knows how much taxpayer money trying to compete and keep up with the west, when they should be dealing with their own problems first.


China and India would likely remain enemies, and no offer would be good enough for them. Mainly because America is a distant power while China is an aggressive neighbor. The only offer China can make to appease India is to demilitarize their border with India, but that would make Xi Jinping look weak, which he obviously wouldn't want to do.
"Halting the advance into Moscow" sounds more like Russia screwed up big time if they lost to Polish-Lithuania that badly...
 
That's got to be really worrying to Putin. Right now he clearly doesn't have the combat power to shore up any friendly dictators in his "Near Abroad" or ex Soviet States, should the locals realize that now would be a good time to finally free themselves of Russia and Russian puppets. Belarus isn't even the scary one. What happens in Chechnya when the locals figure out that all the Putin Friendly Chechen forces are over dying messily in Ukraine?
Yep. Belarus is an interesting place to look at. Near as I can tell while the Belarussians were pro-Russian, Lukashenko's choices to align himself more heavily to Putin and make his country Russia's bitch in exchange for him being top bitch of Putin's bitches there really pissed off a lot of Belarussians. Turns out that just because someone is well-disposed towards you and your country that doesn't necessarily mean they want to take orders from you or your country.
Interesting how Australia will help Ukraine, yet they did not seem to care that much for the New Zealanders who were criticizing their government for unnecessary lockdowns when their own officials were caught maskless, and the citizens that were had to pay fines or ended up having possible jail time.
Who the hell cares about the other Kiwis? New Zealanders are like cucked-to-hell-and-back Welshmen, with even more sheepfucking, and they've gleefully sold themselves out to China. I guarantee you the Aussies are expecting NZ to be an active impediment to any war efforts in the South Pacific, because they have the same attitude towards their bigger, more powerful neighbor Canada does to the USA. There's a reason AUKUS explicitly excludes both of those nations despite their proximity to partners.
"Halting the advance into Moscow" sounds more like Russia screwed up big time if they lost to Polish-Lithuania that badly...
Once upon a time the Poles were a military juggernaut. I know its hard to believe, but they had a very well-trained, modernized army inspired by the Swedish model, backed up by the excellent Polish cavalry (and not just the Winged Hussars, the Poles have historically had a very strong cavalry tradition).
 
Yep. Belarus is an interesting place to look at. Near as I can tell while the Belarussians were pro-Russian, Lukashenko's choices to align himself more heavily to Putin and make his country Russia's bitch in exchange for him being top bitch of Putin's bitches there really pissed off a lot of Belarussians. Turns out that just because someone is well-disposed towards you and your country that doesn't necessarily mean they want to take orders from you or your country.
I have a feeling the Khazahstani's are doing a bit of soul searching regarding Russia at the moment. They all really like Russia. But they don't really like being forced to like Russia at the point of a gun. Nor do they like that the moment they attempt to act independently on the world stage Papa Putin will attempt to drive tanks over them. Let's just say they are very much of two minds about the whole war. I suspect a lot of friendly Russian Neighbors are much the same.
the Poles have historically had a very strong cavalry tradition).
Which served them well... until the Tanks and Machine Guns showed up. They were a little late to get the memo regarding the Cavalry being demoted to Parade Status by technology.

. Babies on bayonets in Belgium,
To be fair the Babies on Bayonets was actually a thing in Japanese held 1940's China. There are pictures. I strongly recommend you do not attempt to find them.
 
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Which part of Russia were they right about that wasn't predicted pre-globohomo years prior to their existence though? Most of how Russia is acting was expected other than them being incompetent and almost an imitation of China with the whole paper-tiger concept. (There were some who thought this would happen but it was far rarer than the opposite) Even the Russian invasion was predicted to happen sooner or later.

Russia is obviously an issue the problem is Zelensky is not only proving himself to be either a dangerous dimwit or purposely trying to escalate things optics wise he's playing a very risky game of chicken with Russia. When the conflict first started I could understand the panicky declarations because it was a very tense moment now it just comes off as irresponsible and stupid or purposeful and malicious with intent.

He's doing so poorly with his antics that I'm starting to notice a slow drift to support for Putin on a few sites that were prior heavily against Russia in general. That political schism is coming from how Zelensky promotes himself. I'm not saying he shouldn't stand firm, but he should be weary of how he presents himself in this situation and take a second look at what he directly says a few times or get better writers/yes men for his statements/validating his comments.

I could see the defense for Zelensky when it was other politicians making badly timed and poorly thought out statements as those were different Ukrainian politicians when it's him causing the issues it looks bad on him directly. On an aside coincidence or not EVERY SINGLE TIME!
Zelensky is grandstanding because he expected to die within the first few days of the invasion, instead, his forces are successfully stalemating the Russians on almost every front, even though they're a former superpower and he's the president of some backwater Soviet republic.

He's got every right to grandstand like an asshole.

Putin on the other hand, continues the war, even though Zelensky already offered everything Putin originally wanted: no NATO membership for Ukraine, and recognition of the breakaway regions in the east. Zelensky practically handed Putin an escape route to the point where Putin can just accept those terms, return home, and declare victory, now that Ukraine won't become a NATO country and the breakaway provinces are now either independent republics or outright absorbed into Russia. Putin still continued the war. Why? Because he believes his own bullshit about Ukraine not being a legit country and the land rightfully belonging to Russia.

Who'd have thought that a fucking comedian would still be a better politician than a guy who surrounds himself 24/7 with ass-kissers while throwing away all critics into the gulag?
 
To be fair the Babies on Bayonets was actually a thing in Japanese held 1940's China. There are pictures. I strongly recommend you do not attempt to find them.
You can't tell me what to do.
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Also goes back to what I said about Asians hating eachother. Imagine trying to get another east Asian country to join your alliance with Japan when they did this shit to your people and haven't even said they're sorry for it.

China might be an asshole but Japan literally bayonets our children in living memory.
 
Which served them well... until the Tanks and Machine Guns showed up. They were a little late to get the memo regarding the Cavalry being demoted to Parade Status by technology.
Nope. The Poles were actively trying to modernize their military, but its a bit hard when centuries of foreign rule has left your lands purposefully under-industrialized. Polish mathematicians and cryptographers had also cracked Enigma before the war started, the Polish-made Bombe being the world's most capable cryptological computer at the time. Cavalry was used extensively by most countries as messengers and recon forces as a substitute for motorized vehicles, and that photograph was an outright lie. The Poles were holding on surprisingly well against the Wehrmacht, and had the French actually attacked instead of lying their asses off to the Poles WW2 would have been over that very year.
 
Its funny calling Poles still using cavalry in WWII, when the Wehrmacht's one main method of transport for their supplies are literally horse wagons
That was pretty much everyone not the US or Commonwealth nations, with IIRC even the French struggling to make ends meet regarding motorized transport.
 
Zelensky is grandstanding because he expected to die within the first few days of the invasion, instead, his forces are successfully stalemating the Russians on almost every front, even though they're a former superpower and he's the president of some backwater Soviet republic.

He's got every right to grandstand like an asshole.

Putin on the other hand, continues the war, even though Zelensky already offered everything Putin originally wanted: no NATO membership for Ukraine, and recognition of the breakaway regions in the east. Zelensky practically handed Putin an escape route to the point where Putin can just accept those terms, return home, and declare victory, now that Ukraine won't become a NATO country and the breakaway provinces are now either independent republics or outright absorbed into Russia. Putin still continued the war. Why? Because he believes his own bullshit about Ukraine not being a legit country and the land rightfully belonging to Russia.

Who'd have thought that a fucking comedian would still be a better politician than a guy who surrounds himself 24/7 with ass-kissers while throwing away all critics into the gulag?
Generally my rule of thumb is if your enemy has a nuke, you don't grandstand. It's fine to be prideful but being a sore-winner in such a situation is literally a game of chicken to see how far one can push Russia's buttons. It's the exact reason many supporting (of Ukraine) countries were playing tiptoe about the whole situation to not risk nuclear conflict. For the many faults Putin has currently in this predicament I'm glad impatience isn't one of them. Note: Technically the invasion itself was an impatient move at least from a side glance, but I mean in this specific situation.

Like I mentioned I'm not against him puffing his chest to Putin and standing up to him it's how far he seems to be going beyond that line into a lack-of risk assessment. Poking a sore-wound whether self-inflicted or not is not always the best idea in a conflict, especially with a country going to be suffering heavy economic loss, embarassment (politically, militarily, and more) and showcasing a major flaw (weakness/fragility)... At that point you end up setting a "nothing to lose" scenario, and that's worrisome. Yes Russia set itself up for that failure, which is quite apparent, it's one thing to be petty against people in online or real life conflicts but when there's something more drastic on the line or at risk that's when it's best to contextually not behave like that.
 
Generally my rule of thumb is if your enemy has a nuke, you don't grandstand. It's fine to be prideful but being a sore-winner in such a situation is literally a game of chicken to see how far one can push Russia's buttons.
If Russia even thinks about seriously using nuclear weapons, they get glassed from all directions. Putin's got nothing to fall back on that won't cause WWIII. And his generals aren't going to risk annihilation because of some damn foolish war in The Ukraine.
 
Generally my rule of thumb is if your enemy has a nuke, you don't grandstand. It's fine to be prideful but being a sore-winner in such a situation is literally a game of chicken to see how far one can push Russia's buttons. It's the exact reason many supporting (of Ukraine) countries were playing tiptoe about the whole situation to not risk nuclear conflict. For the many faults Putin has currently in this predicament I'm glad impatience isn't one of them. Note: Technically the invasion itself was an impatient move at least from a side glance, but I mean in this specific situation.

Like I mentioned I'm not against him puffing his chest to Putin and standing up to him it's how far he seems to be going beyond that line into a lack-of risk assessment. Poking a sore-wound whether self-inflicted or not is not always the best idea in a conflict, especially with a country going to be suffering heavy economic loss, embarassment (politically, militarily, and more) and showcasing a major flaw (weakness/fragility)... At that point you end up setting a "nothing to lose" scenario, and that's worrisome. Yes Russia set itself up for that failure, which is quite apparent, it's one thing to be petty against people in online or real life conflicts but when there's something more drastic on the line or at risk that's when it's best to contextually not behave like that.
He can't use that nuke unless he wants to get nuked himself. And again, Russia's buttons have already been pushed by the sanctions; in fact, they're more hurtful than a nuke blowing up a Russian city. They sent the country back to the Dark Ages with what they did with the sanctions.

But Zelensky actually offered Putin an out. He offered Putin two things: Ukraine doesn't join NATO, and the eastern breakaway states go do their own thing. That's mighty generous. If it were me, I'd never agree to those things, but Putin could have taken that deal, gone back home, and declared victory, knowing that Ukraine will not become a NATO country, and its eastern breakaway provinces are now Russian. Except Putin didn't take that escape route and is continuing the war because he believes his own lies about Ukraine being Russian territory.

It's hard not to poke the bear when the bear insists on shitting on your house and mauling your family members to death. So of course, Zelensky would grandstand. One of two things will happen: either his forces hold off the Russians and the Russians collapse, or the Russians fire the nukes, the west fires theirs, and the world ends anyways.
 
You can't tell me what to do.
Also goes back to what I said about Asians hating eachother. Imagine trying to get another east Asian country to join your alliance with Japan when they did this shit to your people and haven't even said they're sorry for it.

China might be an asshole but Japan literally bayonets our children in living memory.

True it is awful what they did. But years prior the Chinese Nationalists were no better

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