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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Australia Boosts Aid to Ukraine; Whitehaven to Supply Coal​

  • Canberra will send defense material, humanitarian assistance
  • Australia is also banning exports of alumina to Russia

Australia is stepping up military and humanitarian aid for Ukraine to assist in its war against Russia, including 70,000 tonnes of thermal coal.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s government will offer an additional A$21 million ($15.6 million) of military support for Ukraine, including unspecified material from the Australian Defence Force’s stocks. It’s also pledging another A$30 million in humanitarian assistance, according to a government statement Sunday.

Australia and its allies have sought to exert pressure on Russian President Vladimir Putin to halt his war against Ukraine. As part of those efforts, Canberra is also imposing a ban on exports of alumina and aluminum ores to Russia, the government said.

Russia gets nearly 20% of its alumina supplies from Australia and the move will limit its ability to produce aluminum, a critical export, the statement added. The Morrison government had previously announced a series of measures targeting Russian banks, government entities, as well as the country’s oligarchs.

Whitehaven Coal Ltd. will supply the coal and arrange for its shipment to Ukraine without impacting existing contracts to other international partners, Morrison said at a press briefing Sunday. The government is working with the company and the Ukrainian and Polish governments to deliver the supplies that are needed before the end of May, the prime minister said.


The assistance will help keep the country’s coal-fired power generators operating and supplying electricity to its power grid.

“It’s our coal, we dug it up, we’ve arranged the ship, we’ve put it on the ship and we are sending it to Ukraine to help power up their resistance and to give encouragement,” Morrison said. “We understand that it can power up to about one million homes.”

The government will meet the cost of the coal and delivery.

The latest aid package for Ukraine joins a previous A$70 million in military commitments as well A$35 million of humanitarian support.
Interesting how Australia will help Ukraine, yet they did not seem to care that much for the New Zealanders who were criticizing their government for unnecessary lockdowns when their own officials were caught maskless, and the citizens that were had to pay fines or ended up having possible jail time.
 
Interesting how Australia will help Ukraine, yet they did not seem to care that much for the New Zealanders who were criticizing their government for unnecessary lockdowns when their own officials were caught maskless, and the citizens that were had to pay fines or ended up having possible jail time.
those seem like two different things.
 
those seem like two different things.
That might be the case, so you’re not wrong on that, but all the news on my end show that they’re treating Ukraine with a lot more aid than they need. Plus, I recently saw Zelensky say this about the Germans wanting to help them:


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky invoked the well-known slogan "never again" in reference to the Holocaust while addressing German lawmakers on Thursday, CNN reported.

"I address all of you who heard politicians say every year 'never again,' but I can see these words are worth nothing. Now, our whole nation is being exterminated in Europe, why?" Zelensky said while being firm with the German Parliament, the Bundestag, and imploring them for additional assistance.

"I address the older people among you who have survived the Second World War, who were rescued during the occupation, who survived Babyn Yar, where President Steinmeier visited last year for the 80th anniversary of the tragedy, and where Russian missiles struck," Zelensky said to the Bundestag.

"It was there that families were killed. Again, 80 years later,"
the Ukrainian president added, emphasizing and comparing the current Russian attacks to the attacks during World War II.
"You are also behind the wall, a wall that separates you from Ukrainians that are dying in Ukraine with every bomb that is landing on our land," Zelensky said, while also evoking images of the past Soviet occupation of East Germany and the Berlin Wall.

Even while seemingly winning the war, Zelensky looks like he’s biting off more than he can chew.
 
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Even while seemingly winning the war, Zelensky looks like he’s biting off more than he can chew.
Zelensky seems like he's an NPC trying to hit all those special words and win. "This is totally 9/11 guys!. No? Didn't work? Well, it's just like WW2! HELP US NOW YOU DAMN BIGOTS! MORE MORE MORE! START A NUCLEAR WAR!...okay didn't work....ah...what else happened...Berlin wall? Yeah! That! This is just like the Berlin wall! NOW START THE FUCKING WAR ALREADY!"
 
Interesting how Australia will help Ukraine, yet they did not seem to care that much for the New Zealanders who were criticizing their government for unnecessary lockdowns when their own officials were caught maskless, and the citizens that were had to pay fines or ended up having possible jail time.
It's the current western leaders' mentality dotcha know? Show virtue by wanting to help distant countries while turning a blind eye their own, growing internal problems. Canada is perhaps the epitome of this hypocrisy.
 
Zelensky seems like he's an NPC trying to hit all those special words and win. "This is totally 9/11 guys!. No? Didn't work? Well, it's just like WW2! HELP US NOW YOU DAMN BIGOTS! MORE MORE MORE! START A NUCLEAR WAR!...okay didn't work....ah...what else happened...Berlin wall? Yeah! That! This is just like the Berlin wall! NOW START THE FUCKING WAR ALREADY!"
Oh, here's a new one. "IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT MY DEMANDS RIGHT NOW, MR. PUTIN, THIS WILL BE WORLD WAR THREE! THREE! THAT'S A BIG NUMBER! WAR! FIGHT! NUCLEAR WAR!"


Don't worry, though, guys, I'm assured that Zelensky is a perfectly reasonable person and he totally does not want to start a nuclear war out of spite.
 
Zelensky seems like he's an NPC trying to hit all those special words and win. "This is totally 9/11 guys!. No? Didn't work? Well, it's just like WW2! HELP US NOW YOU DAMN BIGOTS! MORE MORE MORE! START A NUCLEAR WAR!...okay didn't work....ah...what else happened...Berlin wall? Yeah! That! This is just like the Berlin wall! NOW START THE FUCKING WAR ALREADY!"

And when they ask us how much should we give, ooh the only answer is more more more more
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no military son
 
Zelensky seems like he's an NPC trying to hit all those special words and win. "This is totally 9/11 guys!. No? Didn't work? Well, it's just like WW2! HELP US NOW YOU DAMN BIGOTS! MORE MORE MORE! START A NUCLEAR WAR!...okay didn't work....ah...what else happened...Berlin wall? Yeah! That! This is just like the Berlin wall! NOW START THE FUCKING WAR ALREADY!"
I mean can you blame him? He needs help. Is it cringe? Yeah. But this is arguably his best bet. He probably thinks that the West getting involved would cause Russia to blink rather than escalate.
 
The fact the stupid piece of shit unironically said "This is the worst war since WW2" when both Vietnam and Korea happened should prove to every person on this forum that Zelensky is no better than Putin.
He still is better. There's the kind of idiot who conflates history, and the kind of idiot who declares an unjust war while tanking his entire country's economy and sending wave after wave of gopniks to die on foreign soil to appease old Communist-era boomers who are nostalgic for the USSR. The former is funny, the latter is tragic.
 
I still don't understand how people conflate supporting Ukraine with not supporting Zelensky, guy is at best an idiot globalist, at worst a nutjob. and fool. You can do both (Support Ukraine but despise Zelensky) but people keep acting like it's some impossible logic quandary.
It's the same intellectual dishonesty that led to calling those who are critical of the covid vaccines as "antivaxxers" when the only doubts they raised were about one specific drug, not all vaccines under the sun.
 
It's the same intellectual dishonesty that led to calling those who are critical of the covid vaccines as "antivaxxers" when the only doubts they raised were about one specific drug, not all vaccines under the sun.
The easiest way I explain it to people is like the US. Supporting what the USA stands for (or had stood for) is not the same thing as having to support Biden. Yet the same people act like one must be the same or in this case "it's different." Propaganda is working again on Americans and people outside viewing this conflict.
 
I still don't understand how people conflate supporting Ukraine with not supporting Zelensky, guy is at best an idiot globalist, at worst a nutjob. and fool. You can do both (Support Ukraine but despise Zelensky) but people keep acting like it's some impossible logic quandary.
I can admire the man for staying and fighting and still criticize him for his flaws. And if anything, this war proved the globalists were right about Russia.

The easiest way I explain it to people is like the US. Supporting what the USA stands for (or had stood for) is not the same thing as having to support Biden. Yet the same people act like one must be the same or in this case "it's different." Propaganda is working again on Americans and people outside viewing this conflict.
It's not like the Left's propaganda is wrong about Putin's Russia being a force for mischief. I mean, when the Nazis speak of how Communism is evil, they're stating a basic fact that many of their western enemies in France, England, and America would agree with. And the thing is, the truth about Putin's Russia paints them as more evil and incompetent than even the Left could possibly do. The Left sees in Putin a Russian Sauron, with his empire as the new Third Reich, whereas the truth reveals that he's just a Commie boomer from the USSR days leading a paper-tiger nation, with an army full of poorly-trained gopniks who get raped and tortured into being the bitch of the state, who are currently getting the shit kicked out of them by guerillas from a former backwater Soviet republic. If anything, the Left's propaganda against Russia suffers from a lack of hard facts about the ills that bedevil Russia.
 
But this is arguably his best bet.
This is arguably his worst bet. Right now with the west's funding it's still feasible for him to push the russians out, even if I don't think its likely. If he gets the west involved, there won't be any Ukraine left
 
Ukraine rejects deadline to surrender Mariupol
Russia’s ministry of defence earlier set a 5am deadline for the embattled city of Mariupol to surrender.

“Lay down your arms,” Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev, the director of the Russian national defence management centre, said on Sunday in a briefing. “A terrible humanitarian catastrophe has developed. All who lay down their arms are guaranteed safe passage out of Mariupol.”

Mizintsev added that local officials would face a “military tribunal” if they didn’t agree to the surrender terms.

However Ukraine has rejected the proposal with deputy prime minister Iryna Vereshchuk saying that there can be “no question” of surrender.

Ukraine’s deputy prime minister Iryna Vereshchuk was quoted as saying by Ukrainska Pravda:

"There can be no talk of any surrenders, laying down of arms. We have already informed the Russian side about this.

Instead of wasting time on 8 pages of letters, just open a [humanitarian] corridor.”
 
Real talk tho, the real reason why Trump's "Pacific NATO" didn't go anywhere is that a lot of Nations in Aisa doesn't see the US as a reliable ally in the context of dealing with China, did the west do anything to China besides words when China tries to take the mountains to from India? Nope.
They're not wrong as the United States govt's political stance toward "allies" is subject to change every two years.
 
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