Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Anteros]

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Never thought I would agree with Vaush on anything but... yeah turns out his best case face app woman scenario is Jim Sterling.

Looks like a facetuned and shooped Lillee Jean lmao

 

[fax machine]

Not sure about that - he isn't very masculine. He would indeed be an ugly troon though.

I think his physical features are too unambiguously male to ever support an illusion of womanhood. His whole eye area is unpassable — not that that’s stopped others from trying.

Vaush knows which side his bread is buttered on, though, and he isn’t the type to torpedo his little empire on purpose. He’s built a fanbase that admires him for being not just a man, but a deep-voiced bruiser eating edge for breakfast and crushing wokescolds with his bare fists. People like him because they believe he’s strong. (I guess they don’t see the glass ego.) It might seem that transitioning wouldn’t hurt him because he speaks about trans rights and has a lot of trans fans, but becoming a woman is 100% incompatible with his self created image, and I’m sure that Vaush is aware of this. He’s always talking to his chat about men’s issues from the perspective of a bro, laying on the ironic misogyny thick to assure them he’s on their side. Olly was supposedly a feminist intellectual who made long videos about his trauma, and even his Abigail hasn’t gone over smoothly. Vaush would have it a hundred times harder. He isn’t about to throw away what he’s got to face the Internet as an ugly woman.

Tbh I don't see AGP in Vaush — just GAMP. He’s obsessed with imagining himself as some kind of Viking Cicero, and not in the overcompensatory way that leads a lot of men to join the military before transitioning. Vaush genuinely revels in his vision of archetypal masculinity. He's the kind of guy who always wanted to be The Man and is thrilled to be surrounded now by followers who treat him as such without pressing him to actually improve himself. In his current position, he can do all the -isms ironically, set mobs on his enemies, and still be celebrated by thousands as a hero because his offenses are committed to defend the right team. Dream gig.

Idk why it has to be all fancy sets and stylists now. He's wasting a shitload of money on basically....nothing.

I mean all that cash on sets and costumes and paying for makeup artists and all that b.s. It's just stupid. He could literally do most of that himself like he used to and his videos wouldn't be worse for it. (I mean that might not be possible lol).

I get the sense that Olly enjoys feeling like a professional — securing a location, managing a crew, getting dolled up like a real actress on the set of a legitimate production. Maybe he feels the process makes the videos appear more professional, too, so they're more likely to be accepted as authoritative treatments of the material and played in classrooms (he gets so excited about his videos being played in classrooms). The problem, of course, is that he won't let anyone else touch the scripts, and the content is so shallow and directionless that no amount of professional texture can improve it.

It's a bit weird for a talking into camera style YouTube video to have that kind of professional texture anyway. People like the coziness of the self-filmed look, the impression of a glimpse into one person's passion project. Philosophy Tube videos feel unnecessarily expensive and cold. Though that may be less the fault of the aesthetics than the presenter's total lack of genuine human warmth.

 

[Ninon42]

(Not counting Lindsay Ellis and only bc she's still locked into a contract with him wrt her audiobooks.)

Lindsay's been off Twitter since December and the third book might well not happen as she's pretty much had a mental breakdown, so no audiobook for Olly to overact badly on. She's not of value to him anyway without her social media clout.

 

[narcissistic injury]

Analogous to Abi’s transition


https://youtu.be/u8QMIYv-y98

 

[Excited Eraser]

I get the sense that Olly enjoys feeling like a professional — securing a location, managing a crew, getting dolled up like a real actress on the set of a legitimate production. Maybe he feels the process makes the videos appear more professional, too, so they're more likely to be accepted as authoritative treatments of the material and played in classrooms (he gets so excited about his videos being played in classrooms). The problem, of course, is that he won't let anyone else touch the scripts, and the content is so shallow and directionless that no amount of professional texture can improve it.

It's a bit weird for a talking into camera style YouTube video to have that kind of professional texture anyway. People like the coziness of the self-filmed look, the impression of a glimpse into one person's passion project. Philosophy Tube videos feel unnecessarily expensive and cold. Though that may be less the fault of the aesthetics than the presenter's total lack of genuine human warmth.

It's by design. It's why he calls himself the 'presenter' and the channel the 'show'. In his mind he's a successful actress who, as an act of charity, presents a BBC-style educational television programme about philosophy. And not because he wants to per se, but because the audience wants him to. It doesn't matter that in reality he's just a dressed up bloke espousing his politics on camera like millions of others on YouTube.

I imagine he would compare himself to someone like Dara Ó Briain, an Irish comedian who's presented many comedy shows on the BBC. But he also from time to time presents educational specials on astronomy and other science. The difference of course is that Dara is both an exceptionally funny man and very passionate about science, and it shows.

 

[Tombigbee]

Slightly off topic, but can I just say how much I love this story arc with JK Rowling doubling and tripling down on her “transphobic” tweets? It is the best! It’s so surreal to see a major celebrity or Hollywood or Hollywood-adjacent person take ANY kind of stand on anything and watching trannies and their allies melt down over it is so great. Virtually all of my friends are horrified by Rowling’s comments. Shine on, Joanne! She just went on a tweet spree of highlighting detransitioners.

 

[EdiblePanties]

Slightly off topic, but can I just say how much I love this story arc with JK Rowling doubling and tripling down on her “transphobic” tweets? It is the best! It’s so surreal to see a major celebrity or Hollywood or Hollywood-adjacent person take ANY kind of stand on anything and watching trannies and their allies melt down over it is so great. Virtually all of my friends are horrified by Rowling’s comments. Shine on, Joanne! She just went on a tweet spree of highlighting detransitioners.

I wish someone would bring Ollie and his infamous coming-out statement to her attention.
How surprising she is unaware of the most famous trans princess in all of the UK.

 

[AfghanBlue]

I wish someone would bring Ollie and his infamous coming-out statement to her attention.
How surprising she is unaware of the most famous trans princess in all of the UK.

She’d have to weigh up how much he would absolutely fucking love that, though. Her recognition.


On another note, I guess the upmcoming KJB will be the first official public thing Ollie has done since roe pandemic times.

I was thinking about how him and his cohort and basically all the trannies, through this time of only recently dwindling lockdown, have got way too into talking up their own reality/

Half ironically at first, talking about how hot and glam and slutty they are, with no actual need for any real life disturbance to this idea. They’ve got more and more intense with it, talking the big one, and like... for people this borderline, two years is actually a massive period of time. They have made massively life changing decisions in this time; without a great deal of real world reception to it.

These three have spent the last few years at first half ironically, then fully genuinely talking about how beautiful and cool they are.
Maybe if it was just each of them individually on stage alone infornt of some simps they could keep the self delusion up- but sitting there beside each other, hearing and seeing their fo hosts bullshit, might be enough to start off a few cracks in the ego.

We can but hope

 

[Myrmidax]

Slightly off topic, but can I just say how much I love this story arc with JK Rowling doubling and tripling down on her “transphobic” tweets? It is the best! It’s so surreal to see a major celebrity or Hollywood or Hollywood-adjacent person take ANY kind of stand on anything and watching trannies and their allies melt down over it is so great. Virtually all of my friends are horrified by Rowling’s comments. Shine on, Joanne! She just went on a tweet spree of highlighting detransitioners.

And to make it even sweeter, despite all the outrage, when push comes to shove most people clearly still care more about the children's books from 1997 than any tranny.

 

[Puddleduck]

Idk why it has to be all fancy sets and stylists now. He's wasting a shitload of money on basically....nothing.

He has really bad financial literacy for a rich kid. I hope he's investing some of his Chubetube money so it can sustain him, because his "talent" certainly won't longterm

Absolutely. I mean all that cash on sets and costumes and paying for makeup artists and all that b.s. It's just stupid. He could literally do most of that himself like he used to and his videos wouldn't be worse for it. (I mean that might not be possible lol).

I wonder if his parents are funding his "business endeavours" ?

Mild powerlevel:

Spoiler

a friend-of-a-friend grew up in a literal castle. In these parts, it is "THE castle" where we go for a nice day out. He and his siblings have two choices - live there for free (including utilities and food etc) in exchange for sometimes helping out with "castle duties", or move out. This friend, he used to help out in the cafe.

Anyway, he moved out, and became a manager of a new branch of Costa. I assumed he'd gone to a job interview and got hired but no - his parents bought him the franchise, and the building the Costa was in, including the flat above it. He told us all of this in a very matter-of-fact way, there was no self awareness. As if parents buying an entire building and kitting out a coffee shop was quite normal. As far as I know they still pay for the running costs, and the money the shop makes is his own.

tl;dr sometimes obscenely rich families prop up their kids.

I wouldn't be surprised if his parents pay for the stylists and all that crap, while he keeps the money from Patreon and YT.

But all that's wasted because whatever "it" is, Contra has it and Ollie doesn't.

 

[AfghanBlue]

I wonder if his parents are funding his "business endeavours" ?

Mild powerlevel:

Spoiler

a friend-of-a-friend grew up in a literal castle. In these parts, it is "THE castle" where we go for a nice day out. He and his siblings have two choices - live there for free (including utilities and food etc) in exchange for sometimes helping out with "castle duties", or move out. This friend, he used to help out in the cafe.

Anyway, he moved out, and became a manager of a new branch of Costa. I assumed he'd gone to a job interview and got hired but no - his parents bought him the franchise, and the building the Costa was in, including the flat above it. He told us all of this in a very matter-of-fact way, there was no self awareness. As if parents buying an entire building and kitting out a coffee shop was quite normal. As far as I know they still pay for the running costs, and the money the shop makes is his own.

tl;dr sometimes obscenely rich families prop up their kids.

I wouldn't be surprised if his parents pay for the stylists and all that crap, while he keeps the money from Patreon and YT.

But all that's wasted because whatever "it" is, Contra has it and Ollie doesn't.

That’s depressing as fuck buying a Costa rather than like, making your own better non corporate coffee shop.
But I suppose that takes work and an interest in the subject more than a vague desire to have a successful business

-hello- we just stumbled onto Olly again.
Olly is the shitty UK nowhere high street franchise of MacContrapoins

 

[EverlyB]

Olly could never run the Twitter game like this.

I think one difference is that Olly, in pursuit of considering himself perfectly praiseworthy, is never willing to joke at the expense of his ingroup, unless the "ingroup" is something he identifies with for image's sake but knows he isn't actually a part of, like Geordies or "women."

 

[esmeggs]

(Archive)
HOLY FUCKKK LMAO CONTRAPOITNS WTF WHAT A DICK

 

[Swimminglanes]

He's lying about the marriage registration. Anyone born after 1983 can use a passport.

There is no such thing as a "marriage license" in the UK.

Certificates aren't even issued anymore. Husband or wife isn't written down anywhere.
He just repeats any old rubbish without checking.

People pay for his crap?

 

[narcissistic injury]

Omg what a hero though…… lol lol lol lol lol

I’m sorry this happened to you hahahahahaahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahah

Sorry CHAD

He's lying about the marriage registration. Anyone born after 1983 can use a passport.

There is no such thing as a "marriage license" in the UK.

Certificates aren't even issued anymore. Husband or wife isn't written down anywhere.
He just repeats any old rubbish without checking.

People pay for his crap?

Also 26 years for estrogen???? ….?????

 

[Swimminglanes]

He won't have any trouble with the menopause then.

 

[doja tiger]

lol of course he had to mention the "amazing" sex and the legendary "more intense" """girl""" orgasms. why do troons think everyone wants to hear those lies about their "wonderful" sex lives

how the fuck is coming out as a troon supposed to make one's sex life better? especially after poisoning your body with the wrong hormones and ruining your sexual functioning?

 

[Clem Fandango]

"Lesbianism came naturally", "All my girlfriends", but no mention of any boyfriends?

This dude was never bi, was he? It's a straight white man in knickers trying desperately to feel more interesting, in these times where "straight white male" is apparently the most "boring" thing to be.

 

[narcissistic injury]

lol of course he had to mention the "amazing" sex and the legendary "more intense" """girl""" orgasms. why do troons think everyone wants to hear those lies about their "wonderful" sex lives

how the fuck is coming out as a troon supposed to make one's sex life better? especially after poisoning your body with the wrong hormones and ruining your sexual functioning?

By taking lady dick viagra DUH! So hot and feminine

You don’t think that growing your hair, candy flipping estrogen and viagra and jackhammering artificially constructed body cavities of “girlfriends” amounts to a euphoric mystical experience of the feminine divine?

 

[AssignedEva]

He's lying about the marriage registration. Anyone born after 1983 can use a passport.

There is no such thing as a "marriage license" in the UK.

Certificates aren't even issued anymore. Husband or wife isn't written down anywhere.
He just repeats any old rubbish without checking.

People pay for his crap?

Technically the declarations are quite specific legal instruments, so in order for the wedding to count I think you have to be witnessed saying "I take you to be my husband/wife" with the husband/wife bit linked to whatever is on the birth certificate.

Registrars lose their shit if you try and get an instrumental version of a hymn played at a civil ceremony, I can imagine they'd absolutely refuse to let someone say "partner" or "wife" to a man who didn't get his gender certificate. So Ollie's partner would have to call him a husband, just once (and might not be able to call him "wife" even in the non statutory vows). On the other hand, it would mean Ollie could have a "lesbian" Church of England ceremony so he actually gets more perks than actual lesbians (unless his bride was also trans).