Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Spicey McHaggis]

I really doubt those numbers. I'd be surprised if it's more than a fifth of that.

Bodies stack fast when you're doing this kind of warfare. It's definitely not that low.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Where does it specify it's Sub2000s? Kel Tec makes a variety of 5.56 and 308 rifles as well.

They might be okay for rear echelon security detail or something but I can't see them being used for front line stuff.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

And what, honestly, is this "non-Western" financial system (or set of such) going to use to back itself anyway? Unless Russia/China/India/Iran/etc. have lots of gold in their reserves, it doesn't really matter.

Unsure what India has been doing but it's been no secret that Russia and China have been hoarding gold like no tomorrow.

 

[DumbDude42]

The Soviet Union had every right to Ukraine. Russia didn't have rights to Ukraine, and none of the three traitors had the right to dissolve the union. Yeltsin was at most as legitimate as the Remain referendum he ignored. All three republics of the Belovezh Accords participated in the referendum and voted Remain, which is why the Accords were a fucking coup.

Georgia boycotted but South Ossetia and Abkhazia voted Remain. Moldavia boycotted but Transnistria and Gagauzia voted Remain. Estonia boycotted, parts of it and the capital voted Remain, after which Estonia held another vote in which only people who swore to vote Leave had the right to vote. Central Asia overwhelmingly voted Remain, except Kazakhstan which changed the question to "have you stopped beating your wife" (but still voted Remain). Out of the former Soviet republics, only Armenia actually exited constitutionally.

really makes one wonder why yeltsin and his boys were so adamant on getting rid of the union entirely.
my guess is that they thought that as long as the union exists, the communist party will remain a serious contender for political power, so dissolving the union was seen as necessary to get rid of the party for good?

 

[LUNEKO]

Isn't Russia still demanding demilitarization + some constitutional neutrality clause? I'll admit, I haven't been keeping up with the peace talks because they seemed to be going nowhere... either way, Zelensky still seems to be holding onto hopes of restoring the country to its pre-2014 borders for some reason, which I just don't see happening in any realistic scenario.

The plan is obviously to turn this into such a phyrric victory that Putin goes "oh shit" and just quits as they run out of steel to even make spoons, and also maybe cause enough humanitarian crisis to force NATO into intervening but that's not happening without nukes dropping.
This is exactly why the USA decided to drop the bombs in Japan instead of landing on the shore, if they went with the land invasion the war could had very easily extended decades of gruesome loses for both sides since the Japanese are cultural hardasses that wouldn't had taken a surrender otherwise

 

[ColtWalker1847]

I really doubt those numbers. I'd be surprised if it's more than a fifth of that.

Have you looked at their equipment losses? The dead could easily be over 2000. They have had over 300 armored vehicles destroyed alone. Not abandoned. Not captured. Destroyed. As in the autoloader blew the fuck up and the turret landed in the next Zip code. That's just the visually confirmed armored vehicles. It doesn't count all of the other types of logistics, air defense, engineering, and other support vehicles that have been destroyed. Then it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 800 vehicles. I highly doubt that the crews all made it to safety.

Casualties are high. This war is bloody.

 

[bread n circuses]

lol indentured servitude in exchange for half hearted words of encouragement sounds like a good deal

prtty close tho u hav to admit
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You’re giving Tuvalu and Liechtenstein the same weight as India and China.

I get that your schtick is dumb bait and not actual engagement, but that’s not even trying.

 

[Orange Man Costume]

More detail on the arrested youtuber, from a pro-russian telegram.

Supposedly the guy was getting threats for his pro-russian takes on youtube and was about to fly to Russia when he was arrested. He's accused of "cooperation with Russia" and charged with treason. Latvia is a NATO country and a corrupt shithole so the guy is probably fucked, if this is true.

I also don't know which channel this is, or if youtube already deleted it.

 

[hooboy]

You’re giving Tuvalu and Liechtenstein the same weight as India and China.

I get that your schtick is dumb bait and not actual engagement, but that’s not even trying.

and yet you respond, probably because you know that retarded bait is still true.

it’s very brave of the great nations of syria, north korea, and belarus to support their comrade you have to admit!

 

[JosephStalin]

There's no point in arguing in this thread anymore. People have their minds made up on what's happening and only time will tell who was more accurate.

People are purposely forgetting the word cannon fodder exists for a reason and that it is an age old strategy to send in weaker forces first to probe and see what's what before risking good troops. People haven't seen any modern Russian anything but insist they are getting their shit pushed in. Russia has come out and said the bulk of the ground forces actually doing shit are the Donbaus militias and the actual Russian military is mostly doing support. All that's being ignored because Russia bad/USA military STRONK!

If you're blowing of steam shitpotying here go for it! Actual conversation about what's going on died a few hundred pages ago.

6 more days!

Would agree with you re "cannon fodder" if the Russian Army was the size, or near the size, of the old Red Army. It isn't. Russia simply doesn't have enough troops to carry this out unless they strip other garrisons and ask for help from other countries, both of which they have done. VDV are not "cannon fodder", least we didn't think them so until very recently. VDV are, or were, some of Russia's elite troops, supposedly on a par with the US 82nd or 101st Airborne Divisions.

Putin was betting on the come, that this would be another 2014, and the numbers and quality of forces would be sufficient. Didn't happen. Now he has many problems. He can only take so many troops from certain garrisons. Logistics needs fixing/improvement. Only sporadic air superiority. Tactics had to be reworked. WAY too many Russian sons, brothers, husbands, uncles, cousins, loved ones coming back to their families in boxes.

Just a shame to see so many good people die, period, due to one person's desires.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Isn't Russia still demanding demilitarization + some constitutional neutrality clause? I'll admit, I haven't been keeping up with the peace talks because they seemed to be going nowhere... either way, Zelensky still seems to be holding onto hopes of restoring the country to its pre-2014 borders for some reason, which I just don't see happening in any realistic scenario.

Yes. Last I checked, but things have probably changed since this has continued to go on, were recognition of the Eastern Donbaus Republics, demilitarization(which according to Russia has been accomplished via this invasion) a change in goverment, and Ukraine not join NATO.

That was a week or two ago and since this hasn't ended I'm sure Putins demands have increased.

 

[kuuu]

In the USSR, people queued endlessly, for everything. Your "saying" sounds like something you pulled out of your ass.

"Чем отличается капитализм от социализма? Во время войны при социализме люди стоят в очереди к военкоматам , а при капитализме к банкоматам."
Full saying. And everyone got everything they needed at the end of those "endless queues".

There's always a cost; that doesn't mean it isn't for the benefit of his people. Are you an American? - The Rebellion Revolutionary War was at a cost to the people who would go on to become a new nation.

what you've written not only does not contradict what I wrote, it actually agrees with it.

What are you on about? With time regular people only got benefits and securities from the government reduced. And it's only gonna get worse. Along with quality of medical care. Meanwhile his bunch of cronies only gets richer and richer by selling natural resources. Unless that's who you've meant by 'his' people - bunch of his oligarch friends in power.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Yes. Last I checked, but things have probably changed since this has continued to go on, were recognition of the Eastern Donbaus Republics, demilitarization(which according to Russia has been accomplished via this invasion) a change in goverment, and Ukraine not join NATO.

That was a week or two ago and since this hasn't ended I'm sure Putins demands have increased.

I'm sure we'll get some fascinating books about the negotiations that are going on right now between the two countries. Pity it will take a decade or two.

 

[PittyKitty]

Found eternall pole
(I mean, they SAVED them from the Nazis. ) yeah, Czechoslovakia anyone?
(They also saved them in record time, rushing to Poland's liberation.)

Have you heard of the 1st Belorussian Front? The closest thing to Warsaw resembling the Soviet army. Yeah, they got stopped by a German counter attack around Magnushevskiy bridgehead and couldn't possibly assist. The actual cause of the haphazard uprising was to liberate the city before the actual occupation by the Red Army troops in order to emphasize the independence of the Polish state, bring the organization government in exile to power, and force the USSR authorities to recognize the emigrant government.

Spoiler: Eternal Pole

Hej dziewczyno hej niebogo
Jakieś wojsko idzie drogą
Schowaj pieniądze schowaj zegarek
Kryj się kryj
A ja myślałem że to oni
Że to banda bande goni
A to Czerwoni! Czerwoni
Kryj się kryj
A ten gruby co na przedzie
Na kradzionym koniu jedzie
To Rokosowski Marszalek Polski
Kryj się kryj
A ja myślałem że to trzewik
Że to kryty słomą chlewik
A to Bolszewik
Bolszewik
Kryj się kryj
Przyjdą nocą zgwałcą srodze
Na kradzionej gdzieś podłodze
Zostawią z dzieckiem
Dzieckiem radzieckiem
Kryj się kryj
A ja myślałem że to śmieci
Że to gówno z nieba leci
A to Sowieci
Sowieci
Kryj się kryj
A ja myślałem że skrzek wroni
Że to kurwę alfons goni
A to Czerwoni
Czerwoni

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

it’s very brave of the great nations of syria

A nation backed by god, I'll never forget #PrayForAssad.

 

[bread n circuses]

You have a point, but you have to admit that outside of China whose help is only tenuous at best, the help from the other nations you've mentioned isn't gonna do much considering most of them are either struggling economically themselves, don't have really anything useful to offer, just really don't care enough about the conflict to send Russia any aid, or actively benefit from Russia flushing their economy down the toilet.

Russia is a resource extraction economy that also happens to produce a lot of basic foodstuffs. Lots of countries would benefit from increased trade with Russia. If the ruble weakens it means Russia can trade more favourably with them anyway.

It’s not about aid, it’s about willingness to deepen economic relations long term. China in particular is resource hungry and would love for Russia’s economy to be open to more Chinese FDI and development schemes. Russia isn’t North Korea, it’s sitting on the largest pile of natural resources on earth and Europe is going to take a deep long term economic blow while Asia receives a massive boon. Chinese support has made Iran a sanction-resilient economy with strong future prospects, Russia will be the same.

 

[Orange Man Costume]

I'm sure we'll get some fascinating books about the negotiations that are going on right now between the two countries. Pity it will take a decade or two.

"Harry Potter and the Negotiator of Kyiv", published by Marvel Comics

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

No, no he's not.
He doesn't want to give power to the west in this country, sure, I'll agree to that, but he is doing that at the cost of """"his"""" people. Guess who is gonna be affected by the sanctions the most?
And it's not his cronies or their kids going to the frontlines, except for that Kadyrov's stunt, but the guy is a dispensable nutso anyway.
All in all, I think Putin is cosplaying bootleg USA.

There is a saying: "In USSR people stood in a queue to the enlistment office. Nowadays people only queue in front of an ATM."

And no, I have no idea what could be a better alternative.

But the entire west is globohomo; therefore, anything against any part of the west is anti-globohomo; therefore, it is automatically based and I will defend it until /pol/ has it's opinion artificially changed.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Would agree with you re "cannon fodder" if the Russian Army was the size, or near the size, of the old Red Army. It isn't. Russia simply doesn't have enough troops to carry this out unless they strip other garrisons and ask for help from other countries, both of which they have done. VDV are not "cannon fodder", least we didn't think them so until very recently. VDV are, or were, some of Russia's elite troops, supposedly on a par with the US 82nd or 101st Airborne Divisions.

Putin was betting on the come, that this would be another 2014, and the numbers and quality of forces would be sufficient. Didn't happen. Now he has many problems. He can only take so many troops from certain garrisons. Logistics needs fixing/improvement. Only sporadic air superiority. Tactics had to be reworked. WAY too many Russian sons, brothers, husbands, uncles, cousins, loved ones coming back to their families in boxes.

Just a shame to see so many good people die, period, due to one person's desires.

Wars of aggression, IE any invasion of foreign territory, are unpopular for this very reason.

Why is someone in your family going off to die in the middle of fucking nowhere? Explain that to the common folk.

 

[IamnottheNSA]

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Why would anyone come up to armed soldiers to annoy and screech at them? What's the endgame here?
It's not like they'll just go "lol k bye".