Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Least Concern]

If you're keeping score, this means Zack (who has had multiple 6 figure campaigns) spent $25k to make a pamphlet about Reddit tards who volunteer to fight in Ukraine and annoying TikTokers, shit it out in a matter of weeks, and made less than $4,000 in what is clearly the worst performing campaign of his crowdfunding career and considers it a success.

Theory which I don't think has been brought up in this thread yet: Ya Boi's $25k figure includes a payment to himself at a decent hourly rate. I didn't see video(s) in which he mentioned this number, but I know in other vids he has said that he counts paying himself at a similar rate to what he made in his previous job doing 3D modeling or whatever it was into the financial calculations he makes. And I'm pretty sure he can commission a cover and print a couple hundred floppies for well less than $25k - but if he counts paying for himself for three months of work at a livable rate on top of that, it works out a bit better I think.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Oh absolutely. Nasser is a prime example. EVS got him back to basically square 1, but there was no great leap forward into the '6 figures young lady' category or anything close to it. The light of the Human Sunbeam cannot raise the dead.

Ethan helped CREEPSTERS to reach 17k, which is a number I'm happy with. I'm not entitled to a 6 figure campaign, but saying @FROG can't "raise the dead" is disingenuous became he wasn't pushing it every single stream like you're trying to make it seem.

 

[jspit2.0]

Once upon a time I think Zak did believe the things he said. but he let his desire to be loved by his heroes in mainstream comics biz take him off the path. When he began realizing he was forever their Hitler, his love of the medium began the decline. He's now at the bargaining stage of grief where he's shilling Children of the Atom level art as a good thing and Donnie Cates level writing as something akin to Chris Claremont.

That is very generous to ya boi.

Having expectations of others isn’t reasonable irl. Also, it’s fair to say the world of 2016-2017 which spawned Zack’s Diversity in Comics channel/Twitter just doesn’t exist. There has been real change, Zack responded to it in his own way. Becoming Internet Famous in the CG sphere was never part of a plan. Zack doesn’t seem to plan, he just does.

Disagree. Expectations aren't inherently unreasonable when you place yourself out there and criticize other people's principles/ideals.

 

[Mister Dongs]

"which speaks to the level he was able get backers to believe in the project."

Which speaks to the level 'EVS entire crew' was able to get backers to believe in the project, because very few in CG GAF'd about anime/manga (most still don't) and Liam did himself no favors. Without @FROG pushing that book hard, he would have never gotten a fraction of that. I remember a lot of 'Meh' in the chat and Ody being the attraction as the art was good enough to get some converts.

If that were the case though, why hasn't every project Frog pushed raised over $100 per backer?
A 200 page graphic novel drawn by someone Ody's caliber would be enough to draw an audience. No wonder Yellowflash is pissed at Liam for scuttling his chances of signing the lad.

As far as comparisons between Xenotype and DAMEGANG goes, I think there's a big difference between CG in 2018/2019 and mid-2021 regarding the audience's willingness to throw their money behind untested creators.

Whatever the case, Damegang's creator took the endorsement and made thumbnails so good I start to wonder if he's on our side.

 

[Stupendus]

Everybody ready for the "I need money for medical bills" arc just when his massive tax bill is due?

ALL READY HAS BEGUN.........

Word of caution to any new creators.... it seems like if you put a book out expect you or a family member will be in the hospital within the 1st week of launching...

 

[A nameless trool]

If that were the case though, why hasn't every project Frog pushed raised over $100 per backer?
A 200 page graphic novel drawn by someone Ody's caliber would be enough to draw an audience. No wonder Yellowflash is pissed at Liam for scuttling his chances of signing the lad.

As far as comparisons between Xenotype and DAMEGANG goes, I think there's a big difference between CG in 2018/2019 and mid-2021 regarding the audience's willingness to throw their money behind untested creators.

Whatever the case, Damegang's creator took the endorsement and made thumbnails so good I start to wonder if he's on our side.

Actually Liam did do Ody a favour: by being a fringe CG sensation Ody went unnoticed and has yet to be stalked by loonies (as far as I know).

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

ALL READY HAS BEGUN.........

Word of caution to any new creators.... it seems like if you put a book out expect you or a family member will be in the hospital within the 1st week of launching...

Sorry I posted that in the wrong thread! Meant for a different cow. Still funny tho, nice placement of that sensor - a doctor totally did that!

 

[Stupendus]

Sorry I posted that in the wrong thread! Different cow.

But it fit perfectly in here too.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

But it fit perfectly in here too.

It is tax season for these grifters, gonna be a lot of sad make-believe stories.

 

[A nameless trool]

Vikki gets a mention be Clownfish TV:

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[jspit2.0]

Vikki gets a mention be Clownfish TV:

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This is depressing...

Now Vikki is what counts as a stalker? Has she been tailing him to the neighborhood pizza parlors? Following his kids to school?

No. Vikki is not a stalker. She's not even a serious harasser, unless I'm missing something. She's someone who dislikes Frog and says mean, often times true, things on the internets.

Clownfish needs to read up on real stalkers here.

To date in 2022, zero Comicsgate crowdfund campaigns have passed 2000 backers, and only 4 did in 2021 (13 did in 2020). But I consider CG's future at this point being based on its ability to support, attract and retain content creators to carry the banner vs the alternative moreso than how many comics were printed. And that, like it or not, is going to mean a monetary incentive if one wants to include people capable of operating on a professional level. The idea of CG having any sort of appreciable impact on larger culture is, even now, so far from being anywhere near attainable that I don't consider it a success condition.

So far as Liam and Xenotype goes: Liam was the only Comicsgater in 2020 other than Frog to raise more than $100 USD per backer, which speaks to the level he was able get backers to believe in the project. But whether Xenotype was financially successful or not is a matter of controversy; it raised a lot of money but the costs involved, between the shipping from from Australia as well as paying both colorist Scotsman as well as Ody for 200 pages of art make whether it was profitable or not questionable, especially given the disputes involving both.

To me, Ya Boi Zack's (in)ability to pull more than 2000 backers isn't nearly as important as his failure to cross the $47,850 benchmark that separates the pareto point barrier between the "short head" top earners and the much more intense competition in the "long tail" that is the majority of Comicsgaters. It signified the moment Meyer's competition stopped being Tim Lim or the CG Kings and became the likes of the Diaz brothers, Mark Poulton and Slumtown CG.

To me, I think both matter. The fact that CG is a tiny little community of very dedicated pay piggies is important. It undermines their relevance argument.

The money matters on multiple layers. Richard's slid allot. Does he have farther he could slide?

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

This is depressing...

Now Vikki is what counts as a stalker? Has she been tailing him to the neighborhood pizza parlors? Following his kids to school?

No. Vikki is not a stalker. She's not even a serious harasser, unless I'm missing something. She's someone who dislikes Frog and says mean, often times true, things on the internets.

Clownfish needs to read up on real stalkers here.

One thing is for certain, nobody is going to mention anything about late & unfulfilled books anymore, they will be too scared. Mission accomplished..

 

[Analog Devolved]

Ethan helped CREEPSTERS to reach 17k, which is a number I'm happy with. I'm not entitled to a 6 figure campaign, but saying @FROG can't "raise the dead" is disingenuous became he wasn't pushing it every single stream like you're trying to make it seem.

17k is great Nasser. You're doing an awesome job so far. Creepsters is off too a good start as a franchise. While this site loves watching comic creators lose you are one of the few i actively root for success.
I dont like Creepy E but he does have a midas touch and you're well off in his good graces.

Also on the lolcow side, don't trust Donal "cuckold" DELAY

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Ethan helped CREEPSTERS to reach 17k, which is a number I'm happy with. I'm not entitled to a 6 figure campaign, but saying @FROG can't "raise the dead" is disingenuous became he wasn't pushing it every single stream like you're trying to make it seem.

Allow me to reiterate. @FROG can't raise the dead. For all his abilities, good heartedness, promotion, time and effort he put into rehabing you after your idiocy, he can't work miracles. You pissed off too many people and your books simply don't stand up to many others in CG. People made a choice and chose to take their money elsewhere.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

If that were the case though, why hasn't every project Frog pushed raised over $100 per backer?
A 200 page graphic novel drawn by someone Ody's caliber would be enough to draw an audience. No wonder Yellowflash is pissed at Liam for scuttling his chances of signing the lad.

As far as comparisons between Xenotype and DAMEGANG goes, I think there's a big difference between CG in 2018/2019 and mid-2021 regarding the audience's willingness to throw their money behind untested creators.

Whatever the case, Damegang's creator took the endorsement and made thumbnails so good I start to wonder if he's on our side.

"If that were the case though, why hasn't every project Frog pushed raised over $100 per backer?"

Well, I don't think he CAN make every book hit any given goal. There has to be something more than one guy's kudos even if it's @FROG. But CG isn't a Manga hotbed from the word go, so it's an uphill battle with those books to begin with. Plus, his heart isn't into Manga and he's open in his 'Meh' over it.

Now on the other hand, his ability to 'move the needle' on campaigns in general is pretty undeniable. I don't think in CG, and EVS 'kudos' will ever result in fewer sales. But the ultimate figure depends on the quality, attitude and willingness to push the book by it's creative team.

I agree that people have changed in their willingness toward new creators/content. That said, there's more releases than ever. People can afford to get selective.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

"If that were the case though, why hasn't every project Frog pushed raised over $100 per backer?"

Well, I don't think he CAN make every book hit any given goal. There has to be something more than one guy's kudos even if it's @FROG. But CG isn't a Manga hotbed from the word go, so it's an uphill battle with those books to begin with. Plus, his heart isn't into Manga and he's open in his 'Meh' over it.

Now on the other hand, his ability to 'move the needle' on campaigns in general is pretty undeniable. I don't think in CG, and EVS 'kudos' will ever result in fewer sales. But the ultimate figure depends on the quality, attitude and willingness to push the book by it's creative team.

I agree that people have changed in their willingness toward new creators/content. That said, there's more releases than ever. People can afford to get selective.

He certainly moves the needle, just not nearly as much as he used to be able to. It's been a steady decline of needle-moving and I don't see anything that can reverse that trend.

 

[Analog Devolved]

He certainly moves the needle, just not nearly as much as he used to be able to. It's been a steady decline of needle-moving and I don't see anything that can reverse that trend.

He will fry up some fresh drama when the time comes, be patient friend. The sweetest milk comes from the biggest cows.

ALL READY HAS BEGUN.........

Word of caution to any new creators.... it seems like if you put a book out expect you or a family member will be in the hospital within the 1st week of launching...

Great! Pics of TUGs daughter for all of her "fans". How wonderful...

 

[z0mb0]

One thing is for certain, nobody is going to mention anything about late & unfulfilled books anymore, they will be too scared. Mission accomplished..

didn't all they have to do was use the money they raised to hire a lawyer on a lawyer?

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

didn't all they have to do was use the money they raised to hire a lawyer on a lawyer?

IDK, all I know is people were forced to lock down and the economy was ravaged and small business destroyed, but hey, just use the money you have sitting in your bank from unfulfilled indiegogo campaigns to fund frivolous lolsuits the way a Comicsgater would. And if you can't, you're a bad person and you should feel bad!

 

[z0mb0]

IDK, all I know is people were forced to lock down and the economy was ravaged and small business destroyed, but hey, just use the money you have sitting in your bank from unfulfilled indiegogo campaigns to fund frivolous lolsuits the way a Comicsgater would. And if you can't, you're a bad person and you should feel bad!

yeah it was a rough time and people donated $1300 during it. help was offered and shot down. Is it really frivolous if he won? think they'd get that thrown out pretty quick.