Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

https://youtu.be/I1_t2VisYnY

Perun covers drones in this conflict notably how 'Turkish junk' turned expensive RU tanks and AA systems into scorched junk. The Turkish TB-2 has emerged as a star. He notes how Ukrainian drones were extensively jammed during the Donbass conflict. He notes the 'long tail' cost benefit of not losing flesh and blood soldiers. Cannot embed with the phone.

The answer to drones realistically so going to be electronic warfare. At the end of the day these drones aren't actually unmanned, theres always someone on the controls, they're just not IN the drone.

Finding a way to reliably disrupt controls or have the software crash is what 99% of military RnD is likely trying to figure out right now.

Though no one is ever going to complain about better AAA either.

The drones they were using in 2014 were soviet drones from the 70s, much much more rudimental and easier to counter. They didn't even carry lethal payloads.

 

[DumbDude42]

They'd get friendlier with Israel and nearby Arab nations to balance out the threat from Iran.

saudis already are somewhat friendly with the kikes though, aren't they? their anti iran coalition is already a thing, but both countries are extremely reliant on the americans to stay afloat. if the burgers were to pull out, i don't think the jews and saudis could really keep up the anti iran front.

well i guess it depends on if the americans abandon the whole region or just the saudis. if they leave the entire region then i think iran would quickly consolidate its power along the tehran - baghdad - damascus - beirut axis, start even more proxy wars and uprisings around the arabian peninsula to chip away at saudi power, and probably look towards jordan and egypt for a coalition to fully surround and isolate israel.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

saudis already are somewhat friendly with the kikes though, aren't they? their anti iran coalition is already a thing, but both countries are extremely reliant on the americans to stay afloat. if the burgers were to pull out, i don't think the jews and saudis could really keep up the anti iran front.

well i guess it depends on if the americans abandon the whole region or just the saudis. if they leave the entire region then i think iran would quickly consolidate its power along the tehran - baghdad - damascus - beirut axis, start even more proxy wars and uprisings around the arabian peninsula to chip away at saudi power, and probably look towards jordan and egypt for a coalition to fully surround and isolate israel.

That's a very optimistic scenario for Iran, but who knows. Saudis and Israelis definitely have a few tricks up their sleeve, and I can see the Turks joining the anti-Iran coalition if given proper motivation.

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/03/how-likely-turkeys-international-charm-offensive-succeed

 

[Lone MacReady]

Some smart guy is burning Russian humanitarian aid.
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Fucking retards. Reminds me of Generation Kill where Captain America is pissing on captured Taliban rice..... when the Americans could have eaten the rice themselves. "Hurr durr I'm denying the enemy"

 

[No. 7 cat]

The answer to drones realistically so going to be electronic warfare. At the end of the day these drones aren't actually unmanned, theres always someone on the controls, they're just not IN the drone.

Finding a way to reliably disrupt controls or have the software crash is what 99% of military RnD is likely trying to figure out right now.

Though no one is ever going to complain about better AAA either.

The drones they were using in 2014 were soviet drones from the 70s, much much more rudimental and easier to counter. They didn't even carry lethal payloads.

The operator is somewhere relatively or completely safe to the detriment of many goat herders while some American on a Virginia base deleted them from life. The Russians appear not have kept up with jamming efforts. I expect some Russian are pulling apart these Turkish drones or looking at their own evaluation stock (a portion of UA ex Soviet gear might be old stuff Western militaries bought for assessment), so this might change, but the Ukranians are getting a great variety of these systems. A Russian counter won't be easy.

 

[Meat Target]

The drones they were using in 2014 were soviet drones from the 70s

I am humbled to admit that I didn't know drone technology existed before the 1990s.

A quick Wikipedia search has taught me today that primitive, remote-controlled UAV prototypes existed as early as WW1.

 

[Mr Processor]

>Brazil
>Far away

Haha, you wish. Guess where you're going now, buddy?

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I also don't want to go to Brazil.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Even though "Ukraine is gonna do a total victory!" cope is hilarious. The Vatnik cope is giving it a run for it's money at this point.
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Nope, not like every other military on earth has come to the exact opposite conclusions or anything. There's a reason that they're being picked up by every country that can afford them, and that reason is simple: it fucking makes a difference.

 

[The Ugly One]

There is still however a chasm larger than anything else seen in history. Hesychasm is still highly controversial within Catholicism(Though it could be argued that the Catholics accepted it in the union of Brest). There is also the issue of the 3 heretical councils known as Trent, Vatican I, Vatican II. All cannons of these council would need to be evaluated at a new giant ecumenical council and toss out the ones that are found unorthodox. And from a quick look at my copy of the Byzantine lists (Lists over Latin(Catholic) heresies, Danish edition 2014) there are still around 174 outstanding issues theologically and practically that hinders union.

A core doctrine of the Catholic Church is that the pope rules over the entire Church with absolute, immediate, universal jurisdiction. This isn't changing, not now, not ever. In Catholic doctrine, there is not and cannot ever be any such thing as an autocephalous church because:

1. "absolute" means there is no aspect of church governance, liturgy, and teaching over which the pope lacks authority. If the Orthodox Churches were to enter communion with Rome, they would have to agree that their patriarchates and rites exist because the pope chooses to allow them to exist, for as long as he chooses to do so, and that he may change or abolish them as he chooses.
   
   
2. "immediate" means that the pope may, if he chooses, bypass the hierarchy entirely and issue orders to an individual parish or even layman; i.e., he has no obligation to gain approval from any council, patriarch, bishop, abbot, or clergy. For example, if the Russian Orthodox church were to join the Catholic Church in communion, it agrees that the pope has the right, if he so chooses, to direct an individual parish in Russia to send its icons to Rome. He may call a priest in Novosibirsk to the Vatican, or reassign him to India. He may order a parish in some random Siberian shithole to paint its walls magenta with green stripes. Any order he chooses to issue, no patriarch or bishop has the right to countermand.
   
   
3. "universal" means there can be no partition of the Church which is not fully submitted to the pope's authority. Autocephaly is not just disobedient, it is heretical. That is, not only would each of the Orthodox Churches agree that the pope has absolute, immediate jurisdiction over their churches, it would also have to agree that the very notion of a church over which the pope lacks such jurisdiction is a heresy, contradicting the voice of the Holy Spirit that spoke through the Church at the Vatican Council.

Additionally, the Orthodox Church must also agree that councils derive their authority from the pope, and that a council is "ecumenical" if and only if it is authorized and validated by the pope. This is a doctrine of the Church formally stated at Vatican I. Trent, Vatican I, and Vatican II are ecumenical councils, because the pope says they are, and the Orthodox Churches must agree to this for full communion with Rome. There is Z E R O chance that the Orthodox Church as a whole agrees to any of this.

 

[Arc]

If I had to guess his reasoning might be that they already think of Belarus as a participant because not only are they allowing Russian military supplies go through Belarus, but let Russian troops invade Ukraine through Belarus.

By that logic aren't all the countries that are sending weapons into Ukraine participating in the war?

 

[polyester]

By that logic aren't all the countries that are sending weapons into Ukraine participating in the war?

Well, they are.
It's just not in Russia's interest to recognize that.

 

[naffatune]

In the last thread, I made a post about a Telegram channel specifically focused on collecting photos of dead Russian and Ukrainian soldiers in order to identify them. They went by the handle "rf200_now".

Recently discovered that all their content is gone and their subscriber count went down the drain. I have no doubt that certain people reached out to them beforehand.

 

[Arc]

Well, they are.
It's just not in Russia's interest to recognize that.

I guess. But I assume it's not in their interest either, or they'd just declare it, no? Am I missing something?

 

[Lone MacReady]

A core doctrine of the Catholic Church is that the pope rules over the entire Church with absolute, immediate, universal jurisdiction. This isn't changing, not now, not ever. In Catholic doctrine, there is not and cannot ever be any such thing as an autocephalous church because:

1. "absolute" means there is no aspect of church governance, liturgy, and teaching over which the pope lacks authority. If the Orthodox Churches were to enter communion with Rome, they would have to agree that their patriarchates and rites exist because the pope chooses to allow them to exist, for as long as he chooses to do so, and that he may change or abolish them as he chooses.
   
   
2. "immediate" means that the pope may, if he chooses, bypass the hierarchy entirely and issue orders to an individual parish or even layman; i.e., he has no obligation to gain approval from any council, patriarch, bishop, abbot, or clergy. For example, if the Russian Orthodox church were to join the Catholic Church in communion, it agrees that the pope has the right, if he so chooses, to direct an individual parish in Russia to send its icons to Rome. He may call a priest in Novosibirsk to the Vatican, or reassign him to India. He may order a parish in some random Siberian shithole to paint its walls magenta with green stripes. Any order he chooses to issue, no patriarch or bishop has the right to countermand.
   
   
3. "universal" means there can be no partition of the Church which is not fully submitted to the pope's authority. Autocephaly is not just disobedient, it is heretical. That is, not only would each of the Orthodox Churches agree that the pope has absolute, immediate jurisdiction over their churches, it would also have to agree that the very notion of a church over which the pope lacks such jurisdiction is a heresy, contradicting the voice of the Holy Spirit that spoke through the Church at the Vatican Council.

Additionally, the Orthodox Church must also agree that councils derive their authority from the pope, and that a council is "ecumenical" if and only if it is authorized and validated by the pope. This is a doctrine of the Church formally stated at Vatican I. Trent, Vatican I, and Vatican II are ecumenical councils, because the pope says they are, and the Orthodox Churches must agree to this for full communion with Rome. There is Z E R O chance that the Orthodox Church as a whole agrees to any of this.

Seems like one of many reasons Protestants showed up.

 

[Residential Glowie]

Have the Russians captured any Javelins?

 

[biozeminadae1]

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I think he's yelling ZA SCOOOOOOO?

lmao, not even close to щ - it's more like sht or zsht

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

There's a reason that they're being picked up by every country that can afford them

And Russia can't really afford good optics, and that is the problem. Plus, they're just now trying to make optics standard issue. the AK-74M is still used by most Russian units and it doesn't have an integrated rail system like the AK-12 does. It can accept optics of course, it's just that Russia inherited Soviet doctrine which didn't care for optics in the slightest, and it took two decades of Russian arms manufacturers beating the drum that they need a new standard issue rifle that also includes a rail system to open the door for optics being standard issue. With how corrupt their military has been shown off from this though, even if they pushed for optics hard only a third of troops would probably actually get one, the rest going into some quartermaster's pocket.

By that logic aren't all the countries that are sending weapons into Ukraine participating in the war?

Rules for thee but not for me.

 

[Meat Target]

And Russia can't really afford good optics, and that is the problem. Plus, they're just now trying to make optics standard issue. the AK-74M is still used by most Russian units and it doesn't have an integrated rail system like the AK-12 does. It can accept optics of course, it's just that Russia inherited Soviet doctrine which didn't care for optics in the slightest, and it took two decades of Russian arms manufacturers beating the drum that they need a new standard issue rifle that also includes a rail system to open the door for optics being standard issue. With how corrupt their military has been shown off from this though, even if they pushed for optics hard only a third of troops would probably actually get one, the rest going into some quartermaster's pocket.

Rules for thee but not for me.

 

[kuuu]

Have the Russians captured any Javelins?

On the DPR front, yes, светящийся негр.

 

[White_N]

I am humbled to admit that I didn't know drone technology existed before the 1990s.

A quick Wikipedia search has taught me today that primitive, remote-controlled UAV prototypes existed as early as WW1.

Well, anyone interested in radio-controlled aircraft modeling essentially has a drone on their hands. You just need to attach explosives to a radio-controlled airplane with a drop mechanism, and voila, you have a weapon of unprecedented power that even a child can use.

P.S. Please do not bomb construction sites with radio-controlled helicopters. It's painful and difficult.