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Well to some degree yes, but it wouldn’t be this way, if society hadn’t conditioned so many people to feel ashamed for being themselves for so long, as corny as that may sound. Again in regards to their point, if Transgenderism is a mental illness like you say, aren’t you technically blaming them for something that they didn’t choose and they they have little to no control over. Taht really didn’t fair and these people really would benefit from people trying to understand them and giving them a helping hand. It’s very easy for you to say they’re all insane from the view of a non-trans person. But let’s one day their was some karmic force that transformed you and everyone else into a trans men or women, I guarantee you’d probably behave the exact same way to those you mock,

Its the same equivalent with any mental illness, for example we may be quick to judge the behavioof a schizophrenic, but you don’t have the same condition as them so how could you possibly understand how their minds operate. It’s an incredible cliche, but take a mile walk in these peoples shoes and I’m sure you wouldn’t be as critical.
Being born fucked up doesn't exculpate you from your actions, being surrounded by enablers who tell you every shitty and destructive impulse you have is ok, might. Not sure why you are choosing to enable destructive behaviors, but you clearly are.
 
Being born fucked up doesn't exculpate you from your actions, being surrounded by enablers who tell you every shitty and destructive impulse you have is ok, might. Not sure why you are choosing to enable destructive behaviors, but you clearly are.
I’m sorry but in some cases you could argue it does, a
Bipolar person does not have any control of their mood swings and possibly associated alcoholism and violent outbursts that are often a symptom of the illness, a schitzo cannot control the voices in their head nor can a transgender person with severe gender dysphoria and mental health and depression that comes across with that. If they are as fucked up as you say they are, it’s a clear sign of uncontrollable mental illness that they really don’t avec any agency in, these people need help, not to be stigmatised because of it.
 
I’m sorry but in some cases you could argue it does, a
Bipolar person does not have any control of their mood swings and possibly associated alcoholism and violent outbursts that are often a symptom of the illness, a schitzo cannot control the voices in their head nor can a transgender person with severe gender dysphoria and mental health and depression that comes across with that. If they are as fucked up as you say they are, it’s a clear sign of uncontrollable mental illness that they really don’t avec any agency in, these people need help, not to be stigmatised because of it.
I see you're broke brain in every aspect of your life so I think you should be able to relate, they (using a bipolar as an example), like you cannot control their mental illness (mental deficiency in your case). The fact that it messes with their mood (illiteracy in your case) cannot be helped, what they do when in a mania or depression is their choice and as they have agency. If they do not have agency, they are committed (usually indefinitely) because they are not fit to walk amongst normal people.
 
Now think of how it’s been for Transpeople, they have had even less support or acceptance from modern society until perhaps literally the beginning of the 21st century. It’s only been since maybe the early 2010s that there had been the push and acceptance that gays found in the 80s for trans people.
Transgenderism didn't exist significantly before the 1900s. It's a modern, culture bound phenomenon.

Its prominence now is a result of modern societal quirks in response to the internet and mass media.

Now, gender nonconforming behavior always existed, from just having different hobbies, to drag and homosexuality.

But specifically transgenderism (and transsexualism before it) is a very recent, artificial phenomenon.
 
Well to some degree yes, but it wouldn’t be this way, if society hadn’t conditioned so many people to feel ashamed for being themselves for so long, as corny as that may sound. Again in regards to their point, if Transgenderism is a mental illness like you say, aren’t you technically blaming them for something that they didn’t choose and they they have little to no control over. Taht really didn’t fair and these people really would benefit from people trying to understand them and giving them a helping hand. It’s very easy for you to say they’re all insane from the view of a non-trans person. But let’s one day their was some karmic force that transformed you and everyone else into a trans men or women, I guarantee you’d probably behave the exact same way to those you mock,

Its the same equivalent with any mental illness, for example we may be quick to judge the behavioof a schizophrenic, but you don’t have the same condition as them so how could you possibly understand how their minds operate. It’s an incredible cliche, but take a mile walk in these peoples shoes and I’m sure you wouldn’t be as critical.
This sort of misdirection serves little purpose. It is a mental illness, one that is being enabled by the state and small, but influential social and political groups. I don't need to understand how their minds operate to understand that they are harming themselves and harming others by their actions. Being mentally unsound doesn't remove responsibility for actions, it only explains the apparent motivation for those actions.
 
I see you're broke brain in every aspect of your life so I think you should be able to relate, they (using a bipolar as an example), like you cannot control their mental illness (mental deficiency in your case). The fact that it messes with their mood (illiteracy in your case) cannot be helped, what they do when in a mania or depression is their choice and as they have agency. If they do not have agency, they are committed (usually indefinitely) because they are not fit to walk amongst normal people.
Just because I’m sympathetic to such a huge group, lmao grow up. Many do, but since you are so quick to dismiss so many of them as the insane deviants as you think they are apparently, wouldn’t it be because they are mentally I’ll they don’t or have severely lessened degree of control over their actions than you or me. At the end of the day we’re still mocking something for someone who’s clearly in a lot of pain and is slowly losing grip on reality, taking the piss is clearly not the right answer and we should be seeking out helping them instead of venting our frustrations and actually doing something about this huge social problem.
 
Just because I’m sympathetic to such a huge group, lmao grow up. Many do, but since you are so quick to dismiss so many of them as the insane deviants as you think they are apparently, wouldn’t it be because they are mentally I’ll they don’t or have severely lessened degree of control over their actions than you or me. At the end of the day we’re still mocking something for someone who’s clearly in a lot of pain and is slowly losing grip on reality, taking the piss is clearly not the right answer and we should be seeking out helping them instead of venting our frustrations and actually doing something about this huge social problem.
I'm not doing any of that faggy shit because I'm not mentally defective like you. I'm laughing at the funny monkeys who dance for me and broadcast their monkey dances.
Unironically kill yourself, you're too dumb to even form sentences to a reasonable coherence, theres no way your "help" or pity will help anyone.
Or just keep dancing for me, ook ook
 
I'm not doing any of that faggy shit because I'm not mentally defective like you. I'm laughing at the funny monkeys who dance for me and broadcast their monkey dances.
Unironically kill yourself, you're too dumb to even form sentences to a reasonable coherence, theres no way your "help" or pity will help anyone.
I’m not insulted if you call me mentally defective simply because I don’t share the same weird opinions on trans people as you, do you think they’ll be another insult that bothers me, yeah think before you talk shit brah. and my help, being supportive to those who jut want to lead thsi lifestyle in peace, is a million times more helpful than just bitching about the problem like a douche and wanting them to just go away good luck with that cockhead imao.
 
I’m not insulted if you call me mentally defective simply because I don’t share the same weird opinions on trans people as you, do you think they’ll be another insult that bothers me, yeah think before you talk shit brah. and my help, being supportive to those who jut want to lead thsi lifestyle in peace, is a million times more helpful than just bitching about the problem like a douche and wanting them to just go away good luck with that cockhead imao.
You're not mentally defective merely for having dumb opinions, you are mentally defective for being barely literate and unable to distinguish between actions and experience.
And the pregnancy discount that your mother apparently got at the local liquor store before she had you, but that's more of a root cause than it is proof of your inadequacy.
 
You're not mentally defective merely for having dumb opinions, you are mentally defective for being barely literate and unable to distinguish between actions and experience.
And the pregnancy discount that your mother apparently got at the local liquor store before she had you, but that's more of a root cause than it is proof of your inadequacy.
What do you mean I am unable to distinguish between actions and experiences? If someone has something that prevents them from being able to function on societies level, to the point they are no longer thé same person and have no agency on what they do or how they act, that would literally excuse them their actions. That is what insanity défense is: it isn’t fair to blame the transgender community for everything they do because by your logic if they are crazy to that level, then they clearly shouldn’t be blamed being lumped with what is clearly a very denigrating mental illness that impedes their ability to function on a day to day basis.

It really isn’t fair to fast all blame to them for something that is akin to bipolar or schizophrenia by the farms logic.
 
What do you mean I am unable to distinguish between actions and experiences? If someone has something that prevents them from being able to function on societies level, to the point they are no longer thé same person and have no agency on what they do or how they act, that would literally excuse them their actions. That is what insanity défense is: it isn’t fair to blame the transgender community for everything they do because by your logic if they are crazy to that level, then they clearly shouldn’t be blamed being lumped with what is clearly a very denigrating mental illness that impedes their ability to function on a day to day basis.

It really isn’t fair to fast all blame to them for something that is akin to bipolar or schizophrenia by the farms logic.
If they are not culpable for their actions as you claim then they need either a wrangler, or an institution, because they are dangerous to themselves and others. Maybe you are qualified to help them after all, ask your parents where they found your wrangler and reach out with the contact info.
 
If they are not culpable for their actions as you claim then they need either a wrangler, or an institution, because they are dangerous to themselves and others. Maybe you are qualified to help them after all, ask your parents where they found your wrangler and reach out with the contact info.
Very funny, you should be on letterman, but seriously they probably should be, considering most people here think they are criminals anyway clearly a loony bin is the right option of course 🙄
 
I'm not sure if this is the right place for this, sorry if it isn't, but I wanted to share it with my fellow autists. I know I've been reading too much about trannies recently because I was listening to a beautiful song, and all the lyrics made me think of was a regretful tranny reflecting on his life.

But now it strikes me far too late again
That I was asking far too much
Of everyone around me
And now it strikes me far too late again
That I should answer for myself
As the ascension falls upon me
And now it frightens me
The thought against my chest
To think I was asking for a reason
Explaining why everything's a total mess
And now it frightens me
The dreams that I possess
To think I was acting like a believer
When I was just angry and depressed
And to everything, there is no meaning
A season of pain and hopelessness
I shouldn't have looked for revelation
I should have resigned myself to this
I thought I could change the world around me
I thought I could change the world for best
I thought I was called in convocation
I thought I was sanctified and blessed
But now it strengthens me
To know the truth at last
That everything comes from consummation
And everything comes with consequence
And I did it all with exultation
While you did it all with hopelessness
Yes, I did it all with adoration
While you killed it off with all of your holy mess
What now?

I'll take my puzzle pieces now
 
if Transgenderism is a mental illness like you say, aren’t you technically blaming them for something that they didn’t choose and they they have little to no control over.
You can choose to not wear Hello Kitty thigh-highs in public. You can choose to jerk off at home instead of the Walmart ladies' room. You can choose to not go to the library to groom kids.

If someone is so mentally gone that they actually can't stop from doing those things, metaphysical concepts of free will don't matter. They need to be locked away for the good of society, same as anybody else whose mental illness causes them to behave in socially destructive ways. This idea that since you don't "choose" to be crazy, society has to just let you inflict as much damage on it as your madness drives you to cause, is at the root of a lot of modern evils.
 
You can choose to not wear Hello Kitty thigh-highs in public. You can choose to jerk off at home instead of the Walmart ladies' room. You can choose to not go to the library to groom kids.

If someone is so mentally gone that they actually can't stop from doing those things, metaphysical concepts of free will don't matter. They need to be locked away for the good of society, same as anybody else whose mental illness causes them to behave in socially destructive ways. This idea that since you don't "choose" to be crazy, society has to just let you inflict as much damage on it as your madness drives you to cause, is at the root of a lot of modern evils.
I’m not saying all of them are this way that’s not what I meant, I mean for mocking the smaller behaviours and those that may get pissed for the things we mock like misgendering spergouts and a lot of their political beliefs. It may be because they feel so insecure in their identity and feel so oppressed being transgender, rightfully so since it is still a fairly rare and taboo thing in our society. This anger is maybe not out of mental illness but an understandable fear for their own safety considering peoples continued general fear and transphobia in modern day society.

I’m not saying mental illness should excuse all people from any bad thing they do, I’m saying that we should try to be more sympathetic to those who actually are ‘crazy’ and do act the way they are because of clear mental illnesses brought on by gender dysphoria and criollo g anxieties associated with it. I’m not denying that there aren’t probably a fair few that do bullshit and are using the guise of mental illness to gain clout and commit dangerously deviant behaviour and crimes. But those guys should not be taken seriously and dealt with by law anyway.

No I mean we should still protect people from trans people acting crazy and find them help if they are causing harm to themselves and the community, but we should go about it with the mindset of sympathy, and not vitriol or half hearted restraining like dealing with children. Try and see the world from their level, many of them feel so alone in their cause and it can’t help to be demonised from so many here and IRL. Trying to understand them and trying to coach them out of their dangerous behaviours whilst still allowing them validity as a trans person and saying they can still be who they want to be as long as they aren’t harming themselves or anyone else is the way to go. A bit of kindness can go a long way.
 
feel so oppressed being transgender, rightfully so since it is still a fairly rare and taboo thing in our society. This anger is maybe not out of mental illness but an understandable fear for their own safety considering peoples continued general fear and transphobia in modern day society.
They're not oppressed in any fashion , in fact they're catered to at every level of society.
commit dangerously deviant behaviour and crimes.
From the surgeons mutilating people to the rock spiders doing library story hour , it's all dangerously deviant behavior and crimes.
dealing with children.
They are children and should be dealt with as such.
validity as a trans person
Utterly fucking deluded

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They're not oppressed in any fashion , in fact they're catered to at every level of society.

From the surgeons mutilating people to the rock spiders doing library story hour , it's all dangerously deviant behavior and crimes.

They are children and should be dealt with as such.

Utterly fucking deluded

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I didn’t mean all of them, I don’t doubt that there probably is a lot of transsexuals who are bull whiting to gain clout and use it as an excuse to be as antisocial as possible, but the majority do just want to be left In peace and I feel the ways we go about it is wrong. We should try looking at things from their level, get into their heads, it’s easy for us to judge as outsiders but it isn’t fair since we aren’t trans so how could we possibly know. Trans people are oppressed in the way not in any surface level, but the huge amounts of vitriol there is from people here and many who bully and show disgust at someone just for being trans. This is understandable considering a lot of them are real problems, but even so people I think here take their hatred way too far and do not acknowledge their are decent, nice and grounded trans people who are no less intelligent than you and I. I wish people would acknowledge them.
 
I genuinelly feel like trannies have pushed me to believe the slippery slope is real. I'm a dyke but everytime I see what my own people/community do and enable everytime we get a scrap of social power I get humiliated. Even before current year all the fucked up sex change experiements and pedophilia activism where by gay groups. It's disgusting. I can't even claim we had nothing to do with trans topics being so mainstream and kids being groomed.
 
I genuinelly feel like trannies have pushed me to believe the slippery slope is real. I'm a dyke but everytime I see what my own people/community do and enable everytime we get a scrap of social power I get humiliated. Even before current year all the fucked up sex change experiements and pedophilia activism where by gay groups. It's disgusting. I can't even claim we had nothing to do with trans topics being so mainstream and kids being groomed.
You don't have to call them "your people." You can just be gay and not affiliate with any of the retarded pride movements that try to normalize hypersexuality and pedophilia.

On another note, I'm currently MATI for the way that impressionable kids are being given unsupervised access to the internet. It's obvious that the rise of troonery is caused by young confused teens being bombarded with propaganda on Twitter and Reddit. But what can anybody do? Most parents are unable to police what their children are exposed to online, and nobody seems concerned about this very real issue. These kids are growing up with completely warped views of reality. I feel for the parents who are worried about their child's safety online but lack the ability to do anything about it.

The trans community refuses to see anything wrong with this, of course, despite the fact that by their own admission living a trans life is full of nothing but hardship and discrimination. Instead of being responsible adults and warning these kids that trooning out has serious lifelong ramifications, they squeal with delight, furiously jerk their girldicks, and shower them with praise and encouragement.
 
Try and see the world from their level, many of them feel so alone in their cause and it can’t help to be demonised from so many here and IRL. Trying to understand them and trying to coach them out of their dangerous behaviours whilst still allowing them validity as a trans person and saying they can still be who they want to be as long as they aren’t harming themselves or anyone else is the way to go. A bit of kindness can go a long way.

Many of the people who post in the tranny threads aren't here to demonize trans people. They found their way here because it's one of the only places to talk openly about the trans elephant in the room.

Kindness and understanding mean jack shit once you witness the effects of institutional capture by the trans lobby.
 
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