Do Beyond meat (tm) and other types of derivates that Fast Food chains buy wholesale cost THEM more or less than equivalent meat? - Curiou

[TheTrumanShow]

I imagine Kiwifarms has a vast array of people and this has always been something I wondered, especially since the last 2-3 years with the big push everywhere to spread this.

Public corporations rarely do something out of the goodness of their hearts, they don't have any. Private businesses, yes but corporations are accountable only to their stockholders and although there is a large segment of vegans and vegetarians out there, I get the feeling that much of the advertisement is focused on the yet to become vegans and vegetarians.


Any middle managers or people with insight that know?
The rest of you are of course free to speculate.

 

[Akashic Retard]

Speculation: Bio-engineered veggie slop is cheap to produce and very trendy right now with certain demographics. There's a reason even the fed is on this bandwagon and is telling you to eat lentils instead of meat. If you transition voluntarily to eating bio-engineered veggie slop, you won't mind when meat becomes prohibitively expensive because of their actions and won't blame them.

A far more detailed and comprehensive explanation of this perspective by someone smarter than me

 

[Red Hood]

Speculation: Bio-engineered veggie slop is cheap to produce and very trendy right now with certain demographics. There's a reason even the fed is on this bandwagon and is telling you to eat lentils instead of meat. If you transition voluntarily to eating bio-engineered veggie slop, you won't mind when meat becomes prohibitively expensive because of their actions and won't blame them.

I would add that it probably has higher market and can be marketed as "healthy" or "eco friendly" even though it's not.

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[byuu]

and is telling you to eat lentils instead of meat.

Nothing wrong with a nice traditional lentil stew. Cheap, nutritious, and tastes far better than those fake burgers.

 

[Testacles Maximus]

All I know is the production of vegan foods is responsible for mangling thousands of field animals with farming equipment and is therefore not environmentally friendly.

 

[TheTrumanShow]

Speculation: Bio-engineered veggie slop is cheap to produce and very trendy right now with certain demographics. There's a reason even the fed is on this bandwagon and is telling you to eat lentils instead of meat. If you transition voluntarily to eating bio-engineered veggie slop, you won't mind when meat becomes prohibitively expensive because of their actions and won't blame them.

A far more detailed and comprehensive explanation of this perspective by someone smarter than me

Yeah I know, but as poster two said, this stuff can be marketed and I know that the equivalent when bought in the store is often more expensive than the cheaper chopped meat. ALso some of these concoctions are extremely complex and probably take some effort to produce, check the ingredient list for these beyond burgers on their homepage for example.


It could be just an ill-conceived PR trick that builds brand or something. But yeah if someone has the numbers it would be cool to know.

 

[Akashic Retard]

Yeah I know, but as poster two said, this stuff can be marketed and I know that the equivalent when bought in the store is often more expensive than the cheaper chopped meat. ALso some of these concoctions are extremely complex and probably take some effort to produce, check the ingredient list for these beyond burgers on their homepage for example.

There’s not a simple explanation for this and I’m not about to type an essay because I don’t care that much about convincing you. I think the link I posted will answer a lot of your questions. Suffice it to say that veggies are cheaper to produce (for a variety of reasons) and quicker to get to market than meat, and the binders and preservatives used in the bio burgers are not unique to beyond meat. The name of an ingredient being unpronounceable does not make it complex and expensive to produce. In some cases they are even by products of other manufacturing processes.

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

ALso some of these concoctions are extremely complex and probably take some effort to produce

They'll give you the "good stuff" now. Then when they transition to slop your only complaint will be "it's not as good as it used to be". Not "they're replacing my beef with slop". If they trick you gradually your brain doesn't notice you've been tricked.

 

[Uncle Sid]

My guess is that fucking beans are cheaper than beef, but I don't have the data to prove it. You know these fake meat companies are adding in some stupid amount of markup because they have "brands" for their bean paste.

 

[TheTrumanShow]

There’s not a simple explanation for this and I’m not about to type an essay because I don’t care that much about convincing you. I think the link I posted will answer a lot of your questions. Suffice it to say that veggies are cheaper to produce (for a variety of reasons) and quicker to get to market than meat, and the binders and preservatives used in the bio burgers are not unique to beyond meat. The name of an ingredient being unpronounceable does not make it complex and expensive to produce. In some cases they are even by products of other manufacturing processes.

I probably know more about this than you, I just dont want to guessestimate.

 

[Dysnomia]

I would add that it probably has higher market and can be marketed as "healthy" or "eco friendly" even though it's not.

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I consider fake meat entertainment products because they make soys make soy faces.

I think that people have no idea what to do with vegan substitutes unless a fast food place smashes them into a sodium filled patty and calls it Beyond meat. They are clueless as to how to make anything that requires more thought than open box, turn on microwave. You could make cheaper, healthier vegan foods at home. No one is encouraging vegan cooking here. The whole push is on this fast food fake meat garbage. And bugs. Eat the bugs.

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

Hey. Asshole. You wanna be a vegetarian, you don't get to cheat.

Enjoy your salad.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Hey. Asshole. You wanna be a vegetarian, you don't get to cheat.

Enjoy your salad.

Pretty much.

There’s a lot of shit you can do with tofu for example, if you didn’t try to force it to be a straight replacement for meat. It really, really likes chilis for example.

 

[DaBigBopper]

It's mostly beets and like a mix of thirty other undigestible ingredients. There is a lot of sodium with the dye they use. It's fairly cheap, but it's not actually nutritious. You need to actually pile other shit on your burger (no fried egg, though) for it to actually satiate you.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Beyond Meat is vile. I saw the nutrition and ingredient list for the "beyond sausage" at Pizza Hut and it was a horror show. An entire paragraph of chemicals, with primary ingredients being salt and corn syrup. Pound for pound it also had more calories, sugar and sodium then actual Italian sausage.

Vegans are fucked in the head if they think their plant based industrial goo is more healthy then the actual thing.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Beyond Meat is vile. I saw the nutrition and ingredient list for the "beyond sausage" at Pizza Hut and it was a horror show. An entire paragraph of chemicals, with primary ingredients being salt and corn syrup. Pound for pound it also had more calories, sugar and sodium then actual Italian sausage.

Vegans are fucked in the head if they think their plant based industrial goo is more healthy then the actual thing.

well theres youre problem. youre eating pizza hut. no fuckin wonder.

 

[Xarpho]

Beyond Meat is expensive to produce. It’s not just throwing some meat into a blender, it’s making a frankenfood type combination with (and I’m quoting this): “ water, pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, cocoa butter, mung bean protein, methylcellulose, potato starch, apple extract, salt, potassium chloride, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, sunflower lecithin, pomegranate fruit powder, and beet juice extract (the beet juice give the burger its meat-like “blood”).”

A number of those ingredients are more expensive to procure and add, like mung beans (that has to be imported).

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Beyond Meat is expensive to produce. It’s not just throwing some meat into a blender, it’s making a frankenfood type combination with (and I’m quoting this): “ water, pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, cocoa butter, mung bean protein, methylcellulose, potato starch, apple extract, salt, potassium chloride, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, sunflower lecithin, pomegranate fruit powder, and beet juice extract (the beet juice give the burger its meat-like “blood”).”

A number of those ingredients are more expensive to procure and add, like mung beans (that has to be imported).

Just the transportation of so much ingredients makes them already worse for the environment than beef.
Sadly modern environmentalism is convinced that transportation and creation have zero ecological impact.

 

[Bonesjones]

There's a reason every tribe worldwide eats tomatoes, garlic, peppers, and chicken. Its the cheapest easiest thing to eat. Chickens eat bugs and food scraps. You get protein filled eggs and meat in exchange.

 

[Furry Troon]

There’s a lot of shit you can do with tofu for example, if you didn’t try to force it to be a straight replacement for meat. It really, really likes chilis for example.

used to think tofu fucking sucked until I stopped being retarded and googled how to do it

if you press the water out, marinade it & then fry it in corn starch, then coat with a sauce of choice, it's a banger