Sex offenders won't be groping people in the dealer den. They don't need to register for the con if they can just skulk around the party floor looking for someone to daterape.
Congratulations to Megaplex for putting it right in the "No thanks, I don't want to receive promotional emails" part of every form.
We need to start making more threads on diaper furs and babyfurs I feel like despite the horrifying existence we could come up with a plethora of content and insanity.
Very few diaper/baby furs deserve their own threads. There isn't enough to differentiate one from another, much less enough to milk to sustain a lasting thread. Give them their own catch-all thread like the Sergals, TF Community, etc, but fuck no on creating individual threads for them.
Very few diaper/baby furs deserve their own threads. There isn't enough to differentiate one from another, much less enough to milk to sustain a lasting thread. Give them their own catch-all thread like the Sergals, TF Community, etc, but fuck no on creating individual threads for them.
And even group threads aren't warranted sometimes. Some kinks/subcultures are insane/lulzy at a first glance, but are actually very samey in the long run so any threads made on them either die or get very repetitive. These people are best used to sprinkle some content on the megathreads whenever they do something particularly idiotic.
Very few diaper/baby furs deserve their own threads. There isn't enough to differentiate one from another, much less enough to milk to sustain a lasting thread. Give them their own catch-all thread like the Sergals, TF Community, etc, but fuck no on creating individual threads for them.
“When everyone is super, no one will be.”
Literally everybody involved with ABDL is a lolcow. It’s no secret. However, they’re all lolcows for the same reason and they’re all exceptional faggots. It takes true exceptionality to be a babyfur to begin with. If we made a thread for every babyfur or even a babyfur mega thread there would be plenty of content, but none of it would be original or novel. It’s the same gimmick. After a while it loses its punch.
Gotta be honest, this Cyan character strikes quite a few checkboxes to deserve his own thread. He's eerily similar to Jin/Retroyote in terms of paraphilias: the creepy little-play and baby talk, unabashed ABDL, openly shows his face (and everything else he flaunts on social media,) and even advertises an alt on Twitter full of his plushie-fucking.
He should count himself lucky that his stunt didn't result in a shitstorm comparable to Rainfurrest, but it came close. And he's totally unashamed of doing it, too.
I'd only disagree because he simply doesn't seem to yet be proven to produce enough milk. Like cum pizza boy, to get a thread you must produce milk often enough to produce a healthy active thread. Occasional periods of inactivity is fine, but the default state needs to be activity. Many furries only produce milk at cons, and are otherwise not worth making a thread for.
A big part of why the BDSM community finds it easier to function in society is the focus on keeping things discreet and consensual. It's well known amongst that community what they are into is publicly frowned on, so they all keep shit discreet for themselves and each other, and make sure consent is king. Otherwise it can cause some serious problems socially and some pretty nasty psychological damage could be done. It's why that community practices ostracization so intensely. I never understood how the furries never developed similar standards. Though, the BDSM community is significantly less rainbow than the furries. After all, a straight cis furry is practically unheard of, while the BDSM community is only slightly gayer than the general population. Most of the gay people over there have self segregated or been kicked out for exposing the public to their shit, and when you got the motto "safe, sane, and consensual" and you got some asshole exposing the unconsenting public to their kinks, yeah they're going to be booted.
Either way, considering how pride parades have been going for years I wonder if the connection is there. Not saying all LGBT people are dysfunctional coom obsessed degenerates, I technically fall in that group and I'm definitely on the functional side of society in that respect, but I do think the movement has its issues with such things and has influenced the furry community likewise. Something about faggots makes them be out in the open degenerates. Straight people, despite being far more numerous and having hit the same depths, tend to be more discreet faggots on average.
In response to Twitter demanding cons do something about the presence of sex offenders at cons, Megaplex has implemented a bulletproof, top-of-the-line verification system to prevent these people from appearing at the con.
I can't wait for the meltdown when it's revealed that someone lied and got in. Megaplex will be blamed for giving them a pass, bending the rules, or not doing enough.
Sex offenders won't be groping people in the dealer den. They don't need to register for the con if they can just skulk around the party floor looking for someone to daterape.
Congratulations to Megaplex for putting it right in the "No thanks, I don't want to receive promotional emails" part of every form.
I'm curious to see some numbers on how many megaplex "attendees" are actually at the con with tickets and all that versus how many are "just in the area" and are only involved with unofficial stuff running alongside it like room parties and the like while "just so happening to be staying at the same location". This little checkbox won't stop any of such people even if they are otherwise honest enough to obey it.
This is a big part of why a lot of the personal lolcows I know of are generally not worth bringing up. They don't have enough drama, or what they have is all IRL. Nothing to point and laugh at or discuss.
when you got the motto "safe, sane, and consensual" and you got some asshole exposing the unconsenting public to their kinks, yeah they're going to be booted.
As much as I think the BDSM communities have a bunch of compensating sexual losers in it, I can at least respect their sense of decency towards the general population.
A big part of why the BDSM community finds it easier to function in society is the focus on keeping things discreet and consensual. It's well known amongst that community what they are into is publicly frowned on, so they all keep shit discreet for themselves and each other, and make sure consent is king. Otherwise it can cause some serious problems socially and some pretty nasty psychological damage could be done. It's why that community practices ostracization so intensely. I never understood how the furries never developed similar standards. Though, the BDSM community is significantly less rainbow than the furries. After all, a straight cis furry is practically unheard of, while the BDSM community is only slightly gayer than the general population. Most of the gay people over there have self segregated or been kicked out for exposing the public to their shit, and when you got the motto "safe, sane, and consensual" and you got some asshole exposing the unconsenting public to their kinks, yeah they're going to be booted.
Either way, considering how pride parades have been going for years I wonder if the connection is there. Not saying all LGBT people are dysfunctional coom obsessed degenerates, I technically fall in that group and I'm definitely on the functional side of society in that respect, but I do think the movement has its issues with such things and has influenced the furry community likewise. Something about faggots makes them be out in the open degenerates. Straight people, despite being far more numerous and having hit the same depths, tend to be more discreet faggots on average.
You sort of answered your own question there. The BDSM community in general can be pretty strict with its standards and is not afraid to cast people out if they cross the line. The problem is that the furries started out as the outcasts. Even back in the 70s when they were just offshoots of the sci-fi and cartoon fandoms, everybody thought they were weird.
It's the same bullshit that happened with Inkbunny. When your big reason for existing is letting people do shit that the mainstream (FurAffinity in this case) won't let you, your userbase becomes infested with people who were already banned from the mainstream. And when the LGBT movement pivoted away from "we're normal people just like you!" to "we're all special snowflakes and every sexual representation is good and valid uwu!", furries were primed and ready to jump into the bandwagon.
Back when I started following furry drama, almost 25 years ago, there was definitely a high proportion of gays in the fandom compared to the general population, but it was nothing like what it is today. There were always open degenerates (those exist in every group, really), but the general attitude was more like Uncle Kage's: do whatever shit you want in private, but keep the fandom's public image in mind. It was relatively easy to denounce them and push them out of the main "furry" spaces of the time so they congregated into small, mostly peer-to-peer groups like chat rooms. Then social media happened. Between enabling public oversharing to an absurd degree, and being third-party platforms the old-school gatekeepers had no influence over, twitter and reddit (and tumblr before them) became safe havens for the degenerates. Around the same time the Venn diagram between LGBT and furries became two concentric circles and the degenerates took over as gatekeeping became haram.
tl;dr, furries were always outcasts, and gatekeeping is now "discrimination" so the rotten apples don't get thrown out as they should.
As much as I think the BDSM communities have a bunch of compensating sexual losers in it, I can at least respect their sense of decency towards the general population.
Oh yeah, in my years in the community, which honestly is most of my adult life now, fuck I am a degenerate, I have concluded that on average about 3 out of 10 of the people in it are absolute losers and creeps. The number is honestly kept down due to most of them being kicked out. Everyone in it is a bit weird by its nature, but most are functional, and I'd say its pretty 50/50 on if someone actually has issues that they should be coping with in better ways or not. At least around here it makes me kind of happy that if someone is actually fucked up, the local scene will usually tell them to get professional help rather than coping through sex, and that's mostly just because we don't want to deal with the problems that come with those trying to drown their problems through indulgence.
You sort of answered your own question there. The BDSM community in general can be pretty strict with its standards and is not afraid to cast people out if they cross the line. The problem is that the furries started out as the outcasts. Even back in the 70s when they were just offshoots of the sci-fi and cartoon fandoms, everybody thought they were weird.
Strict is an understatement. I happen to know someone in my local scene knows I use this site, and I know they are in this thread, and I know they know which account is mine, and I will absolutely get chewed out for discussing this on a public forum. There's a reason the BDSM community doesn't have as strong of a presence on mainstream social media, but instead sticks near entirely to its own sites.
It's the same bullshit that happened with Inkbunny. When your big reason for existing is letting people do shit that the mainstream (FurAffinity in this case) won't let you, your userbase becomes infested with people who were already banned from the mainstream. And when the LGBT movement pivoted away from "we're normal people just like you!" to "we're all special snowflakes and every sexual representation is good and valid uwu!", furries were primed and ready to jump into the bandwagon.
Back when I started following furry drama, almost 25 years ago, there was definitely a high proportion of gays in the fandom compared to the general population, but it was nothing like what it is today. There were always open degenerates (those exist in every group, really), but the general attitude was more like Uncle Kage's: do whatever shit you want in private, but keep the fandom's public image in mind. It was relatively easy to denounce them and push them out of the main "furry" spaces of the time so they congregated into small, mostly peer-to-peer groups like chat rooms. Then social media happened. Between enabling public oversharing to an absurd degree, and being third-party platforms the old-school gatekeepers had no influence over, twitter and reddit (and tumblr before them) became safe havens for the degenerates. Around the same time the Venn diagram between LGBT and furries became two concentric circles and the degenerates took over as gatekeeping became haram.
I am too young to have been particularly aware of furries way back then, but it does make me wonder how furry went from "kinda gay" to "puking rainbows". What makes gay people so much more likely to be furfags?
Strict is an understatement. I happen to know someone in my local scene knows I use this site, and I know they are in this thread, and I know they know which account is mine, and I will absolutely get chewed out for discussing this on a public forum. There's a reason the BDSM community doesn't have as strong of a presence on mainstream social media, but instead sticks near entirely to its own sites.
I went light on how strict I think the BDSM community is because I've got a friend who's way into that and he likes telling me the horror stories that get shared in the circles he's a part of. So my view might be a little biased.
Since we're here, what are the BDSM crowd's thoughts about "kink at pride" and all those public puppy players? I can't imagine someone who's going for "safe, sane and consensual" would be happy to see that sort of public insanity.
I am too young to have been particularly aware of furries way back then, but it does make me wonder how furry went from "kinda gay" to "puking rainbows". What makes gay people so much more likely to be furfags?
Same reason: being outcasts and taking pride in it.
You'll notice that furries went balls to the wall with genderspecial, uwuqweer and tranny bullshit. You can scarcely find a "normal" gay furry these days, someone who identifies as a man who likes other men, and doesn't "question their gender" or plaster flags and pronouns all over their profile. And that's for a good reason, too: despite homophobia still being a thing (and I mean actual discrimination against gay people, not just calling people faggots in a videogame), the war for "gay rights" was won in 2015 when the Supreme Court judged on Obergefell v. Hodges and states were forced to recognize gay marriage. Suddenly, simply "being gay" wasn't enough oppression anymore, it didn't make you enough of an outcast, and that's when you saw furries moving en masse from "I'm gay!" to "I'm queer!" or "I'm trans!".
Ironically, you're more likely to find non-genderqueer gay furries among more "conservative" communities these days.
It's a Red Queen's race of sorts: you have to run at full speed just so you can remain in place. Since the subculture's whole social structure is based on being outcasts, the more accepted they become on the mainstream, the harder they have to try to present as unique, different and special so they can justify their status. It's no coincidence that a lot of otherwise "quiet" furry kinksters went full public after Zootopia. They thought the fandom was about to become mainstream, and a lot of these people couldn't take being considered "normies". They felt they had to be shocking.
Since we're here, what are the BDSM crowd's thoughts about "kink at pride" and all those public puppy players? I can't imagine someone who's going for "safe, sane and consensual" would be happy to see that sort of public insanity.
eh, I've known the same people who are anal about public image later host rope munches where they're tying up people in a public park midday. Public degeneracy is fine so long as it's got their preferred aesthetics
I went light on how strict I think the BDSM community is because I've got a friend who's way into that and he likes telling me the horror stories that get shared in the circles he's a part of. So my view might be a little biased.
It's pretty intense. Most of it is to ensure safety and discretion. The community often has people whose public reputation matters, so protecting that is a priority, and so the efforts to keep them safe is applied to everyone. I know people who got the boot for using titles in public too many times and being overheard, or for their day collar not being discreet enough. This isn't obvious kink stuff, this is just not meeting a rather draconian level of rules of discretion. I recommend most people to not wear day collars that are literally collars or necklaces, but to stick to bracelets and anklets so they don't have to deal with the obnoxious rules as much.
And then, oh god I could tell you horror stories about parties and the rules on etiquette that there are and making sure you don't ever recognize that you've met anyone through the community outside of them.
I got involved during my last year of high school (I had already turned 18, don't panic), I ran into a from my high school teacher at a party. We didn't do anything, but we acknowledged each other with a "don't worry neither of us saw anything" and continued on with our night, was it awkward? Yes, but it wasn't a big deal. We forgot about it on the way out the door like everything else we did that night.
A few months later we both get chewed out because someone else in the local scene noticed us talking in a grocery store. Which was bullshit.
The teacher was giving me his condolences for the death of my grandmother. They went to the same church, but this other guy knew we had talked once at a party and assumed we were breaking the "you never met anyone here" rule. Controlling asshole. I understand why we have rules, but sometimes they are enforced too strongly with no consideration that we might know people from other places. I also got in shit once for going on a date with my girlfriend, because someone assumed we only knew each other from the BDSM community, as anytime we showed up we didn't make it obvious we were a couple and would occasionally go off independently of each other.
Since we're here, what are the BDSM crowd's thoughts about "kink at pride" and all those public puppy players? I can't imagine someone who's going for "safe, sane and consensual" would be happy to see that sort of public insanity.
So generally it's not liked. There's two times public kink is not considered absolutely abhorrent.
At conventions, and even then it's only okay in con spaces and your room. You're expected to cover up or move quickly directly to your room and not loiter in the halls or lobby of the hotel.
The other time are events that are properly advertised and all proper efforts have been taken to prevent the public from stumbling onto it. Sometimes pride events take those efforts, and they generally get a pass if they do. Though that's pretty much the absolute limit of what's ok.
eh, I've known the same people who are anal about public image later host rope munches where they're tying up people in a public park midday. Public degeneracy is fine so long as it's got their preferred aesthetics
It's pretty intense. Most of it is to ensure safety and discretion. The community often has people whose public reputation matters, so protecting that is a priority, and so the efforts to keep them safe is applied to everyone. I know people who got the boot for using titles in public too many times and being overheard, or for their day collar not being discreet enough. This isn't obvious kink stuff, this is just not meeting a rather draconian level of rules of discretion. I recommend most people to not wear day collars that are literally collars or necklaces, but to stick to bracelets and anklets so they don't have to deal with the obnoxious rules as much.
And then, oh god I could tell you horror stories about parties and the rules on etiquette that there are and making sure you don't ever recognize that you've met anyone through the community outside of them.
I got involved during my last year of high school (I had already turned 18, don't panic), I ran into a from my high school teacher at a party. We didn't do anything, but we acknowledged each other with a "don't worry neither of us saw anything" and continued on with our night, was it awkward? Yes, but it wasn't a big deal. We forgot about it on the way out the door like everything else we did that night.
A few months later we both get chewed out because someone else in the local scene noticed us talking in a grocery store. Which was bullshit.
The teacher was giving me his condolences for the death of my grandmother. They went to the same church, but this other guy knew we had talked once at a party and assumed we were breaking the "you never met anyone here" rule. Controlling asshole. I understand why we have rules, but sometimes they are enforced too strongly with no consideration that we might know people from other places. I also got in shit once for going on a date with my girlfriend, because someone assumed we only knew each other from the BDSM community, as anytime we showed up we didn't make it obvious we were a couple and would occasionally go off independently of each other.
So generally it's not liked. There's two times public kink is not considered absolutely abhorrent.
At conventions, and even then it's only okay in con spaces and your room. You're expected to cover up or move quickly directly to your room and not loiter in the halls or lobby of the hotel.
The other time are events that are properly advertised and all proper efforts have been taken to prevent the public from stumbling onto it. Sometimes pride events take those efforts, and they generally get a pass if they do. Though that's pretty much the absolute limit of what's ok.
Yeah, that's true. We don't have many like that around here, we tend to toss them to the wolves as hypocrites, but I've heard similar stories.
Considering half the mayors, representatives, deputies, CEOs and senators out there seem to be into BDSM, it makes sense. If you're some nobody tech support drone from the suburbs, you don't talk to the mayor even though you railed him up the ass while he was tied up and blindfolded.
a lotta people are into this either as they're deeply insecure and want control over others, or deeply insecure and want others to make decisions for them
You'll notice that furries went balls to the wall with genderspecial, uwuqweer and tranny bullshit. You can scarcely find a "normal" gay furry these days, someone who identifies as a man who likes other men, and doesn't "question their gender" or plaster flags and pronouns all over their profile. And that's for a good reason, too: despite homophobia still being a thing (and I mean actual discrimination against gay people, not just calling people faggots in a videogame), the war for "gay rights" was won in 2015 when the Supreme Court judged on Obergefell v. Hodges and states were forced to recognize gay marriage. Suddenly, simply "being gay" wasn't enough oppression anymore, it didn't make you enough of an outcast, and that's when you saw furries moving en masse from "I'm gay!" to "I'm queer!" or "I'm trans!".
Ironically, you're more likely to find non-genderqueer gay furries among more "conservative" communities these days.
It's a Red Queen's race of sorts: you have to run at full speed just so you can remain in place. Since the subculture's whole social structure is based on being outcasts, the more accepted they become on the mainstream, the harder they have to try to present as unique, different and special so they can justify their status. It's no coincidence that a lot of otherwise "quiet" furry kinksters went full public after Zootopia. They thought the fandom was about to become mainstream, and a lot of these people couldn't take being considered "normies". They felt they had to be shocking.
You don't see 'normal' gays or furries *because* they're normal. There are lots of gays and furries and trans people out there who don't care about being known; they just stick to themselves and don't sperg out and ladderclimb on Twitter. You only see the loud and annoying ones - the vocal minority. The loud and annoying types are also more likely to be interested in seeking validation from other e-losers by being shocking and trooning out, etc.
Sure, the uber far-left retards get more and more degenerate (and their identities get more detached from reality) every year, but the normal ones stay normal;- because at the end of the day, they don't really care about "the community".
A lot of furries seem like total coomers and degenerates until you realise that their online existence is just a hobby, not an extension of their identity, like these lolcow types who live through the internet. There are a lot of gays and furries out there who log in to their account to interact with & post the art/porn they like, maybe make a couple friends, bust a nut, and then log out and get back to being normal in reality. This is probably true for most big artists, and honestly, a large amount of the community. It's just like playing WoW and having a character. It means nothing more.
Looks like Old Man Conway picked up the Shanghai Shivers at the bar the very moment he lifted his mask to drink. Back in the olden days, we used to call this "con crud". https://twitter.com/Unclekage/status/1506414379327275010