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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Why did Russia choose to invade Ukraine and what do they hope to gain?
Russian boomers have a strong nostalgia for USSR and its former glory, it's an easy way for Putin to boost his popularity among the buck broken slaves that they are. It serves to distract from his political failures, and that whole thing where he and his buddies rob the country blind.
Might be personal as well. Perhaps Putin wants to forge a legacy that will be remembered... which he sorta did, but not in the way he intended.

The whole muh NATO angle is just a way for him to sell this idea to the low IQ populace, he's blowing at the embers of the Cold War to create an illusion of the external existential threat.
NATO is a defensive pact, and Russia always had nukes to guarantee that no one gets any wrong ideas. There was no threat to Russia.
Aside from the fact that a prospering ex-USSR nation right under their nose would make Putin look bad and make Russians think that perhaps they could also live like Europeans, which would mean that Putin has to go.
 
Aside from the fact that a prospering ex-USSR nation right under their nose would make Putin look bad and make Russians think that perhaps they could also live like Europeans, which would mean that Putin has to go.
Makes one wonder how they explain Poland which is doing very well economically speaking
 
Why did Russia choose to invade Ukraine and what do they hope to gain?
Initially, Russia has started this to simply foment instability and ensure that Ukraine will be bogged down in problems to pay attention to citizenry's well-being. Putin wanted to punish Ukraine for its aspirations to the West.

But even with the war, Ukraine was starting to turn a corner.

As for now - I think Putin is simply mad at this point. He had a 50-minute rant on national TV, where he was seething and malding about Ukraine. The ex post facto explanations (which Russian propaganda and simps have started to provide) are all well and good but sane leaders don't screech for 50 minutes how Ukraine isn't a true and honest state, enumerating in detail problems that Ukraine has (some are very specific).
 
The USA and EU discovering that the dollar and the euro are worthless when you dont have oil, gas or wheat
How terrible then that the US is actually a significant global exporter of all three... at least when we don't have retards in the Oval Office.
He's totally not mad guys. Every word of this post is thinly concealed rage but he's totally not mad

Again, if you're trying to paint Zelensky as a dictator in the same manner as Putin then you're failing miserably. It might come as a shock, but mobilization is pretty standard procedure when countries are being invaded by their bigger neighbors. ANY OTHER COUNTRY would have done the same. Meanwhile Russia just straight up abuses their population and tramples on their rights for no reason other than money, profit, and schizo Soviet nostalgia. If this is the best you Putinsimps have then you must really be getting desperate

If the Ukie government really didn't have the support of their populace like the Kremlin wants you to believe then it 100% would have fallen after nearly a month of fighting yet the Russian's haven't even been able to take Kyiv which is only like a days drive from the border with Belarus
Betcha @Unarmed Gunman would flip his shit if he saw how mobilized the Finns got during the Winter War. After all, how the hell else does Finland, a nation of barely five and a half million people today, muster up an army of 346k? That's 6% of their current population that was called up for service in the war. And that was just the military, not associated war industries.
 
Initially, Russia has started this to simply foment instability and ensure that Ukraine will be bogged down in problems to pay attention to citizenry's well-being. Putin wanted to punish Ukraine for its aspirations to the West.

But even with the war, Ukraine was starting to turn a corner.

As for now - I think Putin is simply mad at this point. He had a 50-minute rant on national TV, where he was seething and malding about Ukraine. The ex post facto explanations (which Russian propaganda and simps have started to provide) are all well and good but sane leaders don't screech for 50 minutes how Ukraine isn't a true and honest state, enumerating in detail problems that Ukraine has (some are very specific).
I feel like this has to be more than just Putin because a lot of regular Russians seem to go right along with this invasion shit. I've gotten to speak to one Russian that went right into how Zelensky had to have gotten into office because of western fraud because "why would anyone vote for a Jew", she also complained about the Ukrainian nazis which was a bit confusing.

Seeing how some Russians seem to react to criticism of their country, makes me feel like what's really gotten to a lot of them is this delusion that their country is still superior to other ex-soviet states. Would tie in with the delusion some Russians had that Ukrainians would welcome the Russians with open arms, since if you were saying to Ukrainians that they'd get to join in with a vastly superior country then why wouldn't they be thrilled? The idea Ukrainians would be so disgusted by the idea they'd be pissing on Russian corpses and mocking Russians dying constantly would then have to feel pretty insane.

Putin and much of Russia may have gotten so high on copium that they didn't realize just how repulsive their country is to those that had a taste of the soviet life. Now they're left trying to go for a form of woke where some of them think the main reason they're hated is just bigotry rather than the whole "killing random civilians to make Putin's dick hard".
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I feel like this has to be more than just Putin because a lot of regular Russians seem to go right along with this invasion shit.
They usually baulk at what I'm about to say but they have no qualms in shitting on other former Soviet Union states, so here goes:

Most Russians are bugmen. They revel in surrendering their identity in exchange for a sense of belonging to the collective. So whenever their country and their rulers do something like that, they are ecstatic over the brute show of strength. It allows them to forget just how much of a shithole their country is outside million+ cities and Moscow.
 
They usually baulk at what I'm about to say but they have no qualms in shitting on other former Soviet Union states, so here goes:

Most Russians are bugmen. They revel in surrendering their identity in exchange for a sense of belonging to the collective. So whenever their country and their rulers do something like that, they are ecstatic over the brute show of strength. It allows them to forget just how much of a shithole their country is outside million+ cities and Moscow.
You explained it better than I ever could, good job
 
They usually baulk at what I'm about to say but they have no qualms in shitting on other former Soviet Union states, so here goes:

Most Russians are bugmen. They revel in surrendering their identity in exchange for a sense of belonging to the collective. So whenever their country and their rulers do something like that, they are ecstatic over the brute show of strength. It allows them to forget just how much of a shithole their country is outside million+ cities and Moscow.
That has been Russia's key flaw ever since the days of the Tsars.

Since they had no Western concept of law and rights, they did not develop the concept of individual rights the same way the West did. Unlike the kingdoms of the west where they developed things like constitutions, personal rights, and divisions of powers (the Pope isn't the Emperor and vice versa) Russia only had the Byzantine model to copy, and Byzantium is basically the worn-down remnants of the Roman Empire, that still had the worst aspects of the Late Empire preserved intact: rule by the strong, and excessive autocracy. Every peasant farming his land, every noble sitting in his manor, every soldier and knight, and even the Church, answered to Caesar, and the Russian Tsars from Moscow followed the same model. Russian government as a whole is an exercise on treating your own people as a foe that you have to keep down. If it isn't the boyars keking the populace, it's the Tsar keeping them in line through fear.

The very concept of western-style rights were alien to the Tsars, and both the people and even the Church felt that royal power to the extreme, the kind of royal power that makes the western absolute monarchs look like Ron Paul by comparison.

Prior to the Tsars, the peasantry of Rus could make and sell vodka on their own. The Tsars took away that right, and made production of Vodka a royal privilege. Nowadays, the right to produce vodka lies with the private oligarchs who are typically the friends of the Russian state nowadays.

Even the Russian Church, which begged and pleaded with Constantinople to grant them a Patriarchate-which they finally got in 1589-was still a pawn of the Tsar. Eventually, Tsar Peter the Great abolished said patriarchate because he wanted to "modernize" (ie. Protestantize) the Russian Church, so when the current patriarch died, Peter refused to replace him, and instead created a "Holy Synod" modeled on the state-controlled church of Lutheran Sweden, where the top guy was the Procurator, essentially a pencil-pushing lay soldier from St. Petersburg. Every matter relating to religion in the Russian expression was passed to the Procurator and had to be approved by him, and he reports every religious matter of importance to the Tsar. After the Tsardom fell, the Patriarchs were restored-first as Soviet puppets, then later, as the puppets of the modern Russian Federation.

Modern Russia is no different. They only simp for Putin because it's their only choice-those who protested ended up in jail, or worse. I have no doubts that if, somehow, the Americans managed to negate Putin's capability of launching nukes, and the US/NATO forces assaulted and occupied Russia and seized Moscow, the next day will bring millions of Russians who suddenly "saw the light" and would happily wave American/NATO flags alongside their own. The only people who are truly in support of this war are the Soviet-era Boomers who miss the days when they made the West tremble in fear. The rest are just bamboo trees who will swing in whatever direction the wind blows, either out of fear, or out of a sense of belonging to something greater than themselves, especially since many of them rot in squalor and have little else in their lives.
 
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Putin and much of Russia may have gotten so high on copium that they didn't realize just how repulsive their country is to those that had a taste of the soviet life. Now they're left trying to go for a form of woke where some of them think the main reason they're hated is just bigotry rather than the whole "killing random civilians to make Putin's dick hard".
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Isn't Mexicos chip manufacturing sector like, hilariously large with 40+ companies either being directly involved or supporting it?

Also mexican shipbuilding began to be revived back in 2014 thanks to Italian and later British investment firms finding it a good shout.
 
Ukrainians just slagged an "Alligator" logistic support vessel whilst it was in the captured port of Berdansk, and most probably a heap of the equipment it has already unloaded.
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Now obviously, this will have tremendous impact on Russia's local logistical issues, and while they have done better in the south the logistics is still shit.

Things to note:
Ukraine probably had satalite imagery and geolocation provided by the West. Saw that the ship had been there for a while and launched their cruise missiles.

Russia had naval ships in the area, these SHOULD be able to knock those things out of the sky. Yet they didn't.

Also, Ukrainian air defense routinely intercepts more advanced cruise missiles fired by Russia, yet Russia's more advanced systems couldn't protect this invaluable asset and infrastructure.

They are truly getting merked. No Russophile coping can try and explain away this one...
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Ukrainians just slagged an "Alligator" logistic support vessel whilst it was in the captured port of Berdansk, and most probably a heap of the equipment it has already unloaded.
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Now obviously, this will have tremendous impact on Russia's local logistical issues, and while they have done better in the south the logistics is still shit.

Things to note:
Ukraine probably had satalite imagery and geolocation provided by the West. Saw that the ship had been there for a while and launched their cruise missiles.

Russia had naval ships in the area, these SHOULD be able to knock those things out of the sky. Yet they didn't.

Also, Ukrainian air defense routinely intercepts more advanced cruise missiles fired by Russia, yet Russia's more advanced systems couldn't protect this invaluable asset and infrastructure.

They are truly getting merked. No Russophile coping can try and explain away this one...
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In fairness. it's a Russian ship.

Probably burst into flames by itself.
 
Bruh, you can literally Google Maps this shit
True, but you would need to know when a ship was still there. Live satalite imagery would be needed - I am sure Ukraine know the geolocation of their own ports.

Would never expect RT to show the ship still in harbour while it's still there. Kinda like when the BBC said the Argentinians were dropping their bombs too low for the fuses to prime...
 
True, but you would need to know when a ship was still there. Live satalite imagery would be needed - I am sure Ukraine know the geolocation of their own ports.

Would never expect RT to show the ship still in harbour while it's still there. Kinda like when the BBC said the Argentinians were dropping their bombs too low for the fuses to prime...
Could also have agents on the ground to paint targets or whatever, it's still their country, after all
Russian forces often fail to blend in because their gopnik habits and inability to speak Ukrainian give them away
 
Seeing over on Normiebook that F-35B's from the RAF have headed out to Estonia. Most likely the infamous RAF no617 Squadron. Aka the Dambusters.

Also been other USAF and bits and pieces shuffled about and generally deployed to Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
 
Bad news! What does this mean for the future of the Sandero?
I hope nothing. Dacia has been very successful, and if Renault can distance themselves (not easy after the UA FM named them and a home furnishing company). Romania has (its one time territory and Moldava SSR) Moldovia and Transdneistr bordering it, which a more successful Putin invasion would surely link up to. Transdneistr has a few RU troops.
 
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They usually baulk at what I'm about to say but they have no qualms in shitting on other former Soviet Union states, so here goes:

Most Russians are bugmen. They revel in surrendering their identity in exchange for a sense of belonging to the collective. So whenever their country and their rulers do something like that, they are ecstatic over the brute show of strength. It allows them to forget just how much of a shithole their country is outside million+ cities and Moscow.
A friend of mine who left Ukraine (I believe he lived in Kiev) in 2014 described the difference in East-West mentality as such:
  • In the West, people cheer "we're wealthy, we're powerful" when thousands of dishwashers, vacuum cleaners, cars etc. are manufactured.
  • In the East, people cheer "we're wealthy, we're powerful" when thousands of rifles, tanks, warplanes etc. are manufactured.
 
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