Science Marsha Blackburn asked Ketanji Brown Jackson to define 'woman.' Science says there's no simple answer. - There is no sufficient way to clearly define what makes someone a woman.

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In the 13th hour of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson's confirmation hearing Tuesday, Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) asked the Supreme Court nominee: “Can you provide a definition for the word ‘woman’?”

Jackson, appearing confused, responded, "I’m not a biologist.”

Blackburn chided Jackson, claiming that "the fact that you can’t give me a straight answer about something as fundamental as what a woman is underscores the dangers of the kind of progressive education that we are hearing about."

Senators on both sides of the aisle have used Jackson's confirmation hearing to air issues that have less to do with Jackson's qualifications and more to do with their respective parties. The exchange reflects the current state of gender politics in the U.S., as transgender swimmer Lia Thomas' recent NCAA win sparked a fierce debate over trans athletes, as a flurry of bills have sought to ban gender-affirming health care for trans youth, and as other bills have banned trans girls from participating in K-12 girls' sports. If Jackson is confirmed, it's inevitable she will preside over cases involving trans rights.

Scientists, gender law scholars and philosophers of biology said Jackson's response was commendable, though perhaps misleading. It's useful, they say, that Jackson suggested science could help answer Blackburn's question, but they note that a competent biologist would not be able to offer a definitive answer either. Scientists agree there is no sufficient way to clearly define what makes someone a woman, and with billions of women on the planet, there is much variation.

"I don't want to see this question punted to biology as if science can offer a simple, definitive answer," said Rebecca Jordan-Young, a scientist and gender studies scholar at Barnard College whose work explores the relationships between science and the social hierarchies of gender and sexuality. "The rest of her answer was more interesting and important. She said 'as a judge, what I do is I address disputes. If there's a dispute about a definition, people make arguments, and I look at the law, and I decide.' In other words, she said context matters – which is true in both biology and society. I think that's a pretty good answer for a judge."

'There isn't one single 'biological' answer to the definition of a woman'​

Blackburn tweeted after the exchange that "this is a simple question," and called Jackson's response "a major red flag."

But Jordan-Young said she sees Jackson's answer, particularly the second half, reflecting the necessity of nuance. While traditional notions of sex and gender suggest a simple binary – if you are born with a penis, you are male and identify as a man and if you are born with a vagina, you are female and identify as a woman – the reality, gender experts say, is more complex.

"There isn't one single 'biological' answer to the definition of a woman. There's not even a singular biological answer to the question of 'what is a female,'" Jordan-Young said.

There are at least six different biological markers of “sex” in the body: genitals, chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive structures, hormone ratios and secondary sex characteristics. None of the six is strictly dichotomous, Jordan-Young said, and the different markers don’t always align.

Sarah Richardson, a Harvard scholar, historian and philosopher of biology who focuses on the sciences of sex and gender and their policy dimensions, said Jackson's answer accurately reflects legal practice. While U.S. law remains an unsettled arena for the conceptualization and definition of sex, it frequently grounds sex categorization in biological evidence and reasoning.

But like Jordan-Young, Richardson emphasized that biology does not offer a simple or singular answer to the question of what defines a woman.

"As is so often the case, science cannot settle what are really social questions," she said. "In any particular case of sex categorization, whether in law or in science, it is necessary to build a definition of sex particular to context."

Experts say the category of 'woman' has always been in dispute​

Juliet Williams, a professor of gender studies at UCLA who specializes in gender and the law, said it's important to note this isn't an entirely new debate.

The category of woman has long been politically contested. Black women, she said, were not always welcomed in the category. For example, while the 19th Amendment granted women the right to vote, for decades many Black women were excluded from exercising it. During Jim Crow, there would be bathrooms labeled "men," "women" and "colored." The longstanding view of white supremacy denied recognition as women to Black women and women of color.

Williams said one can also look to the era of Phyllis Schlafly, an attorney and activist and the face of conservative women in the 1970s who argued against the Equal Rights Amendment, which would make discrimination on the basis of sex unconstitutional. Williams said Schlafly believed women's roles as homemakers were fundamental to how the category of woman was defined.

"There was an effort to define womanhood in very specific ways around roles of mothering and nurture, and to suggest that a society in which women's rights and opportunities were equal to men would essentially lead to a genderless, gender-neutral society," she said. "In other words, if women ceased acting like women, they would cease being women."

A fierce debate over trans women in sports​

Blackburn's questions reflect the current debate over Thomas, a transgender woman and member of the University of Pennsylvania swimming team who made history this month when she won an NCAA swimming competition in Division I.

Gender scholars and trans activists argue that critics are focused on Thomas' assignment as male at birth as the sole reason for her excellence. Thomas began transitioning in 2019 with hormone therapy, and while her swim times slowed, she remained a top competitor.

"Lots of people are assigned male at birth, have higher testosterone levels ... and could never make a Division I swimming team," said Kate Mason, a gender studies professor at Wheaton College who studies social inequality. "Why do we attribute her current success to her assigned sex, rather than to her long record as an elite swimmer?"

Experts say there can be standards for legal sex classification, but no one can legislate science​

Gender scholars say there can be standards for legal sex classification, but no one can legislate science.

"I do think that judges and justices sometimes have to make determinations about who is meant by 'man' or 'woman' in written statutes – and they may have to acknowledge the reality that sex and gender are not binary," Mason said. "I think Blackburn would prefer a world in which reality was much simpler."

Jordan-Young said some politicians have work to do on the issue of "fairness" for women.

"When Blackburn and the rest of her caucus support women’s full reproductive justice, when they aggressively try to solve the inequality of investment in girls’ and women’s sports – still true 50 years after Title IX made it illegal – when they take meaningful action on the persistent wage discrimination against women, especially women of color, then maybe it will make sense to engage their questions about who can count as a woman."

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No shit that's a major red flag. Even if you were to accept her sidestepping the definition, it goes against the very nature of the job she's applying for.

As part of the Supreme Court, your job is to see justice through according to your perspective of the law, and you need to have unwavering confidence in delivering that to people who willingly muddy the waters on morality to justify the actions that bring them before you in the first place.

A firm hand is needed, and if you can't answer the mere definition of a woman without caving to social pressures and showing no strength of character, you do not belong there. Their job is to see the verdict through regardless of how it stacks next to popular opinion.
Not to mention she'll be required to rule on Roe v Wade, a decision that affects women, in the summer. More and more states are enacting abortion bans and if she cannot rule for the class of society that primarily affects, who does she stand for?
 
Dig a grave for yourself if everything is lost, doomer.
A realistic view of how things will play out is not a Doompill, nigger.
But you go right ahead and Trust The Plan.

A firm hand is needed, and if you can't answer the mere definition of a woman without caving to social pressures and showing no strength of character, you do not belong there. Their job is to see the verdict through regardless of how it stacks next to popular opinion.
She thinks she's being clever by trying to answer like a lawyer/cop would. "I don't know the definition of 'X'. What is the legal definition of 'X'? I am not an expert on 'X'. "

They should have seen right through it and told her "We are not asking you for a legal or scientific definition of the word. Just tell us which of these is a man, and which of these is a woman", then shown her pics of obvious Trannies vs Kate Beckinsale.
 
You autists don't know a shit about what to reply and where? Would you risk your appointment over some random irrelevant political cookie question by going on a rant? Ofcourse you autists would

"The current gas crisis is exactly why we need to start transitioning cars to electric!"
"How is using fossil fuels going to help us become less dependent on fossil fuels?"
"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" (rough translation)
"My car now identifies as electric"
Stolen elections have consequences.
Then why don't you donate to the trump campaign to overturn the election?
 
Why do people think science can't be tainted by politics?
Because these people who worship science are really contrarians. They "believe" science because they think it opposes the irrationality of religion. If something opposes religion, then it must he truth and accurate all the time.

The irony is that they are in fact people in desperate need of religion. They believe science because they need a absolute system of beliefs they can safely rely on. They think that because they use science for this, they are different from the religious nutjobs they hate so much.

Because they think "lab coats+degrees+ big words = neutral, disinterested Mr. Spocks and Dr. Manhattans who couldn't possibly lie."
They think this and also that all sscientists agree all the time in all subjects.
 
No. They will double down on this nonsense, and since they've already captured the minds of every teenager, they'll win. They also control education and mass media, so they can push the narrative unopposed.

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Going to have to disagree. I'm sure the Dems will continue to double down, but their party is fucked, and this nonsense is only hastening its demise. I used to be a Dem voter, stopped and gave up on them completely around after Obama's 2nd term, but have kept in contact with friends and family that still support them. Have a lot of SJW and hardline Dem friends, and this year I've seen them quickly become more and more unhappy with the direction the Dems are going.

The Democrats like to paint the Republicans as he-man woman haters. For a while, that's been a good sell... but you can't claim to be the party for women and then go on to deny the existence of women and push for policies that allow males to take opportunities from women. Even the biggest Never Trumpers will eventually get fed up when they see their so called "feminist" party throwing them under the bus. I keep seeing this same line from unhappy Democrats: "I don't like Trump or the Republicans, but at least they know what a woman is and aren't trying to erase our records/words/etc".

The Democrats pushing LBGT shit down everyone's throat has not made people more tolerant of troons. This is because, as we already know, troons are mentally unwell at best, and sexual degenerates groomers at worse. It's one thing to say you support the LBGT when you haven't seen or met one, but as many kiwis can attest, the fastest way to turn people against troons is to simply have them listen or meet one, and then Dems have gone into overdrive this year in promoting them to the masses. Hell, Recent surveys even show that people are becoming less tolerant of LBGT, and that the younger generation are the biggest demographic that is growing to hate them.

As for the Dems controlling the media, does it seem like that is working out for them? CNN ratings are in the toilet. BuzzFeed is closing their "News" section, etc. All of the movies and shows SJWs create are boring and end up either barely breaking even or utterly flopping. The big social media platforms continue to lose members due to their boring ass "safe" content rules and censorship. If you keep banning people and removing "problematic" content, then at some point people are going to find other fun and non-censoring places to go.

The Dems are fucked. Even without the troon shit, they are fucked, it's just that the troon crap is speeding up their downfall.
 
Going to have to disagree. I'm sure the Dems will continue to double down, but their party is fucked, and this nonsense is only hastening its demise. I used to be a Dem voter, stopped and gave up on them completely around after Obama's 2nd term, but have kept in contact with friends and family that still support them. Have a lot of SJW and hardline Dem friends, and this year I've seen them quickly become more and more unhappy with the direction the Dems are going.

The Democrats like to paint the Republicans as he-man woman haters. For a while, that's been a good sell... but you can't claim to be the party for women and then go on to deny the existence of women and push for policies that allow males to take opportunities from women. Even the biggest Never Trumpers will eventually get fed up when they see their so called "feminist" party throwing them under the bus. I keep seeing this same line from unhappy Democrats: "I don't like Trump or the Republicans, but at least they know what a woman is and aren't trying to erase our records/words/etc".

The Democrats pushing LBGT shit down everyone's throat has not made people more tolerant of troons. This is because, as we already know, troons are mentally unwell at best, and sexual degenerates groomers at worse. It's one thing to say you support the LBGT when you haven't seen or met one, but as many kiwis can attest, the fastest way to turn people against troons is to simply have them listen or meet one, and then Dems have gone into overdrive this year in promoting them to the masses. Hell, Recent surveys even show that people are becoming less tolerant of LBGT, and that the younger generation are the biggest demographic that is growing to hate them.

As for the Dems controlling the media, does it seem like that is working out for them? CNN ratings are in the toilet. BuzzFeed is closing their "News" section, etc. All of the movies and shows SJWs create are boring and end up either barely breaking even or utterly flopping. The big social media platforms continue to lose members due to their boring ass "safe" content rules and censorship. If you keep banning people and removing "problematic" content, then at some point people are going to find other fun and non-censoring places to go.

The Dems are fucked. Even without the troon shit, they are fucked, it's just that the troon crap is speeding up their downfall.
To be honest all the dems have to do to recoup support is kill the party title of Democrats, rebrand the political title, and the same people "tired of Democrats, from the democrat party" will fall for it again.

You're merely causing the destruction of a symptom not the cause in general. Never forget for a period of time people were going for "centrist/libertarian" parties that were literally just DNC proxies pretending not to be.
 
Up until a few years ago, the troons themselves were pushing the "Sex and gender are different" mantra. I would see those stupid memes and info graphics about how "Sex is what's between your legs, gender is what's between your ears!".

The TROONS were the ones pushing the idea that their brains were confused and it did not match their birth sex. Sex was very real and acknowledged.

I don't know know when exactly this mindset changed, but it changed hard and fast.
I’m pretty sure it changed right around the time people on Tumblr started using words like “truscum” and accusing actual trans people of gatekeeping becuase they said you need to have dysphoria to “actually” be trans.

so, right around the time it went from being people who admitted they were mentally ill but still wanted some sort of help for to a social status trend.
 
Science says there's a fucking simple answer.
Just because a facet of being a woman is a sociological factor you desperately want to change doesn't mean it isn't simple.
It means you're a retard trying to deflect an important question to hide your goddamn conspiracies that everyone already knows, but is too pussy to do something about.
 
Are they capable of playing Tic-Tac-Toe with their chromosome letters or not. Seems pretty fuckin' simple to me.

Will also just add this video because it is one of the most eloquent arguments against all the homo tranny shit excuses of "muh hermaphrodites! Muh genetic freaks!" from way back in the day, featuring everyone's favorite magical negro. Should start at 39:38 if it doesn't for some reason.
 
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Weasel words.

This is her, by the way:

Oh look, an ugly dyke with all her hair sheared off, I'm just shocked.

Her partner kicked the bucket a few years ago. Looks like from ovarian cancer. I wonder if that is scientifically significant in identifying her sex.


Looks like she had an adopted daughter too. I wonder how daughters come about and what science has to say about that. Oh well.

 
Im just waiting for them to finally fall down the slippery slopes and says they cant define what a "child" is so they can finally add that P to the LGBTQ+ letter mumbojumbo.

Its all just so ridiculous.

The P is already present. At the moment it's just a poorly concealed secret, similar to "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain [molesting that child]"
 
Because these people who worship science are really contrarians. They "believe" science because they think it opposes the irrationality of religion. If something opposes religion, then it must he truth and accurate all the time.

The irony is that they are in fact people in desperate need of religion. They believe science because they need a absolute system of beliefs they can safely rely on. They think that because they use science for this, they are different from the religious nutjobs they hate so much.
They don't actually believe in science, which is rooted in empirical thought and subject to rigorous examination and debate. they worship Scoence, a hastily cobbled together amalgam of whatever bullshit required to prop up their ever shifting ideology. If they truly believed in science and logic, they wouldn't be so hostile to an opposing opinion, because they'd be able to disprove it with empirically observable reality, but because their faith isn't based on actual reality, they act as doctrinarians.
 
Science says there's no simple answer.

Correction: Newspeak says there is no simple answer. "Science" decided long, long ago that there is indeed a simple answer: an adult human female. You will never be a real woman, AGPs.

I do love the big push for militant trans approval and the toe-dipping into pedo acceptance, because those are the kind of things that repulse normies and mobilize backlash. Enjoy the death throes of your narrative control, progs and your funding elite. My only regret is that in modern society, the narrative pushers will get banishment into obscurity instead of the rope they deserve.
 
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