What is war good for?

[I'mma real anime gurl]

Whose the space lizard that raped my ancestor; is he a fucking t rex from space, space dragon, or is it a female space lizard?

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Ah yes, I remember being 14 and saying things like this.

 

[Kusanigga]

it'd be a good excuse to wipe out pedos and animal fuckers outta world, but you're totally not one of them, right tommy?

 

[EmpireOfTheClouds]

i don't support them and you should worry about your own cognitive decline if the best you have is name calling like that.

The Eurofascist Ukrainians have a long history of lying, starting with the Holodomor. I'm sure the more left leaning authoritarian Ukrainians have their own sordid history and no doubt there are several indigenous ethnoreligious groups whose allegiance is actually to the land and not some European or Asian empire, just like everywhere else that's been colonized by empires fighting over their resources.

Of course you're pro-Russia.

So my Ukrainian ass has another reason to fucking despise you, as if your being a pedo dogfucker wasn't enough of one already.

 

[Miss Tommie Jayne Wasserberg]

So you admit you have no knowledge of the history of the situation and no desire to try an learn. Did you support the Soviets? You don't seem to be a very good communist.

i'm fair trade capitalist, social democrat and anti-imperialist.

People who don't believe in the Holodomor are the same type of people who believe the Holocaust didn't happen. Should see if dailystormer is still up and running. You'd be welcomed there Thomas.

Agreed, you're a man.

You are a misinformed bigot and junior nazi. I am intersex, neither a man or a woman.

People who swallow industrial fascist propaganda whole are generally congenitally stupid consumers who consent to be subjects of corporate tyranny and volunteer send their children off to commit mass murder for them in times of war.

The Holodomor is a hard line nationalist lie that was a lot more complex than Stalin engineered it. Ukraine wasn't even the region hardest hit by it.

https://discomfiting.medium.com/holodomor-fact-or-fiction-17324ffe1d46
Jones placed the blame mainly on the Soviet policies of collectivization, but still admitted — unlike the “holodomor-genocide” campaigners of today — the previously stated factors. Today if you mention these factors, you are demonized by certain people as being just as bad as the people who deny the holocaust, that you are a genocide denier equal to a holocaust denier.

Here we have the following factors by Jones, aside from collectivization:

1. Drought
2. Exporting grain & co. for industry machinery
3. “Disincentives” among ex-landowners
4. Slaughter of cattle by disgruntled ex-landowners

Before moving forward, it is important to take into account the location and the era of which this situation had occurred. For centuries prior, the entire region had regularly struggled against famines and droughts, including in Ukraine. Due to the economic backwardness of the feudal era, the entire region was largely ill-prepared to overcome these situations. As Jones mentioned, the Soviet Union was importing machinery. This was true. The reason for this was that it was that industrialization, as part of the first five-year plan, was a key to improving the agricultural system and overcoming the famines which had been inherited from the pre-revolutionary era. In a sense, the decision was as follows: “Do not industrialize, save some food, and allow the famines to continue anyway, or do industrialize, sell some food, and try to overcome the famines as quickly as possible”.

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

i'm fair trade capitalist, social democrat and anti-imperialist.

That would make you part of the bourgeoisie. You're defending Stalinist wholesale expropriation, and then say you're a "capitalist".

Are you capable of making any arguments that you don't just regurgitate wholesale without understanding. Everything you just said is what Soviet apologists say. Except Tom, who do you think the "former landowners", in this case, were?

They were the kulaks:

Kulak (/ˈkuːlæk/; Russian: кула́к; plural: кулаки́, kulakí, 'fist' or 'tight-fisted'), also kurkul (Ukrainian: куркуль) or golchomag (Azerbaijani: qolçomaq, plural: qolçomaqlar), was the term which was used to describe peasants who owned over 8 acres (3.2 hectares) of land towards the end of the Russian Empire. In the early Soviet Union, particularly in Soviet Russia and Azerbaijan, kulak became a vague reference to property ownership among peasants who were considered hesitant allies of the Bolshevik Revolution.[1] In Ukraine during 1930–1931, there also existed a term of pidkurkulnyk (almost wealthy peasant); these were considered "sub-kulaks".[2]

Which is to say, they were small capitalists, who had just recently gotten their own land from the reforms that started occurring at the tail end of Tsarist Russia. They were actually defined under Stalinism as any peasant who hired labor to work their land, and they were killed and deported en-masse for "counter revolutionary" activities like not wanting to give up their grain or livestock to the local Bolsheviks. Your argument is that same as saying that the US state should have the right to come to your aquaculture farm, if it ever exists, and demand that you turn over everything in the name of revolution. And then when you say no, they deport you to labor camp, you friends all starve, but somebody 80 years later will justify it by saying "famines were unavoidable, you had to break a few eggs to make an omelets". The industrialization of Russia was always going to bring upheaval and destruction, and the US can hardly claim that their agricultural bounty came out of a peaceful transfer of land, after all. But there's a reason even the Soviets themselves distanced themselves from Stalinist policies in later years. Tom, you are an apologist for empire if you defend Stalinist policy in Ukraine.

Ironically, you'd probably be spared if you were there at the time, but only because you would have squandered whatever wealth your family had and would have avoided the purges.

 

[RazorBackBacon]

i'm fair trade capitalist, social democrat and anti-imperialist.

You are a misinformed bigot and junior nazi. I am intersex, neither a man or a woman.

People who swallow industrial fascist propaganda whole are generally congenitally stupid consumers who consent to be subjects of corporate tyranny and volunteer send their children off to commit mass murder for them in times of war.

The Holodomor is a hard line nationalist lie that was a lot more complex than Stalin engineered it. Ukraine wasn't even the region hardest hit by it.

https://discomfiting.medium.com/holodomor-fact-or-fiction-17324ffe1d46
Jones placed the blame mainly on the Soviet policies of collectivization, but still admitted — unlike the “holodomor-genocide” campaigners of today — the previously stated factors. Today if you mention these factors, you are demonized by certain people as being just as bad as the people who deny the holocaust, that you are a genocide denier equal to a holocaust denier.

Here we have the following factors by Jones, aside from collectivization:

1. Drought
2. Exporting grain & co. for industry machinery
3. “Disincentives” among ex-landowners
4. Slaughter of cattle by disgruntled ex-landowners

Before moving forward, it is important to take into account the location and the era of which this situation had occurred. For centuries prior, the entire region had regularly struggled against famines and droughts, including in Ukraine. Due to the economic backwardness of the feudal era, the entire region was largely ill-prepared to overcome these situations. As Jones mentioned, the Soviet Union was importing machinery. This was true. The reason for this was that it was that industrialization, as part of the first five-year plan, was a key to improving the agricultural system and overcoming the famines which had been inherited from the pre-revolutionary era. In a sense, the decision was as follows: “Do not industrialize, save some food, and allow the famines to continue anyway, or do industrialize, sell some food, and try to overcome the famines as quickly as possible”.

Fascinating that when America, Germany, France, Belgium, Poland, and The Netherlands (fascistic imperialist hellholes all, I'm sure) industrialized and suffered massive social upheavals and natural disasters, we didn't have people resorting to cannibalism to survive. And yet, everywhere Communism touches, monumental famine is sure to follow. Utterly fascinating.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

i'm fair trade capitalist, social democrat and anti-imperialist.

You are a misinformed bigot and junior nazi. I am intersex, neither a man or a woman.

People who swallow industrial fascist propaganda whole are generally congenitally stupid consumers who consent to be subjects of corporate tyranny and volunteer send their children off to commit mass murder for them in times of war.

The Holodomor is a hard line nationalist lie that was a lot more complex than Stalin engineered it. Ukraine wasn't even the region hardest hit by it.

https://discomfiting.medium.com/holodomor-fact-or-fiction-17324ffe1d46
Jones placed the blame mainly on the Soviet policies of collectivization, but still admitted — unlike the “holodomor-genocide” campaigners of today — the previously stated factors. Today if you mention these factors, you are demonized by certain people as being just as bad as the people who deny the holocaust, that you are a genocide denier equal to a holocaust denier.

Here we have the following factors by Jones, aside from collectivization:

1. Drought
2. Exporting grain & co. for industry machinery
3. “Disincentives” among ex-landowners
4. Slaughter of cattle by disgruntled ex-landowners

Before moving forward, it is important to take into account the location and the era of which this situation had occurred. For centuries prior, the entire region had regularly struggled against famines and droughts, including in Ukraine. Due to the economic backwardness of the feudal era, the entire region was largely ill-prepared to overcome these situations. As Jones mentioned, the Soviet Union was importing machinery. This was true. The reason for this was that it was that industrialization, as part of the first five-year plan, was a key to improving the agricultural system and overcoming the famines which had been inherited from the pre-revolutionary era. In a sense, the decision was as follows: “Do not industrialize, save some food, and allow the famines to continue anyway, or do industrialize, sell some food, and try to overcome the famines as quickly as possible”.

You are a man you dumb fuck. If you think the Holodomor is fake kill yourself because I know a lot of Ukrainians who would beat your fucking ass to death for thinking that.

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

He's not even saying it was fake, just that it doesn't matter that people starved and had to eat each other, because soviet goals were achieved. In much the same way, I'm sure Tom feels that when native lands were expropriated for agriculture in the US, any suffering was justified by the surplus produced. After all, you needed to industrialize America's cities. If some people had to die on the trail of tears, well, you just had to get through it.

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

Fascinating that when America, Germany, France, Belgium, Poland, and The Netherlands (fascistic imperialist hellholes all, I'm sure) industrialized and suffered massive social upheavals and natural disasters, we didn't have people resorting to cannibalism to survive. And yet, everywhere Communism touches, monumental famine is sure to follow. Utterly fascinating.

It's almost like in order for a non-capitalist/socialist society to function, one has to cut out the dead weight. Crazy, that.

You are a man you dumb fuck. If you think the Holodomor is fake kill yourself because I know a lot of Ukrainians who would beat your fucking ass to death for thinking that.

Good thing he doesn't ever plan on setting foot in Canada. There's about 80. 000 people in north Alberta alone that would pull him apart with tractors for saying that.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Good thing he doesn't ever plan on setting foot in Canada. There's about 80. 000 people in north Alberta alone that would pull him apart with tractors for saying that.

A lot of people don't know that the Ukrainian "mafia" does operate in Canada. They're a good people if you need to smuggle weapons (they were known to smuggle military goods in the 90s) or get rid of a body.

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

A lot of people don't know that the Ukrainian "mafia" does operate in Canada. They're a good people if you need to smuggle weapons (they were known to smuggle military goods in the 90s) or get rid of a body.

No comment. You're not wrong though, I remember big news in the mid or maybe late 90's about a fraudulent company run by Ukrainian mobsters being traded in Alberta.

 

[RazorBackBacon]

No comment. You're not wrong though, I remember big news in the mid or maybe late 90's about a fraudulent company run by Ukrainian mobsters being traded in Alberta.

Just hypothetically if I wanted to open up a business in Alberta, who should I avoid pissing off?

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

Just hypothetically if I wanted to open up a business in Alberta, who should I avoid pissing off?

Depends where. Edmonton? East Indians and Natives will probably take things the farthest. Rural communities up north, it's all run by different families depending on the community.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Just hypothetically if I wanted to open up a business in Alberta, who should I avoid pissing off?

White people and Muslims. Muslims though own the drug trafficking so I hope you're not into that. White people own all of the businesses. Black people are push overs. It's why their gangs die off quickly. If you're white stay the fuck out of the reserves. There's a reason why they have to have first nation officers go there.

If you go to Calgary, don't mind any fights you see downtown during the day. Not even the police care. It's also the Rape Capital of Canada so make sure any woman you're with can protect themselves. Edmonton is the Murder Capital of Canada so I hope you know how to protect your ass. If not, stick to Grand Prairie or Red Deer, though Grand Prairie has more work.

 

[DSP's Tax Lawyer]

Wow, Tom referencing an unknown communist to justify the communist genocide is all sorts of levels of hilarious stupidity. I don't think Tom realizes that if there ever was a communist revolution, he would either be lined up against a wall and shot or sent to alaska to start digging for oil with a shovel and a wind breaker

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

White people and Muslims. Muslims though own the drug trafficking so I hope you're not into that. White people own all of the businesses. Black people are push overs. It's why their gangs die off quickly. If you're white stay the fuck out of the reserves. There's a reason why they have to have first nation officers go there.

If you go to Calgary, don't mind any fights you see downtown during the day. Not even the police care. It's also the Rape Capital of Canada so make sure any woman you're with can protect themselves. Edmonton is the Murder Capital of Canada so I hope you know how to protect your ass. If not, stick to Grand Prairie or Red Deer, though Grand Prairie has more work.

To add on to that, probably best to avoid the Slave Lake area. Last I was in Alberta, which admittedly was decades ago, it was completely under the stranglehold of the nearby reserve. Great if you're native, not good otherwise.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

To add on to that, probably best to avoid the Slave Lake area. Last I was in Alberta, which admittedly was decades ago, it was completely under the stranglehold of the nearby reserve. Great if you're native, not good otherwise.

A lot changed when it was up in flames.

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

Wow, Tom referencing an unknown communist to justify the communist genocide is all sorts of levels of hilarious stupidity. I don't think Tom realizes that if there ever was a communist revolution, he would either be lined up against a wall and shot or sent to alaska to start digging for oil with a shovel and a wind breaker

I said this in another thread, but communists literally have a word for people like Tom. Lumpenproletariat:

Generally unemployable people who make no positive contribution to an economy. Sometimes described as the bottom layer of a capitalist society. May include criminal and mentally unstable people. Some activists consider them "most radical" because they are "most exploited," but they are un-organizable and more likely to act as paid agents than to have any progressive role in class struggle.

Traditionally, communists write them off as worthless and shoot them if they get too close (paid agents and all that). Mao thought you should use them after reeducating them.

 

[DSP's Tax Lawyer]

I said this in another thread, but communists literally have a word for people like Tom. Lumpenproletariat:



Traditionally, communists write them off as worthless and shoot them if they get too close (paid agents and all that). Mao thought you should use them after reeducating them.

Well Tom is also the useful idiot that communists use to get them in power. Then once the real people are in power, they line people like Tom up against a wall and shoot them to prevent further revolution