Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[SneedEyeMitch]

Blaming Germany for something being fucked up in Europe is a time honored tradition. It's also usually a correct assumption.

Well I'm Irish our tradition is blame Britian, the benefit of being an island nation you avoid the headaches of the mainland.

Polish blame them as "you sponosored Russia for ages, your main polititans ended up in Russian gas/oil companies with high salary, we told you that Europe shouldn't relay on Russian resources so much blah blah".

Touché

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Eastern Europeans are the type of people who brag about doing menial labour for Germans. Thanks for proving my point!

What's to brag about doing hard work and stealing German money for ourselves?

 

[Aidan]

That's my point though.

If they simply retain slightly more control of a now partially depopulated and economically fucked area than they did beforehand what have they won ?

With no other concessions it will continue to be a warzone and Ukraine will keep rearming.

I don't think they care how fucked up it is just because it was fucked up before tanks crossed the border and was no doubt factored into the invasion. I don't know what they see as gaining from it but it's what they want. If they get what they want then I'd say that's a win.
I can see this being some future cope. "Yeah, well... those oblasts suck anyway!"

 

[Kane Lives]

Polish blame them as "you sponosored Russia for ages, your main polititans ended up in Russian gas/oil companies with high salary, we told you that Europe shouldn't relay on Russian resources so much blah blah".

Any retard could have told the Germans that relying on Russian gas was a disaster in the making.

Now they get to watch it play out first hand.

 

[bread n circuses]

What's to brag about doing hard work and stealing German money for ourselves?

Doing low wage shit work for rich Germans isn’t robbing them. What level of delusional cope is this? Are Vietnamese sweatshop workers robbing me blind too now?

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Any retard could have told the Germans that relying on Russian gas was a disaster in the making.

Now they get to watch it play out first hand.

The whole EU army doesn't work when they're reliant of them like this.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I was initially skeptical of the sheer magnitude of reported Russian casualties but if their positions are starting to collapse, that tells me they're running out of meat to feed the grinder.

On one hand, I'm glad the Ukrainians are starting to make progress defending their homes. On the other, I'm sad because this is shaping up to be a very long war

This war has already been a slaughter and both sides are lying about the casualties. This is the first war of the modern era where two peer powers are going at each other with modern weapons. The result it seems is that war never changes. All the precision and tech in the world does not mean diddly squat. The only difference is that instead of blowing an entire squad of men into chuncks of meat at 50 meters with Cannister shot we are doing it at 1,000 meters with a Javeline or NLAW. End result is the same.

The real shocker here is nobody saw this war coming. The west assumed that Ukraine would fold immediately and Russia apparently assumed it would too.

I've been wracking my brains for an event in history similar to this, and I have only one example.

The American Civil War. In the American Civil War, you had two societies, different yes, but more alike then they were different. They had common language, similar (but different) cultures, even a largely common history. Families straddled both sides of the border, friendships too, and one side was vastly inferior in every military metric to the other.

Yet the two, largely due to competing politics, stumbled into an armed conflict. The Confederate Americans appealed to a basic principle of law. They were sovereign states, who could do what they wanted. The Union Americans argued they were going down the wrong path, and also no they could not. There was low level conflict between the two sides for an entire decade. Hundreds of people were killed in various skirmishes that were armed conflict in all but name.

But when the final moment came, and full on war began, neither side really appreciated just what had happened. The South assumed the North would take its bloody nose and walk away, while the North assumed the South would cave immediately to its superior numbers and righteous cause.

The opposite in fact happened. The inferior southern states fought the larger union states to a stand still in 1861, and what followed was 3 more years of slaughter that killed 10% male population in the United States and by its end the implementation of total war tactics, involving battles where actual brothers ended up on opposing sides.

The interviews with firefighters in Kharkiv remind me very strongly of letters from the American Civil War. Absolute bafflement at how the same people are so busy trying to kill each other, but also grim determination that if it's war, then they were going to win it.

Rather depressing tbh. Nobody is going to win this one.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Any retard could have told the Germans that relying on Russian gas was a disaster in the making.

Now they get to watch it play out first hand.

Maybe the Morgenthau plan wasn't the worst idea after all.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

шизофреник снова плачет

Я прав, да?

Пришло ли время для вашего эстрогена?

 

[Aidan]

Any retard could have told the Germans that relying on Russian gas was a disaster in the making.

Now they get to watch it play out first hand.

Putin even joked about Germany being retarded before.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Putin even joked about Germany being retarded before.
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The fact that he mocked them for it, and they still did it, knowing he thought they were idiots is just hilarious. There is no hope for the Kraut.

 

[mindlessobserver]

People where speculating even in the 1st thread that the forces piled up there just doing nothing but fucking around in the villages was just a retard magnet. That may not have been the original plan but that seems to be what the plan turned in to. Ukraines need to defend Kiev at ALL costs so thats where their forces are going to be focused leaving the south spread thin.
Kiev isn't being taken with out turning it in to dust so the next best thing is to lockup the south. Nice wide land bridge and make sure the water keeps flowing to Crimea. Also the south is where the nazi's where so now they are removed Russia can bust out the GW Bush branded Mission Accomplished banner and claim great success to the people back home.

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It takes two to end a war. Russia aimed for the king and missed. This is not going to turn into another frozen conflict. If Russia stops hammering Ukraine, all that will do is give Ukraine time to reorganize and hit back at the Russians harder.

Russia has this territory for now, but it's gonna have to pay to keep it. This isn't a police action, or "special military operation". It's a war, and there is no way to unilaterally stop a war. Ukraine is going to be shooting at and killing Russian soldiers in that red area, every day. And every day, Russia is going to have to send more boys into that red area to get shot at. There is no victory to declare.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This war has already been a slaughter and both sides are lying about the casualties.

This is correct.

This is the first war of the modern era where two peer powers are going at each other with modern weapons.

This is not. No one, not even Ukraine itself, claims its a power of any kind. This has become a proxy war between the US and Russia but unlike previous proxy wars this one is on Russia's border, which makes it way more dangerous than previous proxy wars. Ukraine is irrelevant, to be honest. That sucks for the people of Ukraine but that's the way it is.

What this is and what politicians won't say out loud, is that this is the first war where thermonuclear war is a very real possibility. The neocons are trying to goad Russia into a first strike, thinking we can counter strike and win. Well, we can't and it's madness to try,

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

The fact that he mocked them for it, and they still did it, knowing he thought they were idiots is just hilarious. There is no hope for the Kraut.

Germans truly are autistic.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Germans truly are autistic.

It's the only reasonable explanation for how they can come up with such great engineering, yet make such retarded decisions.

 

[Corette]

Russian soldier poses over a pile of captured NLAWs. Can you spot what's wrong with this picture?

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Those things must be damn uncomfortable to carry around.

 

[mindlessobserver]

This is correct.

This is not. No one, not even Ukraine itself, claims its a power of any kind. This has become a proxy war between the US and Russia but unlike previous proxy wars this one is on Russia's border, which makes it way more dangerous than previous proxy wars. Ukraine is irrelevant, to be honest. That sucks for the people of Ukraine but that's the way it is.

What this is and what politicians won't say out loud, is that this is the first war where thermonuclear war is a very real possibility. The neocons are trying to goad Russia into a first strike, thinking we can counter strike and win. Well, we can't and it's madness to try,

The performance of the Russian Army in this conflict makes it an open question as to whether they could take on Sweden or Finland, let alone NATO as a whole. The US may be fighting by Proxy here, but that is only due to nukes at this point. If not for that American troops would be halfway to Moscow by now.

Japan has to be wondering "why not take back the Kurils" at this point. You are correct that this vastly increases the risks of nuclear war, but only because Russia has shown itself to be a paper bear with nukes. Ukraine is very much its peer.

At the end of the day, Putin is resorting to North Korea tactics. "I have nukes, respect meeeeeee!" Shameful.

 

[Aidan]

It takes two to end a war. Russia aimed for the king and missed. This is not going to turn into another frozen conflict. If Russia stops hammering Ukraine, all that will do is give Ukraine time to reorganize and hit back at the Russians harder.

Russia has this territory for now, but it's gonna have to pay to keep it. This isn't a police action, or "special military operation". It's a war, and there is no way to unilaterally stop a war. Ukraine is going to be shooting at and killing Russian soldiers in that red area, every day. And every day, Russia is going to have to send more boys into that red area to get shot at. There is no victory to declare.

If Ukraine could mount an offensive to reverse the roles, they would. I think the fact that they haven't is enough to say they can't.
I think you're just taking the news at face value too often. The only bad news that ever gets out about Ukraine is when they blatantly lost something (eg Kherson), similar to how Afghanistan "fell in 1 day."

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

What this is and what politicians won't say out loud, is that this is the first war where thermonuclear war is a very real possibility. The neocons are trying to goad Russia into a first strike, thinking we can counter strike and win. Well, we can't and it's madness to try,

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that part. There was definitely a nuclear risk with some past conflicts. The Korean war especially springs to mind, as well as several very tense points in the cold war. Truth be told, the risk is and always has been there since the first ones were made.

 

[Rezza]

And if they fail to get any concessions and have to settle for "securing" Donbass I don't know how anyone could call that anything other than a failure.

Pfft, tell that to the Vatniks and Putinbros