Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

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Whatever idiot did this map forgot to color in Greenland. That's Danish and NATO territory.

lol colonies don't count.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Doing low wage shit work for rich Germans isn’t robbing them. What level of delusional cope is this? Are Vietnamese sweatshop workers robbing me blind too now?

Retard, let me explain to you how this works.
You go abroad, get a shit job, eventually climb rank. You get paid, you sent some of the cash back home, this is one part of robbing those rich Germans of their money.
Later in years you earn a pension and benefits. You have one option to stay in the country, get a citizenship and shit, and live like an average nigger in an average nigger hood. Lots of folk do that.
The better option is to go back home with your pension and benefits, buy land or a nice place in a nice town and live the good life among your people, all the while the stupid Germans pay for your retirement.
There are also many other options of reselling used stuff, registering businesses between two countries and whatever other shit we stupid lesser peoples come up with to take your money, which you could easily keep within your economy if you weren't lazy hacks who can barely wipe your own asses anymore.

Пришло ли время для вашего эстрогена?

Спроси своего отец. Он или она знай бце об этом.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that part. There was definitely a nuclear risk with some past conflicts. The Korean war especially springs to mind, as well as several very tense points in the cold war. Truth be told, the risk is and always has been there since the first ones were made.

Nuclear was off the table in Korea, the mere suggestion is what got Douglas MacArthur, a WW2 hero and 5 star, canned. Those tense points didn't come during a war, even the 1962 Missile Crisis didn't happen during any war.

This war is hot. it's on Russia's border. Putin has obliquely threatened the use of nuclear should we, the US and NATO, move against Russia. That's never happened before and it is bad.

In the past there would be constant communications between the parties to avoid killing us all; instead Sleepy Joe is sleeping, it's left to idiots like Blinken who looks like he just took a hit on a bong every time he's in from of a camera, Sullivan who look like they couldn't left 70 lbs without collapsing and mumbles stupid talking points or Lloyd Austin who looks like he wishes he had taken retirement and never joined the dog and pony show. Several of our allies won't take our calls and no one at the Kremlin is picking up either. It's bad, son.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Pfft, tell that to the Vatniks and Putinbros

It's been interesting lurking on Twitter and looking at Pro-Russia accounts, they either don't mention annexing massive parts of Ukraine or are part of the "Ukraine isn't a real country and is rightful Russian clay" camp. Most Pro-Russian accounts aren't really "Annexation won't happen" or "The war is just but annexation isn't".

 

[mindlessobserver]

Nuclear was off the table in Korea, the mere suggestion is what got Douglas MacArthur, a WW2 hero and 5 star, canned. Those tense points didn't come during a war, even the 1962 Missile Crisis didn't happen during any war.

This war is hot. it's on Russia's border. Putin has obliquely threatened the use of nuclear should we, the US and NATO, move against Russia. That's never happened before and it is bad.

In the past there would be constant communications between the parties to avoid killing us all; instead Sleepy Joe is sleeping, it's left to idiots like Blinken who looks like he just took a hit on a bong every time he's in from of a camera, Sullivan who look like they couldn't left 70 lbs without collapsing and mumbles stupid talking points or Lloyd Austin who looks like he wishes he had taken retirement and never joined the dog and pony show. Several of our allies won't take our calls and no one at the Kremlin is picking up either. It's bad, son.

Doesn't help that Putin has fired all his senior intelligence and military officials. The War on the Russian side is now being run by "literally whos"

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Nuclear was off the table in Korea, the mere suggestion is what got Douglas MacArthur, a WW2 hero and 5 star, canned. Those tense points didn't come during a war, even the 1962 Missile Crisis didn't happen during any war.

This war is hot. it's on Russia's border. Putin has obliquely threatened the use of nuclear should we, the US and NATO, move against Russia. That's never happened before and it is bad.

In the past there would be constant communications between the parties to avoid killing us all; instead Sleepy Joe is sleeping, it's left to idiots like Blinken who looks like he just took a hit on a bong every time he's in from of a camera, Sullivan who look like they couldn't left 70 lbs without collapsing and mumbles stupid talking points or Lloyd Austin who looks like he wishes he had taken retirement and never joined the dog and pony show. Several of our allies won't take our calls and no one at the Kremlin is picking up either. It's bad, son.

What do you think would have happened if the troops in Korea got wiped out at Chosin or any other point? You bet your ass we would have dropped a nuke. A nuclear strike was most definitely on the table during the Cuban missile crisis as well. Fuck, what do you think would have happened during the Berlin blockade if Russia started shooting down planes? Nuclear war has ALWAYS been on the table, this isn't some new circumstance. This war is important to a degree, but it's not riskier than past incidents. I'm not saying it's risk free by any means, but stop thinking this is the most dangerous thing ever just because we're alive for it.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

The better option is to go back home with your pension and benefits, buy land or a nice place in a nice town and live the good life among your people, all the while the stupid Germans pay for your retirement.

Which they pay with your own money, since you would've paid into the pension scheme by working in the country for at least 5 years and paying taxes the entire time.

Sure it's a savvy plan, but let's not go full-cope by pretending that we're pulling one over on the wealthy German business owners. They aren't losing out at all.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

In the past there would be constant communications between the parties to avoid killing us all;

Actually, part of what made the Cuban Missile Crisis so dangerous was the lack of communications, a direct line between the Kremlin and D.C. didn't exist yet, so any messages between them took hours at the minimum, that's not even mentioning the Soviet submarine that thought it was being depth charged and hadn't heard anything from Russia in days due to radio silence being enacted, so the two officers required to launch a nuclear warhead voted to launch a nuclear torpedo at a US fleet, but by sheer stroke of luck the submarine in question had the submarine's fleet chief of staff on board, so it needed his approval as well, which he obviously said no to.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the best propaganda poster of the war.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Which they pay with your own money, since you would've paid into the pension scheme by working in the country for at least 5 years and paying taxes the entire time.

Sure it's a savvy plan, but let's not go full-cope by pretending that we're pulling one over on the wealthy German business owners. They aren't losing out at all.

Actually he's right to a degree. That money that's sent home permanently leaves the economy of the origin country, so in a sense there's a degree of "robbery".

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Which they pay with your own money, since you would've paid into the pension scheme by working in the country for at least 5 years and paying taxes the entire time.

Sure it's a savvy plan, but let's not go full-cope by pretending that we're pulling one over on the wealthy German business owners. They aren't losing out at all.

Retard, it's our own own money going out of your tax funds to ours through spending back home. What labor taxes we pay to to you serves as much to us while we are there as to you too. But whatever pension we take home, we take for ourselves from you retards with you holding the check. You are literally loosing tens of millions if not billions every year on us icky poo salve wagers lol
And that's just on the legal end. Boy could I tell you stories about how we fuck you guys in the ass on the illegal side of things. I can you tell you this though. If you ever need to buy construction supplies and they might seem at a high cost, it's in some parts our fault.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

Actually he's right to a degree. That money that's sent home permanently leaves the economy of the origin country, so in a sense there's a degree of "robbery".

Sure, I suppose that's technically true. It seems like a weird flex to be contributing to a foreign country's GDP (or service, or research interests, or whatever it is you end up hired to do) for at least a half-decade, getting paid less than or equal to the value of your labor the entire while, and minus any taxes (which then get paid back to you later in the pension) and then somehow spinning that as them being the losers in the transaction.

But whatever pension we take home, we take for ourselves from you retards with you holding the check.

See above paragraph.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

Regarding Russia's claims about "first phase" and focusing on Donbas, it's hard to say if this is a shift in their goals, or if they're just trying to better spin what they've accomplished while not really changing their objectives.

In general based on what we've seen, at this point I figure that the initial plan Putin had was to invade from the north, east, and south. Seize Kiev with an air attack supported by a blitz that quickly reached the city. Either he'd capture the government or they'd flee or a worse point to organize or outright flee the country. The northern forces would then keep pushing south to the eastern side of the country. Meanwhile troops would push in from Crimea and along the coast east and west supported by air and sea landings. In the west they'd link up with troops in Transnistria, while in the east they'd link up with troops pushing west and along the coast from Donbas. They'd then push north to the east of the Dnieper to link up with the northern forces to encircle Ukraine's army in the east which was the only part of Ukraine's army that Putin didn't think would be routed as easily as happened in 2014. With that encircled Russia could either destroy it or force it to surrender. Depending on how things went in general, either during or after that they'd push in from the north, east, and south to take western Ukraine. With the country under his control Putin then could have proceeded next based on the local and international reactions. In a "Putin gets his wildest dreams" scenario, Ukraine would become part of Russia with about as much of an international shrug as the Taliban retaking Afghanistan received. In more likely scenarios, Putin would install a puppet government that'd agree to disarm and swear neutrality, while Russia would keep the coast and land east of the Dnieper or maybe have some referendums for them to become "independent" republics. His worst case scenario was probably being forced to settle for a demilitarized, regime changed, neutrality pledging Ukraine and recognition of the breakaway republics and Russian ownership of Crimea.

If that was that case, it's technically it's not a bad plan, just ridiculously optimistic. If he'd pulled it off, he wouldn't need to hold the whole country for very long, and he'd have a good deal of flexibility when it came to what he'd keep or not keep. The problem he ran into is that it falls apart when Ukraine's government doesn't crumple with a slight push, the whole army has a decent amount of fight in it, and NATO's willing to provide immense amounts of material support.

So the claims that "the main tasks of the first stage of the operation have been completed" and that they'll "focus the main efforts on achieving the main goal - the liberation of Donbas." on one hand could represent a pull back from their over optimistic goals. That they'll try capture all of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts for the breakaway republics, try and set up breakaway republics or "join Russia" referendums in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts, and pretend that's all they were going for with their "denazification". I'm sure they can come up with enough Azov guys to parade around as proof that nazis were oppressing the region. In this scenario even if Russia can't make Ukraine formally concede territory at the negotiating table, Russia can probably manage a ceasefire that leaves them in defacto control of those oblasts. He'd be hoping that NATO wouldn't be as willing to provide blank check support for Ukraine breaking a ceasefire in an attempt to reclaim conquered territory. Far from ideal for Putin, but it'd let him salvage some face at home while he works on dealing with the sanctions.
On the other hand, those claims could just be a tempering of expectations. That their real goals haven't changed, but they realize they need to consolidate their gains in the southeast and won't be able to make a real move on, much less take Kiev or Odessa any time soon. In which case the announcement just serves as a justification for them not pushing in those areas, so that they don't appear as weak.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Я даже не читаю твои мусорные посты, сука

прими лекарство, шизофреник

What do you think would have happened if the troops in Korea got wiped out at Chosin or any other point? You bet your ass we would have dropped a nuke. A nuclear strike was most definitely on the table during the Cuban missile crisis as well. Fuck, what do you think would have happened during the Berlin blockade if Russia started shooting down planes? Nuclear war has ALWAYS been on the table, this isn't some new circumstance. This war is important to a degree, but it's not riskier than past incidents. I'm not saying it's risk free by any means, but stop thinking this is the most dangerous thing ever just because we're alive for it.

No, the use of nuclear was never authorized, even MacArthur, the only US General who ever had the authority to use nuclear weapons, still asked Truman for permission. He didn't need his permission, mind you, he could have ordered their use on his own authority as a five star general and Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces and CiC of UN command in Korea. MacArthur was not insane or stupid, though, so he asked his CiC first and Truman was so terrified of a nuclear war he asked for MacArthur's resignation, and MacArthur complied (there were other reasons but Truman was scared of Douglas MacArthur).

Why was the Cuban Missile Crisis such a big deal? Because it was. JFK ended up firing Le May and others from the Joint Chiefs who demanded the authority to use nuclear, because the authority to authorize the release of nuclear weapons rests solely with the Commander in Chief, and no one else, as the military is under civilian control. So no, while nuclear is a deterrent and their use is always in the realm of possibility, it has never come this close. No other belligerent possess Russia's nuclear arsenal. None.

eta:

Actually, part of what made the Cuban Missile Crisis so dangerous was the lack of communications, a direct line between the Kremlin and D.C. didn't exist yet, so any messages between them took hours at the minimum, that's not even mentioning the Soviet submarine that thought it was being depth charged and hadn't heard anything from Russia in days due to radio silence being enacted, so the two officers required to launch a nuclear warhead voted to launch a nuclear torpedo at a US fleet, but by sheer stroke of luck the submarine in question had the submarine's fleet chief of staff on board, so it needed his approval as well, which he obviously said no to.

Oh yes, that sub story is fascinating and terrifying, especially since it didn't come out until after the break up. But while sufficiently scary enough to lose bowel control at the thought of what might have been, the US,Russia and Cuba were not at war. As you can see, it was a very serious matter to have nuclear missiles pointed at us from a mere 90 miles away, and I imagine Russia feels the same way about having NATO on its doorstep.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the best propaganda poster of the war.

ow

 

[mindlessobserver]

Regarding Russia's claims about "first phase" and focusing on Donbas, it's hard to say if this is a shift in their goals, or if they're just trying to better spin what they've accomplished while not really changing their objectives.

In general based on what we've seen, at this point I figure that the initial plan Putin had was to invade from the north, east, and south. Seize Kiev with an air attack supported by a blitz that quickly reached the city. Either he'd capture the government or they'd flee or a worse point to organize or outright flee the country. The northern forces would then keep pushing south to the eastern side of the country. Meanwhile troops would push in from Crimea and along the coast east and west supported by air and sea landings. In the west they'd link up with troops in Transnistria, while in the east they'd link up with troops pushing west and along the coast from Donbas. They'd then push north to the east of the Dnieper to link up with the northern forces to encircle Ukraine's army in the east which was the only part of Ukraine's army that Putin didn't think would be routed as easily as happened in 2014. With that encircled Russia could either destroy it or force it to surrender. Depending on how things went in general, either during or after that they'd push in from the north, east, and south to take western Ukraine. With the country under his control Putin then could have proceeded next based on the local and international reactions. In a "Putin gets his wildest dreams" scenario, Ukraine would become part of Russia with about as much of an international shrug as the Taliban retaking Afghanistan received. In more likely scenarios, Putin would install a puppet government that'd agree to disarm and swear neutrality, while Russia would keep the coast and land east of the Dnieper or maybe have some referendums for them to become "independent" republics. His worst case scenario was probably being forced to settle for a demilitarized, regime changed, neutrality pledging Ukraine and recognition of the breakaway republics and Russian ownership of Crimea.

If that was that case, it's technically it's not a bad plan, just ridiculously optimistic. If he'd pulled it off, he wouldn't need to hold the whole country for very long, and he'd have a good deal of flexibility when it came to what he'd keep or not keep. The problem he ran into is that it falls apart when Ukraine's government doesn't crumple with a slight push, the whole army has a decent amount of fight in it, and NATO's willing to provide immense amounts of material support.

So the claims that "the main tasks of the first stage of the operation have been completed" and that they'll "focus the main efforts on achieving the main goal - the liberation of Donbas." on one hand could represent a pull back from their over optimistic goals. That they'll try capture all of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts for the breakaway republics, try and set up breakaway republics or "join Russia" referendums in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts, and pretend that's all they were going for with their "denazification". I'm sure they can come up with enough Azov guys to parade around as proof that nazis were oppressing the region. In this scenario even if Russia can't make Ukraine formally concede territory at the negotiating table, Russia can probably manage a ceasefire that leaves them in defacto control of those oblasts. He'd be hoping that NATO wouldn't be as willing to provide blank check support for Ukraine breaking a ceasefire in an attempt to reclaim conquered territory. Far from ideal for Putin, but it'd let him salvage some face at home while he works on dealing with the sanctions.
On the other hand, those claims could just be a tempering of expectations. That their real goals haven't changed, but they realize they need to consolidate their gains in the southeast and won't be able to make a real move on, much less take Kiev or Odessa any time soon. In which case the announcement just serves as a justification for them not pushing in those areas, so that they don't appear as weak.

Russia sent its best troops into that air assault on Kiev on day 1. Literally flew attack helicopters over the city. They absolutely intended to overthrow the Kiev government. The goal was to seize the entire coast and land east of the Dneiper and create a puppet and land locked rump state like Belarus.

Instead the flower of the Russian Army got shredded by airport security and local gopniks because the idiots in Moscow launched an Air Assault without Air Support! On the capital city no less. As for land locking Ukraine, the transport ships Russia needed to take Odessa got blown up, so yeah. That's going "swimmingly" too.

If this war ends tomorrow it will be as much a "Win" as the Winter War. It's not going to end tomorrow though.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Sure, I suppose that's technically true. It seems like a weird flex to be contributing to a foreign country's GDP (or service, or research interests, or whatever it is you end up hired to do) for at least a half-decade, getting paid less than or equal to the value of your labor the entire while, and minus any taxes (which then get paid back to you later in the pension) and then somehow spinning that as them being the losers in the transaction.

Retard, we don't just contribute, we're literally the only reason your country is running. Have you seen the average 1st world westerner? I am not joking when I say you cannot clean after yourself or are capable of getting your hands dirty without getting some kind of allergic reaction from it.
My point is that while some shitsack bastards think of us lesser races as some kind of slaves, we're literally robbing you dumbasses of your cash in broad daylight. And all you can come up with is, "heh, but the taxes you pay now, get paid back in your pensions", which reminds me of another retard who thinks the government tax machine works efficiently and nobody ever pays excess tax that gets wasted before the transactions done lol

прими лекарство, шизофреник

Ты думаешь повторяйся сам как сломанные часы или твою транз транзлатор капут?

 

[kuuu]

Possible confirmation that the Colonel that got run over didn't make it.
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Please tell me that this piece of "news" at least got a brow raise out of you.
Ghost of Kiev must have held a candle to pass on the story.

for the internet edgelords, there is "cancel culture is coming for our entire country! this is just like when facebook banned you for niggerposting!"

The context I've seen this in so far was rather that the West is shooting itself in the foot. And that we are back to McCarthyism.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Putin even joked about Germany being retarded before.
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Didn't really realize that the German energy retardation had been going on for this long.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

New footage of old kill, if anyone wants a good look at a pancaked Su-30.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Didn't really realize that the German energy retardation had been going on for this long.

It is weird to see Putin so young.