Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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Let's have a little "what if" here, let's say something happens and putin is gone. Is it more likely that someone actually "worse" than Putin takes over? Who would likely fill that void? I have no real idea, i don't know much at all about russia. Isn't someone pulled into that power vacuum bound to be a bit more hostile towards the west, believing that putin was assassinated (doesn't matter if he was or not for the first few weeks/months in power). Wouldn't anyone less hardline against the west than Putin be seen as some puppet installed by the west and likely to be overthrown in short order?
Wouldn't putin dying be sort of a rally cry for Russia to gather around. I know all the polls (yeah, polls in russia are mostly bullshit, i get it) have seemed to have a pretty good approval rating of Putin.

I guess what i'm asking, isn't the devil you know always gonna be better?

And what about Putin going into some bunker, and playing up the idea that he is dead, as a way to smoke out any real usurpers be a good idea?

Biden is fucking retarded for even mentioning this stupid shit.
depends how putin goes. if he dies the prime minister becomes acting president, in this case that would be Mikhail Vladimirovich Mishustin. If he is couped it could be Valery Vasilyevich Gerasimov, the head of the army. Really its up in the air though, as we don't know who in his government would take the opportunity.

Imo if Putin is taken out, Russia will start to look a lot more like Belarus.
 
Its pretty easy to call someone a deserter sitting behind your monitor in ya moms spare room, while legitimately never contributing anything to the world ya geek. ☺
We wouldn't be mocking Vince so badly for deserting if he wasn't zealously supporting Zelensky and all his policies of drafting his countrymen who weren't lucky enough to flee in time. Also fuck any nigger that wants foreigners to fight and die for a corrupt shithole that they wont fight for themselves.
 
I have a feeling that if the Russians feel that it was the west leading to putins removal they may end up putting an ultranationalist type in power. Honestly though, who really knows, Russian power transfers get kind of weird sometimes. I do agree that putin leaving could end up with a worse leader taking his place. Worse for who depends on your perspective.
50 Blessings: Russia edition, now thats kino
 
I hold it very likely that Russia will likely crumble into a dysfunctional state after Putin's passing, and may even break up into its constituent republics ala Yugoslavia if it gets bad enough. Any good leader can only emerge after the dust settles, or possibly formed during that period of intense strife. But yeah, it'd be another bleak decade for Russians.

EDIT: This is also why I'm confused on all the saber-rattling being done by the West. Simply waiting twenty years more would be enough to hang Russia on their own rope of their export oriented economy and rampant corruption. If one were indeed interested in influencing and (re)integrating Russia, that would be the best time to do so.
russia will not go the way of yugoslavia. the russian state is very centralized, very powerful, willing to enforce its territorial integrity by any means necessary, and more than capable of doing so when the need arises. the chechen wars were just the most recent example, if you go back further in time you'll find a long history of the russian state engaging in extremely brutal measures against minority populations in order to secure its power over its territory. this spanned both the tsarist era and the soviet era, and evidently continues into the present day as well.
 
Undersell the west all you want I don't buy into it that we are doing bad, for fuck sakes the most economically egregious thing I witnessed in life was throwing an elaborate pool birthday party for a persons dog with catering and they were not even rich. The fact is we can do what we want and that is what I am arguing we keep not because its morally right but because I am selfish and think of only myself and my friends and family.
Things aren't bad now, though they have been getting worse and worse for years but that's not the point. Things are going to get terrible in the future, Europe's gonna go cold and be on food rations and America's going to lose the reserve currency and all the chickens are going to come home to roost.
 
A Russian wanting to give Stalin a second chance? You're a more forgiving people than I previously thought.
I mean, we desperately need new industrialization and this is pretty much war times. Wouldn't think of a better candidate.
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And capitalism is probably the best economic system ever but its been turned into another elitist crony mess we cant really take advantage of as normal people.

I agree that capitalism is the best economic system, but that's not because of capitalism itself. A country with a capitalist system is a sign that it's people are independent/self-motivated and are naturally distrustful of gov'ts when it comes to getting what they want.

When it comes to what's a good economic system what's not, it's best to take a bottom-up approach.
 
russia will not go the way of yugoslavia. the russian state is very centralized, very powerful, willing to enforce its territorial integrity by any means necessary, and more than capable of doing so when the need arises. the chechen wars were just the most recent example, if you go back further in time you'll find a long history of the russian state engaging in extremely brutal measures against minority populations in order to secure its power over its territory. this spanned both the tsarist era and the soviet era, and evidently continues into the present day as well.
I mean the same can be said about Yugoslavia even post-Tito. It still fell to a brutal civil war in the end.

That said, I will admit Russia did not have the same tinderpile of having Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks being forcibly mashed together. Their core lands of Muscovy and Novorussiya will likely stay loyal (assuming their demography didn't go into utter shite, which it is in danger of doing), and it'd be the outlaying (and least populated) borderlands that would be the most likely to break away.
 
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Let's hope russia is smart enough to realize that this is just potato joe's having a senile grandpa brain fart moment (hopefully)
"The President’s point was that Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbours or the region," the White House official said. "He was not discussing Putin’s power in Russia, or regime change." Said the white house officials.
White House says Biden is not calling for regime change in Russia
Let's be real, we all know what potatoe joe really meant to say :smug: Someone sit grandpa down and give him an icecream, his handlers must be on a break or something.
You gotta remember that Bman not so long ago also told the polacks that they'll see the bravery of the ukranians “when you are there”. And the burger government had to come out again and repeat that they will not send nato or us troops, What we are seeing here is biden coming out to the public, saying retarded shit and then the government coming out and saying "haha actually no we won't please don't nuke us russia :lol:". I don't have the source rn but i remember reading a quite funny statement of the kremlin about how they didn't take biden's insults because he's clearly mentally not there.
As retarded as the us government is, there's atleast some people there who are trying to not escalate things further. But with the president of your nation having this many goofs and blunders, you gotta think for how much longer can they keep it up.
 
A Russian wanting to give Stalin a second chance? You're a more forgiving people than I previously thought.
In recent years Russia has actually warmed up to Stalin, mainly by crediting him with beating the Nazis, despite the fact the Soviets won despite Stalin, who was warned of Operation Barbarossa for months, given accurate time frames of when it would occur, and promptly ignored every single warning. Plus one of the major reasons 1941 was so disastrous was Stalin's interference and because the Red Army had not too long ago been through massive purge, so most officers were utterly incompetent.
 
I have a feeling that if the Russians feel that it was the west leading to putins removal they may end up putting an ultranationalist type in power. Honestly though, who really knows, Russian power transfers get kind of weird sometimes. I do agree that putin leaving could end up with a worse leader taking his place. Worse for who depends on your perspective.
There is more chance of Biden being switched out than Putin.
 
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