Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Suburban Bastard]

He's the cat equivalent of an 18 year old human recruit. Kitteh moms start boot camp young.

I've been prepping them from childhood for this day

 

[mr.moon1488]

How many times has the goalposts of "winning" been moved on Russia's side? To me, someone who hates Globohomo but sees Putin as wanting his own blend of it, I've always been in the camp of "No regime change + Kiev still being the seat of Ukraine's government" so Ukraine stays a country that won't be annexed by Russia later down the line like Belarus will be, being the best-case scenario for them, but now look at it. It's blatantly clear Russia's main objective involved regime change, no matter how much Cope has come from it, there's a reason everyone fucking thought Putin was going for the whole pie in the first week of the war, that he claimed the Government was controlled by Neo-Nazis. Similarly to the "They aren't sending their best" argument, this only popped up after Ukraine started to blunt the advance.

Russia's victory condition has moved from Regime Change that would control all of Ukraine, to annexing the Donbass region, are Russian's making progress, yeah of course they are, but most fronts have become functionally a standstill. This is a Winter War situation, a war that yes Russia technically won, but had to make severe compromises on its peace treaty and much heavier than expected causalities, not to mention their military turning into a laughing stock.

>How many times has the goalposts of "winning" been moved on Russia's side?
lol not once. Random people speculating on the internet about timelines and ultimate political goals are not the same people making military and geopolitical decisions for Russia.

 

[Reddit Gold]

I'm genuinely confused @mr.moon1488 why don't you support Ukies when they have the hottest brand of ugly?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I've been prepping them from childhood for this day

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low effort b8 m8

 

[capefear56]

lol I was more pointing out the lunacy of thinking being under siege means you're winning.

Let me load up my Total War game and lay siege to a fully-garrisoned castle with a 2000-strong peasant army and claim I'm "winning" because my enemy is technically now under siege. The ability to temporarily lay siege to a city says nothing about your ability to maintain it, or carry out an actual assault. There is so much more that goes into assessing the balance of power in a war than "We're attacking! That means we're winning!"

The Wehrmacht broke its back in the Battle of the Bulge; a hopeless last-ditch offensive.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I'm genuinely confused @mr.moon1488 why don't you support Ukies when they have the hottest brand of ugly?
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You didn't see the uki ladies the Russians captured, too uggo to rape they said

 

[Techpriest]

Let me load up my Total War game and lay siege to a fully-garrisoned castle with a 2000-strong peasant army and claim I'm "winning" because my enemy is technically now under siege. The ability to temporarily lay siege to a city says nothing about your ability to maintain it, or carry out an actual assault. There is so much more that goes into assessing the balance of power in a war than "We're attacking! That means we're winning!"

The entire Russian military theory since the damn civil war has been “if we aren’t attacking, we’re losing!”. The cult of the attack has been a principle part of the Russian theory for a long damn time.

 

[Aidan]

It's up to China tbh, Russia has a lot of space, in fact they are the largest country land mass wise. Why do they need Ukraine? They could build up, down, left and right and take this blood and war money to build prospering cities, towns and settlements and work more closely with us "Westerners". If NATO ever pressed Russia unfairly I think the vast majority of people would call it out because this isn't the 1800's it's modern day where we are all interconnected with each other and don't easily buy into propaganda. I am supporting the west because what they are doing is a sloppy invasion that is murdering white babies.

You're stupid and as ignorant as you seem to think everyone else who isn't blatantly pro-Ukrainian/anti-Russian is. I said we shouldn't force Russia to cozy up further to China, they're not best buds. Frankly, no one who works with China is really super eager to do it.

Whatever your post is about has nothing to do with what I said. I don't like ignoring people but you're like the epitome of insufferable westerner high on their own farts and I really want to.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

Didn't Russia have a defense minister that tried to reform/modernize the whole thing, such as adding NCOs, but got removed before he could accomplish it?

Whatever your post is about has nothing to do with what I said. I don't like ignoring people but you're like the epitome of insufferable westerner high on their own farts and I really want to.

lol calm down

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

>How many times has the goalposts of "winning" been moved on Russia's side?
lol not once. Random people speculating on the internet about timelines and ultimate political goals are not the same people making military and geopolitical decisions for Russia.

Oh yeah, totally, it's not like Russian media got busted posting a "victory article" talking about their glorious army overrunning Ukraine in days if not hours. Not like the Russian army itself committed insane amounts of resources towards taking Kiev, no siree.

Nope, they totally only intended to take the rest of Donbas from the start, that's it. They totally didn't fuck up and had to backpedal.

 

[The Wicked Mitch]

It's up to China tbh, Russia has a lot of space, in fact they are the largest country land mass wise. Why do they need Ukraine? They could build up, down, left and right and take this blood and war money to build prospering cities, towns and settlements and work more closely with us "Westerners". If NATO ever pressed Russia unfairly I think the vast majority of people would call it out because this isn't the 1800's it's modern day where we are all interconnected with each other and don't easily buy into propaganda. I am supporting the west because what they are doing is a sloppy invasion that is murdering white babies.

Yo can I have some of that shit you're mainlining?

 

[Techpriest]

Didn't Russia have a defense minister that tried to reform/modernize the whole thing, such as adding NCOs, but got removed before he could accomplish it?

lol calm down

Yes, our favorite wood appreciator replaced him.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Didn't Russia have a defense minister that tried to reform/modernize the whole thing, such as adding NCOs, but got removed before he could accomplish it?

Anatoly Serdyukov. He wasn't perfect in what he was proposing but he wanted to make SOME changes.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

>How many times has the goalposts of "winning" been moved on Russia's side?
lol not once. Random people speculating on the internet about timelines and ultimate political goals are not the same people making military and geopolitical decisions for Russia.

"Your honor, my client may have had the gun pointed at the witness' head with his finger on the trigger, but my client did not say that he was going to kill the witness. Therefore, when he pulled the trigger and the gun malfunctioned, that is not attempted murder."

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

>How many times has the goalposts of "winning" been moved on Russia's side?
lol not once. Random people speculating on the internet about timelines and ultimate political goals are not the same people making military and geopolitical decisions for Russia.

Putin, Summer 2021: Ukraine isn't a real country, Ukrainians are Russians, and is rightful Russian Clay
Putin, February 2022, announcing war on Ukraine: Ukraine is a Neo-Nazi state, the Nazis control the government, and they occupy our lands and are doing Genocide on ethnic Russians
Sure sounds to me Putin wanted to put all of Ukraine firmly under Russian control.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I live in the West, China and Russia has always been a team so its not a big deal if we officiate it. I am not scared of China and definitely not afraid of Russia since they can barely take a second rate country we are proxy warring in. Let them fight let them do their worst we need to secure the democratic future of the white race.

You should be scared of a nation whose ideology (Chinese flavored communism) demands world domination by its very nature, and a nation that keeps making strides toward it with every spy placed among Western corporations and politicians.

I disagree. China is already struggling to contain problems because if Covid and economic downturn, I don't think they have the resources and political capital to take over Sibera. Especially since everyone in Asia become more tense and vigilant of China after this war

They don't need to take it over by force, they just need to do what they do to Russia what they do to Africa. That's been a huge goal of China with the Belt and Road Initiative. To China, Russia is basically a dog. Defense (Russia's nuclear arsenal), utility (resources), and of course food (literally--they want Russia's large food/fertilizer exports--and metaphorically--they want Russian territory). Encircling China with Russia and India as allies would be far better for the Western world's continued survival.

Chinese economic downturn? Temporary setback, just like every other time. The Chinese economy has been declared dead as many times as bitcoin. The only real worry is a few decades in the future when the One Child Policy bites them in the ass, but this is fucking China, they'll just force all the old people to accept China-quality robots for eldercare and they'll still have more 18-35 year olds than the West.

Russia's victory condition has moved from Regime Change that would control all of Ukraine, to annexing the Donbass region, are Russian's making progress, yeah of course they are, but most fronts have become functionally a standstill. This is a Winter War situation, a war that yes Russia technically won, but had to make severe compromises on its peace treaty and much heavier than expected causalities, not to mention their military turning into a laughing stock.

If Putin had a more realistic estimate of his forces' capability and committed to expelling the Ukrainians from Lugansk and Donetsk, I don't think the West would've escalated this into full-scale proxy war. This definitely was a failed gamble on his part, but I can't blame him for trying given how shit the West has been lately i.e. Afghanistan. He still might be able to get a land connection to Crimea out of this though but that's probably not worth all this grief in the long run compared to a more limited goal.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

New photo of Biden in Polack land

 

[Techpriest]

New photo of Biden in Polack land
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God this is some low effort shit

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

"Your honor, my client may have had the gun pointed at the witness' head with his finger on the trigger, but my client did not say that he was going to kill the witness. Therefore, when he pulled the trigger and the gun malfunctioned, that is not attempted murder."

Oh yeah, totally, it's not like Russian media got busted posting a "victory article" talking about their glorious army overrunning Ukraine in days if not hours. Not like the Russian army itself committed insane amounts of resources towards taking Kiev, no siree.

Nope, they totally only intended to take the rest of Donbas from the start, that's it. They totally didn't fuck up and had to backpedal.

Going by his logic, you could make the argument that the US really did attack Iraq because we really did think they had WMDs, and not because the US had a score to settle from Desert Storm and getting some of that sweet, sweet oil.

 

[Disheveled Human]

You're stupid and as ignorant as you seem to think everyone else who isn't blatantly pro-Ukrainian/anti-Russian is. I said we shouldn't force Russia to cozy up further to China, they're not best buds. Frankly, no one who works with China is really super eager to do it.

Whatever your post is about has nothing to do with what I said. I don't like ignoring people but you're like the epitome of insufferable westerner high on their own farts and I really want to.

Shut the fuck up and stop sucking China and Russias cock. They are not super weak pathetic adversaries but they are also not god, we would clap their cheeks if shit went down.