Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Iron Jaguar]

All the civilian death statistics are fake

Maybe not totally fake but probably about as real as the Ukie claimed Russian death toll.

 

[Oxous]

Since Russia is adamant this isn't a war, and haven't officially declared war, do people who surrender even gain POW status?

Even Iraq was willing to take American prisoners while it was being invaded in 2003 so I think the Russians deserve the benefit of the doubt, although they probably do qualify anyways.

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Maybe not totally fake but probably about as real as the Ukie claimed Russian death toll.

Those weren't fake, the Ghost of Kiev really took down all those Russian planes while Harry Potter and the Avengers clapped.

 

[Screamer]

Since Russia is adamant this isn't a war, and haven't officially declared war, do people who surrender even gain POW status?

"International armed conflict" is the standard.

 

[BiggerChungus]

No, but Oryx is about the best available for non-glowies and does their homework. They were on point for the Azeri-Armenian shitshow, and for Afghanistan. If they say (and have the pictures of) 300 captured, abandoned, destroyed, or heavily damaged tanks, I’m inclined to take their numbers seriously.

When both sides are fielding a lot of the same tanks it's hard to know for sure which burning wreck or insignialess abandoned vehicle is Russia or Ukrainian. We've already seen Ukraine outright lying about its own losses claiming them to be Russian, with at least one admitted by their own defense ministry, that MIG that got shot down. There's also been a few weird photos of "dead Russian troops" that have really clean patches on them that look like someone put them there before taking the photos.

I'm not saying Russia's not lost any tanks, but it's pretty weird that when discussing vehicle losses almost every source out there, except Russia's, is assuming every destroyed or abandoned vehicle is Russian. How do they know those 300 tanks were all Russian? How do they know that even the ones with Zs on them aren't just Ukrainians doing it to mask their own losses, something they're on self-admitted record of doing?

 

[Aidan]

And I'm saying that based on the evidence, it's entirely believable that these are artillerymen, and they were in fact, shelling civilian targets. All of the evidence I have seen indicates this is what Russian artillery has been focused on doing for the past week, and Ukraine conducts regular raids on Russian artillery positions when they find them. Mind you, your position is hardly neutral on this as well. You clearly want to believe this is a war crime. It's why you've placed the standard of evidence so high to believe what's being said in the video.

Firstly. lol calm down
Secondly, what evidence? The one video you watched of them being shot?

I've placed the standard of evidence above "bro trust me" and that's it. There's been so many instances of lies in this war special military operation that I think it's safer to assume new stuff is nonsense until proven otherwise.

Regarding shelling civilian targets and the claims of Russia shelling the humanitarian corridors.

• I can believe they shell civilians and know it's a possibility because they're shelling cities. That's part of why Russia sets up the corridors, to get civilians out and if fighters want to slink out, leaving their gear behind, then that's a bonus. It's a hellish tactic but it's tried and true from the Russian perspective.
• The evidence of Russia shelling the humanitarian corridors has been nonexistent and is claimed by the Ukrainian government, who has demonstrably lied about a number of things to date.
  • I personally think it's bogus just because Occam's Razor says that Russia is repeating what they did in Syria, where I'm not aware of any accusations they bombed the very corridor they laid out. They used them a lot and it resulted in millions of Syrians being displaced which is a separate moral issue to lay upon Russia. However, why would they kill civilians leaving when it benefits them? Why change it up now in Ukraine when the world is watching?
  • Who benefits more, Russia bombing their own corridor they said to use or Ukraine from lying about Russian intentionally killing civilians? (rhetorical)
• I've also read a claim that Russia mined a humanitarian corridor which is just retarded. Interestingly there's no actual evidence of this even still.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

its really funny seeing everyone’s essay’s about the war in between pissing and cumming and informative footage

also for some reason jannies need to approve every message I make (

#FreeWhoboy
#ShitpostingIsAHumanRight

#PrayForAssad

 

[Techpriest]

When both sides are fielding a lot of the same tanks it's hard to know for sure which burning wreck or insignialess abandoned vehicle is Russia or Ukrainian. We've already seen Ukraine outright lying about its own losses claiming them to be Russian, with at least one admitted by their own defense ministry, that MIG that got shot down. There's also been a few weird photos of "dead Russian troops" that have really clean patches on them that look like someone put them there before taking the photos.

I'm not saying Russia's not lost any tanks, but it's pretty weird that when discussing vehicle losses almost every source out there, except Russia's, is assuming every destroyed or abandoned vehicle is Russian. How do they know those 300 tanks were all Russian? How do they know that even the ones with Zs on them aren't just Ukrainians doing it to mask their own losses, something they're on self-admitted record of doing?

You can actually, through ERA packages, camo schemes, markings, and models. I understand you’re slow on the uptake, but in general, no, both sides don’t field the same tanks with the same ERA and camo and other upgrades.

For more damaged vehicles, if you can’t distinguish the model itself easily, you can do other inferences, namely geolocation, other destroyed vehicles around it, or what the base model is. If it’s a T-72 then it’s almost certainly Russian as the Ukrainians don’t have many. Seriously, check the list yourself.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

> You don't even think to question and think critically about the propaganda pieces, on both sides
What propaganda? Russia has been basically silent throughout this entire war other than cringy speeches made by Putin which I'd argue are mainly aimed at western audiences given how he focuses on Azov rather than just outright calling Zelenskyy a US puppet. That aside, a lot of the shit Russia has actually said has turned out to be true, whereas basically nothing from the Ukrainian side has turned out to be true (e.g. Russian warship fuck off).

You're wrong, but I understand why you'd think that. This thread really has done a piss-poor job of covering the Russian side of the propaganda war.

 

[BiggerChungus]

You can actually, through ERA packages, camo schemes, markings, and models. I understand you’re slow on the uptake, but in general, no, both sides don’t field the same tanks with the same ERA and camo and other upgrades.

For more damaged vehicles, if you can’t distinguish the model itself easily, you can do other inferences, namely geolocation, other destroyed vehicles around it, or what the base model is. If it’s a T-72 then it’s almost certainly Russian as the Ukrainians don’t have many. Seriously, check the list yourself.

>Oryx
Do you think they're a neutral source?

 

[mr.moon1488]

Still nowhere near as funny as the CNN hole being forced to wear a full burka following the U.S. getting kicked out of Afghan. You'd think it would make them aware of the problems with importing antithetical foreigners into your lands, but no, they remain suicidally tolerant.

Tbh I've always thought it was less suicidal tolerance, and more "we hate the white Christians so much we'll import people who will genocide us in order to btfo them." Some of it has already bit them in the ass as in the case of Leipzig where you fairly regularly see Antifa clashing with the Islamic population there.

 

[Aidan]

You're wrong, but I understand why you'd think that. This thread really has done a piss-poor job of covering the Russian side of the propaganda war.

It is your job to post it, then.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

When both sides are fielding a lot of the same tanks it's hard to know for sure which burning wreck or insignialess abandoned vehicle is Russia or Ukrainian. We've already seen Ukraine outright lying about its own losses claiming them to be Russian, with at least one admitted by their own defense ministry, that MIG that got shot down. There's also been a few weird photos of "dead Russian troops" that have really clean patches on them that look like someone put them there before taking the photos.

I'm not saying Russia's not lost any tanks, but it's pretty weird that when discussing vehicle losses almost every source out there, except Russia's, is assuming every destroyed or abandoned vehicle is Russian. How do they know those 300 tanks were all Russian? How do they know that even the ones with Zs on them aren't just Ukrainians doing it to mask their own losses, something they're on self-admitted record of doing?

The site he's shilling for is actually pretty good about that, they list ukie and Russian losses, and very openly state its not comprehensive, and that losses are higher than what's shown. I've also seen them take down pictures that were duplicates or inaccurate. Also just because both sides use some of the same tanks doesn't mean they both use the same models of those tanks, that's a big tell for which sides equipment it is.

 

[BiggerChungus]

Tbh I've always thought it was less suicidal tolerance, and more "we hate the white Christians so much we'll import people who will genocide us in order to btfo them." Some of it has already bit them in the ass as in the case of Leipzig where you fairly regularly see Antifa clashing with the Islamic population there.

The fanatical hijabis are much easier to manipulate, control, and weaponize than the white Christians.

 

[Techpriest]

>Oryx
Do you think they're a neutral source?
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Not fully but they as Spicey mentioned, they’re intent on making as accurate a list as possible.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Tbh I've always thought it was less suicidal tolerance, and more "we hate the white Christians so much we'll import people who will genocide us in order to btfo them." Some of it has already bit them in the ass as in the case of Leipzig where you fairly regularly see Antifa clashing with the Islamic population there.

Can both groups please lose? Ideally I want a bunch of antifa to unwittingly swarm someone wearing a suicide vest. I also want footage.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Tbh I've always thought it was less suicidal tolerance, and more "we hate the white Christians so much we'll import people who will genocide us in order to btfo them." Some of it has already bit them in the ass as in the case of Leipzig where you fairly regularly see Antifa clashing with the Islamic population there.

Ahh Marxist and Islamist killing eachother, you would think those commie fucks learned that Muslims aren't reliable allies after Iran.

 

[Mr Processor]

> You don't even think to question and think critically about the propaganda pieces, on both sides
What propaganda? Russia has been basically silent throughout this entire war other than cringy speeches made by Putin which I'd argue are mainly aimed at western audiences given how he focuses on Azov rather than just outright calling Zelenskyy a US puppet. That aside, a lot of the shit Russia has actually said has turned out to be true, whereas basically nothing from the Ukrainian side has turned out to be true (e.g. Russian warship fuck off).

Calling Zelinsky a US puppet won't hit in the US, because in the US most people would think, "So? That's good." It might work in some other NATO countries but I'm honestly not sure.

Saying Russia is being cancelled like J. K. Rowling won't hit, because I expect the embattled children's books author has already publicly denounced him and she did. Honestly, this was so inept by Putin it was practically an own goal, the only thing it has going for it is that it is the truth. (But despite being a based transphobe, J. K. Rowling is mostly an evil bitch who wrote some cringe kids books. So she wasn't going to go along with it and is exactly the type to cheer on the meat grinder in Ukraine. Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull throne, or whatever the Harry Potter equivalent is.)

 

[Suburban Bastard]

>Oryx
Do you think they're a neutral source?
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I think anyone neutral feels bad for Ukrainian civilians right now.

You can actually, through ERA packages, camo schemes, markings, and models. I understand you’re slow on the uptake, but in general, no, both sides don’t field the same tanks with the same ERA and camo and other upgrades.

For more damaged vehicles, if you can’t distinguish the model itself easily, you can do other inferences, namely geolocation, other destroyed vehicles around it, or what the base model is. If it’s a T-72 then it’s almost certainly Russian as the Ukrainians don’t have many. Seriously, check the list yourself.

When this whole thing is over, I want a serious count on how many fell over into fucking water, because I have not stopped pondering about how the fuck that happens.

 

[Rezza]

It's not a question of belief it's a classic case of war crimes. Off to the ignorelag.
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You do know putting them on Ignore doesn't magically make them disappear, or make their arguments less true, right?

Since Russia is adamant this isn't a war, and haven't officially declared war, do people who surrender even gain POW status?

Now that you think about it, that is an interesting question.....
God, if Russia still insist it wasn't a war, those POWs are basically left to rot in prison