Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

So what would you have them do exactly?

Not use hospitals and schools as barracks and ammo dumps. Not hide behind civilians.

Not execute EPOWs.

You know, basic rules of land warfare.

 

[Übertroon]

Ever noticed how war crimes is awesome when your side does it and evil when the enemy does it?
How come rape is only fun when your side commits the raping?

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Not use hospitals and schools as barracks and ammo dumps. Not hide behind civilians.

Not execute EPOWs.

You know, basic rules of land warfare.

Expecting those to be followed in an Eastern European shitflinging competition is insanely optimistic. Not that I'm defending it mind you, but they didn't really ever get past the "war must be as brutal as possible" mindset.

 

[Koko Jambo]

This thread is still going?
It has been confirmed since weeks that Russias REAL objective is to capture the krokodil production capacities in the Donbass.

Kiwifarms own Vatnik shill division is already on the ground near Donezk

 

[Aidan]

Ever noticed how war crimes is awesome when your side does it and evil when the enemy does it?
How come rape is only fun when your side commits the raping?
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What are you talking about? If it's something in this thread then quote it.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

This thread is still going?
It has been confirmed since weeks that Russias REAL objective is to capture the krokodil production capacities in the Donbass.

Kiwifarms own Vatnik shill division is already on the ground near Donezk
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I'm now convinced a nuclear war with Russia is unwinnable, even if we hit every city. I don't think a nuke would be able to wipe those guys out, in fact they might just try to recover radioactive material to make better drugs.

 

[kuuu]

For anyone to compare how Russian demands might change with time:

Historical preamble ends at around 20min. 1.5 speed recommended.

 

[St.Davis]

Ever noticed how war crimes is awesome when your side does it and evil when the enemy does it?
How come rape is only fun when your side commits the raping?
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A "War Criminal" is just someone on the losing side that you really didn't like. The Allies weren't tried for their crimes during Nuremberg, only the Axis. (Barring some token exceptions.)

 

[Aidan]

For anyone to compare how Russian demands might change with time:

Historical preamble ends at around 20min.

The thumbnail for this looks like a Netflix show's title card.

 

[St.Davis]

What are you talking about? If it's something in this thread then quote it.

I really would like if the people shouting "Hypocrisy!" would at least support their assertions. It's NPC behaviour.

 

[God of Nothing]

Ever noticed how war crimes is awesome when your side does it and evil when the enemy does it?
How come rape is only fun when your side commits the raping?
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no worries
i'm pretty sure we'll get a rise in that now, practically guaranteed

this is like castration
it didn't happen all that often because men were sensitive about their dicks and knew if they started doing it their enemy would follow suit

 

[Suburban Bastard]

The issue with this line of thinking is that these are two quite disparate things. Regardless of your thoughts on the war, and whether it is justified or not; The Russians must take these cities in order to complete their objectives, and end the conflict.

Ukrainian military units (Primarily niggers like Azov, seemingly.) are occupying the cities, and civilian structures, with no apparent demarcation (Logical, they're basically fortresses.). If some of the stories we've heard are true; they're deliberately attempting to use civilians as some sort of shield. The Ukraine has seemingly not done anywhere near enough to move civilians out of harms' way (As evidenced by their denial of at least one humanitarian ceasefire request from Russia). Russia has broadcast requests for surrender, I should imagine at least partially because they know there are still civilians milling around. I can understand why Ukie units haven't accepted these requests, but if they do refuse, then the Vodka Niggers have to move on to plan B; taking the city by force.

Murdering PoWs takes you no closer to winning the war, and just leads to further deaths with no benefit to anyone.

I haven't really seen anyone enthusiastic about civilian deaths in the same way as people are enthusiastic about the torture and murder of people who are wholly at the mercy of their captors. If Russians were doing the same to Hohol PoWs, or were deliberately shelling humanitarian corridors (Neither of which I've seen actual evidence for, though the former might be believable) then I'd absolutely be saying the same thing about both those troops, and anyone who is legitimately supportive of those actions.

I sympathise with a distaste of hypocrisy, its the reason I'm not exactly sympathetic to The Ukraine (Though obviously I am to their civilians, and broadly to their armed forces... Though not to Azov and similar.).


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Not deny humanitarian ceasefires, and mass-evacuate civilians. The latter isnt exactly a trivial task, but it's what you'd do if you actually cared about their lives.

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I'd have assumed they'd want someone to make a really "mad" reply, if that were their goal. I'm not sure if that's what I've delivered.

Either way, even if I'm giving people a "victory" by making a post admonishing demonic behaviour, I'm afraid I'm going to still keep doing it, so long as people aren't being deliberately disingenuous.

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Of course, but civilians do not.

Withdrawing also ends the conflict, only with less deaths.

 

[Übertroon]

I blame all civilian deaths on Ukrainians as they're refusing to surrender and simply prolonging the conflict.

Withdraw? Are you a fucking nazi or something? Russia will keep fighting until there is no NATO near our lands! Слава России!

 

[Aidan]

The clip of the Ukrainians shooting the Russians in the legs recently dropped in the A&N Megathread. It's interesting to see the stark contrast between here and there.
All reactions are on this page so far.

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Once more who are you talking about? Quote it.

Withdrawing also ends the conflict, only with less deaths.

True but the same can be said for every special military operation, including what's been going on in Donbas over the last 8 years. Ukraine should have just recognized their independence bro./sneed

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

blah blah blah, just try not to have your soul consumed in the process.

nigga, are you for real? Some of us came here to shitpost. Stop hanging all this spiritual baggage on others. It is pure projection, saint. Scoop your own advice.

Either way, even if I'm giving people a "victory" by making a post admonishing demonic behaviour, I'm afraid I'm going to still keep doing it, so long as people aren't being deliberately disingenuous.

He'll do it again!

[britfag spotted through spelling of behavior]

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Withdrawing also ends the conflict, only with less deaths.

While technically correct, it doesn't really work that way. The level of violence really has to reach the point where one or both sides have said "enough is enough, let's end this". It hasn't come remotely close to that for either side yet.

 

[DryRaisin]

I blame all civilian deaths on Ukrainians as they're refusing to surrender and simply prolonging the conflict.

Withdraw? Are you a fucking nazi or something? Russia will keep fighting until there is no NATO near our lands! Слава России!

You are clearly making a strawman argument here, but anyhow.
The question of "should one side concede and agree to all demands" seems out of the window for now. Aka no instant-win for Ukraine nor a Russian withdrawal.

This means that both sides should be acting, like, you know, they are in a war.

There is no reason to deny civilian evacuations in my opinion, even if it is the "evil ruskis" who are proposing them.
And there is also no reason to leave them as is, expecting Russia to withdraw this instant.
In a war you should act accordingly.

You seem to completely miss the evacuation parts, focusing only on big words such as "surrender" and "withdraw".
We are currently stuck in the middle between those two, so I presume countries should focus on that middle-ground a bit more, no?

 

[DumbDude42]

(Barring some token exceptions.)

what exceptions? if i recall correctly, only germans and austrians and their collaborators were tried at nurembers. likewise at the american trials in japan, only japanese and their collaborators were tried.

 

[The best and greatest]

The clip of the Ukrainians shooting the Russians in the legs recently dropped in the A&N Megathread. It's interesting to see the stark contrast between here and there.
All reactions are on this page so far.

Yeah I noticed that too, the cultures between the two threads being very different, this one having a more diverse spectrum of viewpoints surrounding the war but also more shitflinging between posters generally. I kinda like the idea of having two different happening threads tbh.

One for shitflinging and commenting, and the other devoted to news, developments, and media(pictures vids ect)

 

[No. 7 cat]

If Clarence Thomas we’re out and the negress were put in, Pedo Joe would make another run for mandatory workplace jab requirements and would probably win.

They seem to be keeping the COVID stuff on maintenance, so if this all somehow wraps up soon, and another crisis cannot be created, it, there can be variants forever, although only the old and the stupid give it heed.





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Dunno if posted. Doesn't matter. Lord Nool has insulated me from being hit by clocks here.

Some pictures from a reported Ukrainian advance in Sumy oblast, north east of the country. The map showing the area clear isn't too large, but whatever helps a bit towards getting that Commie manlet* out is good. Russia leads the world in HIV and abortion, both of which are marks of despair, the former being a downstream effect of drug abuse, and the economy is overly dependent on exporting unprocessed resources like its high cost oil which is so vulnerable to OPEC or US price fuckery, plus gas which the Germans still buy. It is a source of important goods like nitrogen fertiliser, but that and some other things, are nowhere near enough to raise living standards in a secure way that families form, stay and have children.

*Communism is the same as Christianity according to Putin (interesting blocked everywhere in Europe on Bitchute for Holocaust denial, which is weird, the Russian Pres is talking calmly enough, but I think Bitchute simp for Putin, like they simp for alleged date raper Ethan Ralph, and it just shows that the le based Putin idea is a nonsense. Putin is philo-semitic, leaving aside the unclear or weak evidence that he is possibly Jewish by descent.)

Still I give this this more credibility than the supposedly 'special forces' Kadyrovtsy firing into ruins in Mariupol. If some Avozite or the 36th Naval Infantry Brigade started firing back, or even some babushka with a shotgun, they'd retreat and order a detachment of Russian soldiers to the front or face a whipping.

Yeah they're usually pretty good at the finer details. They probably pushed all Russians back within a 70km radius around Kiyv in an epic push and the Russians abandoned all their gear and shot themselves in the leg to avoid fighting.

While looking to see what distances were reported about this I saw this. Yes they're they're the same all the way through. Good journalism.
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I'm surprised Pravda has a short article on it that's pretty to the point, just quoting the guy who said it.

Pravda really is the whole truth and nothing but the truth! and always has been comrades

Sounds too great a distance. If a zero was shaved off, it would be match what seems to be incremental Ukie advances on a few fronts. Journos are lazy scum who cog off each other, news at 11.