War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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What the fuck is wrong with you? I guarantee you'd be making the exact inverse of this post if the uniforms were reversed.
It's been very interesting seeing this footage make the rounds and how people react to it, people like you have gone mad and don't realize it.
Fuck you, you disingenuous piece of shit. Your farting it up with fellow Putin ball enjoyers about hohols and how they're all stupid in the Happenings thread and now you're on a high fucking horse.

I'd like the soldiers who shot that fella in the leg be prosecuted but where was your fucking outrage when they were shelling civilians, you cunt? Where was your outrage about looting and raping on the occupied territories. But as soon as the Ukrainians do something that clarifies your worldview about them you and other retards start prancing about it "look Ukrainians are the bad guys hurr durr".

Apply the same logic to poor widdle Wussians and then we'll talk.

Fuck you, you piece of filth.

I'm not mad that you're calling out Ukrainians, I'm mad that you're being massive fucking hypocrite.
 
Fuck you, you disingenuous piece of shit. Your farting it up with fellow Putin ball enjoyers about hohols and how they're all stupid in the Happenings thread and now you're on a high fucking horse.

I'd like the soldiers who shot that fella in the leg be prosecuted but where was your fucking outrage when they were shelling civilians, you cunt? Where was your outrage about looting and raping on the occupied territories. But as soon as the Ukrainians do something that clarifies your worldview about them you and other retards start prancing about it "look Ukrainians are the bad guys hurr durr".

Apply the same logic to poor widdle Wussians and then we'll talk.

Fuck you, you piece of filth.

I'm not mad that you're calling out Ukrainians, I'm mad that you're being massive fucking hypocrite.
I'm not being disingenuous but you are right now with this post. I'm not pro-Russian but not being explicitly pro-Ukrainian is perceived that way and it's wild. I've even said in the Happenings thread that I expect Russians have done similarly fucked up shit but it isn't recorded on top of them having more accountability because, as fucked up as they are, they are still a professional military who have clearly been told not to do these things.

Go quote any pro-Russian post of mine or any hypocritical post before making that claim again.
 
I'm gonna be controversial here and say shooting any prisoner is messed up. It's brave, I know, but this is the cross I was meant to bear. Also, some black people and jews are cool, I guess. Also the Witcher series of games were bad and boring.
That explains why I've never gotten beyond chapter 2 of the 1st one.
 
Its interesting to see people acting as if the West's standard of warfare is the same as everyone elses' yet again.

Do remember, we've not really seen a "proper" war over on our side of the world for 40 years nearly. Indeed everyone was shocked when stuff like Abu Ghraib happened which is fucking tame in the Ladybirds Big Book of Warfare scheme of things and even tame compared to most shitty Middle eastern prisons.

Ukies and Russians are now in an active hatred for eachother, and the artillerymen have been shelling very obviously civillian areas ("Coz Azov maight be der") for the better part of two weeks.

Fuck all will come of it and most people will quite rightly, and unironically, say "serves them right".
 
Its interesting to see people acting as if the West's standard of warfare is the same as everyone elses' yet again.

Do remember, we've not really seen a "proper" war over on our side of the world for 40 years nearly. Indeed everyone was shocked when stuff like Abu Ghraib happened which is fucking tame in the Ladybirds Big Book of Warfare scheme of things and even tame compared to most shitty Middle eastern prisons.

Ukies and Russians are now in an active hatred for eachother, and the artillerymen have been shelling very obviously civillian areas ("Coz Azov maight be der") for the better part of two weeks.

Fuck all will come of it and most people will quite rightly, and unironically, say "serves them right".
While I understand the feelings, the proof of how evil those russkies are is just the Ukrainians saying they're arty guys. I'd take it with a grain of salt and said as much in the other thread. They could be right or wrong but we know even less.
If a clip comes up later of Russians doing the same thing to captured Ukrainian soldiers I wouldn't be surprised. Eye for an eye 'n all.
 
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Putin wants ‘Korean scenario’ for Ukraine, says intelligence chief (archive)

Ukrainian general says Moscow unable to ‘swallow’ country but faces guerrilla warfare if it tries to divide it


Vladimir Putin wants to split Ukraine into two, emulating the post-war division between North and South Korea, the invaded country’s military intelligence chief has said.

Gen Kyrylo Budanov, who predicted Russia’s invasion as far back as November, said Moscow had been unable to “swallow” the country but faced guerrilla warfare should it seek to split it.


His warning came as Leonid Pasechnik, the leader of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic in the contested Donbas region in the east, said he may stage a referendum on his territory becoming part of Russia.

“I think that in the near future a referendum will be held on the territory of the republic, during which the people will… … express their opinion on joining the Russian Federation,” Pasechnik said.

Russia’s president recognised the two such eastern self-proclaimed republics of Luhansk and Donetsk shortly before the start of the war. He launched his so-called “special military operation” on 24 February, claiming that he was acting in defence of its people.

Budanov said he believed that Putin had wanted to take over the whole of Ukraine but has changed his plan since failing to take its capital, Kyiv, and overthrow Volodomyr Zelenskiy’s government in the early days of the war.

Saturday’s missile attacks on Lviv, in the west of Ukraine close to the Polish border, are being seen as a message of defiance to the US president, Joe Biden, who was speaking in neighbouring Poland, and an attempt to hit Ukrainian fuel and military hardware supplies.

The two targets of the attacks, after which black smoke billowed across Lviv’s historic horizon of steeples and domed cathedral, were a fuel depot and a factory used for repairing tanks, anti-aircraft systems and radar stations. Both were close to apartment blocks and only a mile from the Unesco world heritage protected city centre.

One witness, Dmitry Leonov, 36, an IT worker, said the ground shook and people had been thrown to the ground by the force of the blasts at the tank factory. The windows of a local school were said to have been smashed by the force.

The Lviv emergency services chief, Khrystyna Avdyeyeva, said the fire at the fuel depot had been finally put out after 13 hours at 6.49am on Sunday. “The boys have been through hell,” she said.

Of those responsible for launching the missiles, which came from Crimea, up to 1,000 miles away, she said: “Let them burn in the same hell. But our heroes will not be there, so nobody will survive.”

Budanov said he was convinced the Russian president was seeking to split Ukraine despite the attack in the west, only the third major assault there since the war began.

He said: “Putin is already changing the main operational directions – towards the south and the east. There is reason to believe that he is considering a “Korean scenario” for Ukraine.

“That is trying to impose a dividing line between the unoccupied and occupied regions of our country. In fact, it is an attempt to create North and South Korea in Ukraine. After all, he is definitely not able to swallow the entire country.”

Russia has been bogged down in the besieged port city of Mariupol in its attempts to create a land corridor between Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed in 2014, and the Donbas region.

Budanov said he did not believe Mariupol would fall soon and that Russian troops would face guerrilla tactics even if it did manage to defeat the experienced Azov battalion in the flattened city.

He said: “The occupiers will try to unite the occupied territories into a single quasi-state entity, which will oppose independent Ukraine. We are already seeing attempts to create ‘parallel’ authorities in the occupied territories and force people to give up the hryvnia [Ukraine’s national currency].

“They may want to bargain at the international level. However, the resistance and protests of our citizens on the occupied territories, counter-attacks by the armed forces and gradual liberation – significantly complicate the implementation of enemy’s plans.

“In addition, the season of total Ukrainian guerrilla safari will soon begin. Then there will be one relevant scenario left for the Russians – how to survive.”

Oleksii Arestovych, an adviser to Zelenskiy, echoed the intelligence chief’s analysis. “Within a week or two, Russia will withdraw troops from Kyiv and Kharkiv regions and send them to Donbas”, he said.

“They realised that they will not be able to take over the big cities, they will announce the completion of the first phase of the ‘special operation’ and the beginning of the second – the ‘liberation of Donbas’.”

Arestovych continued: “They now have three tasks: to surround our troops in Donbas, to completely occupy Mariupol and the south. If they lose Kherson [a city west of Mariupol], their entire Mariupol occupation will collapse. And that’s all. There will be no capture of Kyiv, Kharkiv or Odesa.”

Elsewhere, in Kharkiv the authorities reported 44 artillery strikes and 140 rocket assaults in a single day, including on a nuclear research facility. In Kyiv, the authorities warned that Russians were increasingly disguising themselves as civilians to engage in sabotage.


Very important part here:
Budanov said he believed that Putin had wanted to take over the whole of Ukraine but has changed his plan since failing to take its capital, Kyiv, and overthrow Volodomyr Zelenskiy’s government in the early days of the war.
 
People defending their homeland from an invading aggressor aren't angels. News at 11.

1. Is there a proof that people in Ukrainian uniforms are are actually Ukrainians? ... because a good number of sabotage groups have done just that and been caught. There were Russians in both police uniforms and hijacked ambulance that were caught.

2. After WWII, 1/4 of all NKVD forces were in West Ukraine trying to clean up resistance group. SOP was to create small wandering squads dressed as Ukrainian nationalists and seek actual nationalist groups plus terrorize the fuck out of civvies.

3. Chechen war SOP for captured Russians were: if you were conscript against your will, you go to POWs, if you were a contractor, you got your throat slit (lots of videos to that regard)


IMHO, this may be Mariupol Uki troops. They won't get any mercy when city falls and they know it. They have no capacity to hold prisoners. A wounded enemy soldier is a liability to his comrades and simply letting them go means they will re-join fight tomorrow. I don't see an issue here.
 
Look, I get this shit is bad. I feel really bad for some of those guys in the videos as they seem like they might not have much time left and there's nothing scarier in this world than knowing you have not much time left and some of those boys in the videos look younger than me.

But in this case, I agree with a lot of people on the threads that at this point the War doesn't have any further limits to break, Russians had been doing a lot of horrible stuff that has no justification and they have invaded a country that has done nothing to them, they could have taken those other two lands they supposedly wanted to de-Nazification and just leave, but at this point, Russia has pushed way too far, brother.

I don't approve of the war crimes committed against Russians in the horrible videos you passed, but I think both sides are victims to the whims of Putin and I really can't blame Ukrainians for being angered enough to do this kind of stuff on the people that invaded them even if the anger shouldn't be directed at the Russian Soldiers that are forced to do this but rather to the person that forced them into this situation.

I just hope at least some of those Russian Boys that were shot in the legs at least can return home safely. Nobody deserves to die in a warzone.
 
While I understand the feelings, the proof of how evil those russkies are is just the Ukrainians saying they're arty guys. I'd take it with a grain of salt and said as much in the other thread. They could be right or wrong but we know even less.
If a clip comes up later of Russians doing the same thing to captured Ukrainian soldiers I wouldn't be surprised. Eye for an eye 'n all.
Fact of the matter is that they could've just killed them but chose not to. They could've shot them in the gut to be cruel but chose not to. They chose to shoot them in the kneecap to prevent them from being used against themselves in the future. That shows rationale and restraint.

What they intend on doing with these new POWs they have is up for speculation but impossible to tell, I can only speculate from what they did and didn't do, they're probably going to negotiate for a hostage swap.
 
You know, someone on the other thread pointed out something interesting about this. Since Russia claimed this is just "special operation" and not a war, can the captured Russian be treated as POWs in the first place?
It's literally the third sentence in the Geneva Convention on the treatment of POWs:

In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peacetime, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.

If they can't, the Ukrainian have the right to do as they please on these soldiers
No, you still don't have the right to summarily execute (i.e. murder) people. You don't have the right to commit aggravated assault and maim them either--though from what little I saw of the video, I don't think these guys are going to survive their injuries, so I'm tentatively calling it murder.

Also, apparently these Russians are artillerymen. Didn't the Ukrainian said they will give no quarter to them?
That's also a war crime and against Ukraine's military rules:

Ukraine’s IHL Manual (2004) states:
1.3.2. The following methods of warfare shall be prohibited: … ordering that there shall be no survivors, to threaten an adversary therewith.

1.8.5. Serious violations of international humanitarian law directed against people include: … declaring that no quarter will be given.


I like Ukraine, but we don't have to rationalize war crimes and we should condemn the individuals and units that commit them. (I am not convinced these crimes are a result of national policy, unless maybe John Yoo has been doing some freelance legal writing for Zelensky.)
 
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